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post #106 of 135

For the hell of it i took out the stock power cord and used a Pangea AC9.  Overkill is the right word here.  But what you know is that it actually easier to listen to.  It has better control of sound.  Instruments seem to flow with more body and vocals are clearer.  Hmmm nice unexpected upgrade.  This is still with the stock GE tubes.  It seems the Valvo 9622 are taking forever to get here. 

post #107 of 135

I've ended up with the Lyr. Well, my K 702 has less than 20 hours on them and the Lyr is new so even though I enjoy the treble and the precise separation of instruments. some of the tracks the vocal is kind of sibilance, not all but some track, Diana Krall does not sound like DK herself. I am not heavily into burn-in stuff but to certain degree so I will keep on playing the same few CDs until my 702 is fully burn-in ( 100 hours or so as they said).  The K 702 is the most transparent cans I have heard and that what I like. As far as the Lyr, I wish I could have a better lust and seductive mid range since I listen mostly to vocal music.

 

Maybe, I will get the Vahalla for my Senn cans for vocal and keep the Lyr  for the AKG for instrumental music.

post #108 of 135
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Originally Posted by Neogeo333 View Post

I have some GE that came with the Lyr pop it on and cant see from the outside.  I left it on for a 5 hour warm up before using HD650 and LCD2.  I come from a Bottlehead Crack and mainly use my HD650 and Beyer 990.  The 650 sounds magical with the Crack but not so much with the Lyr.  Thats why I believe its better match with lower impedance cans than higher ones. 

Ready for some tubes rolling, I guess.
 

 



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Originally Posted by Neogeo333 View Post

For the hell of it i took out the stock power cord and used a Pangea AC9.  Overkill is the right word here.  But what you know is that it actually easier to listen to.  It has better control of sound.  Instruments seem to flow with more body and vocals are clearer.  Hmmm nice unexpected upgrade.  This is still with the stock GE tubes.  It seems the Valvo 9622 are taking forever to get here. 


Tell me in a week or so if the change in the tonal of your music is better or worse. Many moons ago, I tried the PS Audio Prelude or Statement power cord on my amp. The first impression was WOW. Such a clear detail and airy HF but after a week later, it turned smooth and darker. I posted on Audigon pisiing off at PS audio schiit, there were couple guys also had the same experience.  I heard about the Pangea from Audio Advisor...so keep me posted.

 

post #109 of 135

Hopefully the Valvo can save me from selling the Lyr.  Its that coming from a HD650/Crack combo this is just not cutting it for me.  I expected more.  Im gonna keep listening for a while and like you said if it sounds different later i'll post about it. 

post #110 of 135

 

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I've ended up with the Lyr. Well, my K 702 has less than 20 hours on them and the Lyr is new so even though I enjoy the treble and the precise separation of instruments. some of the tracks the vocal is kind of sibilance, not all but some track, Diana Krall does not sound like DK herself. I am not heavily into burn-in stuff but to certain degree so I will keep on playing the same few CDs until my 702 is fully burn-in ( 100 hours or so as they said).  The K 702 is the most transparent cans I have heard and that what I like. As far as the Lyr, I wish I could have a better lust and seductive mid range since I listen mostly to vocal music.

 

Maybe, I will get the Vahalla for my Senn cans for vocal and keep the Lyr  for the AKG for instrumental music.

 

One thing that's definitely true about the stock Lyr tubes is that they're surprisingly transparent.  K702 isn't known for seductive mids the way HD650s or LCD2s are.  You're just hearing your headphones in a neutral capacity (all things including DAC being equal.)  Thankfully if you dislike it, Lyr supposedly takes well to tube rolling (I haven't tried it yet as I'm quite pleased with the stock tubes on my cans.)

 

The sibilance....remember that both tubes and cans do really benefit from burn-in.  A combination of new tubes and new cans at the same time sounds positively painful wink.gif  Tubes are tubes....that's always been true.  And cans have moving parts and new materials that need a bit of stretching and flexing to settle into spec.  How can you seriously believe in power cable differences but not believe much in burn-in? There's less mysticism around burn-in than cables, mechanical moving parts change as they flex, there's no mystery behind that. (I'm not anti-cable, but in order of priorities, I'd place it last.  The difference from a cable should always be less notable than a similarly priced major hardware change, at least at this level.)

 

Still, if you're looking for seductive smooth mids, you can always get the Russian Valhalla tubes for Lyr as a start....those are supposedly smoother in the mids.  K702's aren't known for that signature....but at least they're not DT880s biggrin.gif

post #111 of 135

I guess just like in 2 channel audio , you cannot get all-in-one box solution. Transparency and seductive are not in the same sentence.

 

Even in tube amp, Cary , Manley and Rogue have different sound signature. I like the K702 and appreciate its transparency and should I say accurate reproducing what the upstreame signal being fed through  them. 

 

All in all ,the K702 and the Lyr still represent a very good value and they are above the norm products. Good recording will sound good and bad recording will not sound good. I do not blame the hard ware be it amp or cans.

 

The burn-in process is time consuming and painful sometime but as they say " no pain, no gain".

 

Thank you for the words of encouragement.

post #112 of 135
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Originally Posted by ACDOAN View Post

I guess just like in 2 channel audio , you cannot get all-in-one box solution. Transparency and seductive are not in the same sentence.

 

Even in tube amp, Cary , Manley and Rogue have different sound signature. I like the K702 and appreciate its transparency and should I say accurate reproducing what the upstreame signal being fed through  them. 

 

All in all ,the K702 and the Lyr still represent a very good value and they are above the norm products. Good recording will sound good and bad recording will not sound good. I do not blame the hard ware be it amp or cans.

 

The burn-in process is time consuming and painful sometime but as they say " no pain, no gain".

 

Thank you for the words of encouragement.

 

Just burn it in with the headphones on your head. I dont get into burn in much but there is no doubt that the tubes need to run a while before they settle down.
 

 

post #113 of 135
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Originally Posted by ACDOAN View Post

I guess just like in 2 channel audio , you cannot get all-in-one box solution. Transparency and seductive are not in the same sentence.

 

Even in tube amp, Cary , Manley and Rogue have different sound signature. I like the K702 and appreciate its transparency and should I say accurate reproducing what the upstreame signal being fed through  them. 

 

All in all ,the K702 and the Lyr still represent a very good value and they are above the norm products. Good recording will sound good and bad recording will not sound good. I do not blame the hard ware be it amp or cans.

 

The burn-in process is time consuming and painful sometime but as they say " no pain, no gain".

 

Thank you for the words of encouragement.



That's why you need several gear setups!  What god would H-F be if it didn't encourage you to buy endless new gear? tongue.gif

 

K702 is a very appealing can....I've often considered complimenting my HD650 with either K702 or DT880 (880 being "bright" 702 being "neutral" and 650 being "warm")   Part of me considers making the complimentary gear go upward someday....HE5, 6, LCD2, HD800, HD700 etc.   But honestly I'm content enough to hold off any upgrades for a while.  But the trifecto of the old flagships (HD650/600, K701/702, DT880(250/600)) is still a great category and I think all three will be legends.  It's funny, when I started lurking H-F, those three were basically the best cans money could buy unless you considered those crazy $10,000 Orpheus class cans.  Now people talk about them as "mid tier" as though they're not as good as they used to be (sure, better now exists...at triple the price point.)

 

I'd say the Lyr with stock tubes with Bifrost (in terms of my setup) is either true neutral, or slightly bright.  That could be edging the K702 into slightly over-bright territory.  Though keep in mind even the mighty HE5 orthos have some sibilance issues going on at least for a while.  I find that my HD650s approach true neutral with the Lyr which is what makes me think it could be slightly bright as delivered...it brightens the warm cans a bit.  Thankfully the ability to tube roll is part of what you paid for.  There's endless great reviews in the Lyr tube rolling thread on all sorts of tubes ranging from cheap to more expensive than Lyr.  

 

On the cheap side, from most reports the 6N1Ps are definitely more of what you're looking for...the more lush mids, more rolled off highs, etc.  It's the same tubes as Valhalla.

 

Or you can get a second pair of cans to go with your 6BZ7s for two different sounds on one amp wink.gif

post #114 of 135

Did you get the chance to try your new Audeze LCD 2 with the Matrix M? My LCD2 is on order and I am seriously considering the Matrix....but if it isn't that good, will go for a Lyr.

post #115 of 135

I believe the Lyr got more power than that Matrix and i mean lots more.  Of those two I take the Lyr hands down.  The LCD just love the higher power amps.

post #116 of 135


 

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Originally Posted by IEMCrazy View Post



That's why you need several gear setups!  What god would H-F be if it didn't encourage you to buy endless new gear? tongue.gif

 

K702 is a very appealing can....I've often considered complimenting my HD650 with either K702 or DT880 (880 being "bright" 702 being "neutral" and 650 being "warm")   Part of me considers making the complimentary gear go upward someday....HE5, 6, LCD2, HD800, HD700 etc.   But honestly I'm content enough to hold off any upgrades for a while.  But the trifecto of the old flagships (HD650/600, K701/702, DT880(250/600)) is still a great category and I think all three will be legends.  It's funny, when I started lurking H-F, those three were basically the best cans money could buy unless you considered those crazy $10,000 Orpheus class cans.  Now people talk about them as "mid tier" as though they're not as good as they used to be (sure, better now exists...at triple the price point.)

 

I'd say the Lyr with stock tubes with Bifrost (in terms of my setup) is either true neutral, or slightly bright.  That could be edging the K702 into slightly over-bright territory.  Though keep in mind even the mighty HE5 orthos have some sibilance issues going on at least for a while.  I find that my HD650s approach true neutral with the Lyr which is what makes me think it could be slightly bright as delivered...it brightens the warm cans a bit.  Thankfully the ability to tube roll is part of what you paid for.  There's endless great reviews in the Lyr tube rolling thread on all sorts of tubes ranging from cheap to more expensive than Lyr.  

 

On the cheap side, from most reports the 6N1Ps are definitely more of what you're looking for...the more lush mids, more rolled off highs, etc.  It's the same tubes as Valhalla.

 

Or you can get a second pair of cans to go with your 6BZ7s for two different sounds on one amp wink.gif


I changed my set up with the Sen HD598 ( too bad I have sold my HD600/HD650) using the IMac USB port running thru the AudioEngine D1 ( as DAC) and the RCA analog out to the Lyr....Oh man! this is the transparency I am looking for. Vocal is not seductive or lust but  extremely clean, clear and a bit forward but that to my liking.

Treble is just WOW....I parked the volume knob between 9 to 10 o'clock and there are plenty of power.

 

Man is greedy by nature so I ask you guys who have run the Audiengine D1 and the Bifrost side by side with the Lyr if you guys see any vast improvement or just a subtle improvement. Love to have a matching Bifrost but if I do not have swing another $400.00 or so, I may keep my current set up.

 


Edited by ACDOAN - 2/21/12 at 7:51am
post #117 of 135

You've heard both combinations? LCD2 with Matrix and with Lyr...or just speculating?

post #118 of 135
I've only try the matrix witha HD650 and denon d2000. It was at my friend house. Maybe later when I go to his place I try it with the LCD.
post #119 of 135

Reporting back with Lyr and Valvo E88CC.  After a 3 hour warm up these tubes compared to the stock GE have more low freq. control.  The bass from the GE sounded muddy and these have tighter control.  Mids seems equal and highs are bit more transparent.  Overall better than stock GE only hope it gets better with burn-in.  This Lyr+Valvo+LCD2 is getting closer to my old reference of HD650 and Crack with 5998 and 12bh7.  

post #120 of 135

Well. I'm using my Lyr for more than 4 months with HD800. And I don't have any cause to sell it and to buy more high-class (and more expensive) headphone amp.

Two months ago I have bought a pair of Philips E88CC. And they made Lyr's sound much better.

 

And I also heard HD800 with Valhalla. Although it sounded good, it wasn't as good as Lyr (with just 6BZ7 tubes, which are far from what Philips shows). Lyr has better transparency, wider soundstage, richer detail and airier heights. And Valhalla doesn't have any spare power, while Lyr feels good with HD800 at less than half of volume.

 

Yes, there is quite low-frequency hum if you turn off music. But it is not important for me, because HD800 are not very sensitive to hear this hum clear enough.

 

All in all, Lyr is a good choice for HD800 for it's price. In the sequel you can change tubes and make it sound better.


Edited by dubselect - 3/12/12 at 8:46am
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