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post #1786 of 2077

I'm not all that savvy with how to pick up on issues in headphones (like the muddy bass mentioned by someone on here). I just got my FA011's, they certainly sound different to my old headset, in alot of ways. Is there a good song or something to test with?

 

Thanks guys

post #1787 of 2077
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Originally Posted by archie09 View Post

I'm not all that savvy with how to pick up on issues in headphones (like the muddy bass mentioned by someone on here). I just got my FA011's, they certainly sound different to my old headset, in alot of ways. Is there a good song or something to test with?

Thanks guys

the issues are mostly about physical problems with the headphones such as broken engraving plate, chipped wood, and etc. there was a batch that had issues but hasn't come up in a while. Those individuals may benefit from this RMA program =D
post #1788 of 2077

Could I clarify (I just finished reading through this whole thread), that one of the 'bad' batches was the dark/black wood with the straight cable? With extra painful highs and poorer quality bass?

post #1789 of 2077

I suppose you are correct. I am a recipient of this 'infamous' batch if you will, and I am going for RMA.  Now I dont know whether they will send me the Natural wood ones or the red ones. Have sent a mail to GD audio about this.

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Originally Posted by avoshake View Post

Could I clarify (I just finished reading through this whole thread), that one of the 'bad' batches was the dark/black wood with the straight cable? With extra painful highs and poorer quality bass?

post #1790 of 2077

Hey gang..

 

My FA-011 from GD_Audiobase finally arrived today.  Only took a little over two months of waiting from the day I paid rolleyes.gif.

 

I was a little fed up with the lack of communication from GD-A (after incessant pestering, only update many of us got was an email from Dmitry saying they were very delayed.. and that was probably coaxed out due to FA putting pressure on GD-A).. so initiated a refund through MoneyBookers about two weeks ago.  Literally 20 minutes after Moneybookers got that email, I get an email from Dimitry/GD-A stating my phones had shipped cool.gif.  A few days prior to this is when FA told prospective buyers not to order through GD-A & that the FA-011 was discontinued and being revised.  That advisory too late for many of us who had already placed orders.. so despite getting a shipment email from GD-A, I decided I would keep my MoneyBookers refund request open until (or if) I actually received the phones.  After hearing about the revised FA-011 & getting the shipment email, I asked GD-A if I would be receiving the revised FA-011 or the old one.  Dmitry confirmed I would be receiving the revised version normal_smile%20.gif.

 

Enough retrospective.. these beauties arrived today.  They left the GD-A office on 7/12 and left Russia on 7/18.. I used track-trace.com to track them in Russia & was able to use the same # at USPS.com on 7/25, presumably when they hit US shores (to trace them domestically).

 

I had the original FA-011 (deep, cherry red cups, solid build quality, and a coiled cable) when it was released.. I sold it and missed their sound so ordered them again.  I'm quite positive I got the new, revised version too (pics coming soon) as the build issues I've read about (subsequent versions after the original) seem all resolved.  No scratches on the metal plate, joints look very well soldered, and the innards simply look cleaner.  Here's the kicker that I'm sure everyone has been waiting to hear about:

 

NEW PADS!

That's right folks!  Same comfy, fabric texture.. but they're, finally DEEPER!  Oh happy day! etysmile.gif

 

Your ears are no longer jammed against the cups.. there's a good cm thickness (or more) to buffer the cups away from the ears.. but no so far as to ruin the fq response.  Bottom line, I think everyone will be very happy with this oh-so-important touch.  As much as I loved the dark cherry wood, I like this natural wood color even more.  It simply looks beautiful and well manufactured.  Again, I didn't really have any QC control issues with my original FA-011.. obviously there were plenty in the revisions that followed (and that I closely kept track of, despite selling the phones).  I do get the sense these cups might be smaller than the original cups smaller in some way.  They remain circumaural, but going off of (distant) memory, the new FA-011 seems noticeably lighter and smaller than the original I owned nearly a year ago.  It could just be my memory failing me but regardless, I'd like to get confirmation from those who might have both versions, side by side, eventually.

 

Regardless, they sound fantastic (as I remembered).  It's been quite some time since I listened to the original.. but the FA-011 signature is unmistakable.. and I hear it faithfully preserved in the new FA-011.  If anything, it sounds a little cleaner straight out of my iPhone.  I will be driving it from my various sources and amps soon, though.. which is when they really shine.

 

I'll have pics & more impressions soon.. but for those who recently ordered and are awaiting delivery.. sit tight, they're fabulous!

post #1791 of 2077

One thing I wanted to add.. and this was in comparison to the original FA-011.. the revised version I'm listening to now sounds really good right out of the box.  While the original version I had sounded good too.. I faintly remember it being noticeably more loose in the bass and treble was borderline unbearably sharp, ootb.  They eventually settled down.. but it took some time.  The revised version sound impressively balanced to my ears.. not neutral of course.. but balanced in the symmetrical sense.. the u-shaped curve seems less emphasized at the edges, the bass is very tight & punchy.. while the treble is impressively smooth with ample sparkle being preserved.. which makes the FA-011 so special.  The lovely, signature FA-011 midrange is there in all it's addictive glory, too.

 

Now listening with the "Very Best of Lee Ritenour" with my ODAC & Neco amp.. man, what a lovely combo!  I forgot how well these improve with better gear and just how finely they resolve.  The soundstage is fantastic.  As we all know, ably sourcing & amping the FA-011 is where it's at.

 

I sold these off once only to buy them again.. this time around, they're definite keepers!


Edited by FlySweep - 7/27/12 at 7:42pm
post #1792 of 2077

I just wanted to add that for anyone curious, GD Audiobase is now accepting Paypal. The price also rose by 12 dollars on the FA-011. I just placed my order. There's also no fedex option anymore.. oh well.

post #1793 of 2077

Wheres the pictures of the revised headphones?

post #1794 of 2077
I just received my FA-011's today and they appear to be the new revised edition. I'm not entirely sure of this, however. The pads are ~12mm deep, the foam rings line up properly, and there is a small pcb labeled APE-02S in lieu of the previous deadbug wired parts. Natural finish. Fischer Audio carry case included. Short straight cable with long extension. I was worried I wouldn't be receiving these as I ordered from GD-Audiobase without seeing the more recent reviews, but I received my package 2 weeks and 3 days after ordering on the East Coast US. Not bad. I actually had quick replies via email, although Dmitry wasn't able to track down my correct tracking number.
 
They haven't burned in yet so I reserve judgement on sound quality, but here's my initial impression. The bass is definitely there which is nice compared to my AD700's bass anemia, but lacks the punch I'd like. It seems somewhat boomy. The mids are a bit drowned out and seem dull and muddy. The highs are nice though, if a bit overpowering at times. Nowhere near the soundstage of the AD700. However, there may be a reason for this.
 
A few issues. If these are in fact the new version, the build quality is still lacking. I received two slightly different cups. The color is entirely different on each and one is somewhat larger than the other. The woodworking is less than perfection, with one cup flailing about and the other sticking in place. Also, I imagine the drivers are supposed to be angled like the AD700's so that the rear of each driver is angled outward, further from the head. My left side is angled exactly opposite of this, while the right is angled downward and to the rear. I'll include some pictures. It appears they use a jig to line up the mounting holes for the plastic driver housing (as evidenced by the extra set of screw holes) and perhaps another for the mounting holes for the headband (or none at all), eyeballing the alignment (or in my set's case willynilly drilling holes anywhere one pleases). I'll stop whining and show ya some awesome iPhone quality pictures.
 
 

700

Mismatched cups, heh.

 

700

Difficult to see, but the line where the faux leather ends is about half the depth of the earpad.

Also note properly aligned cutout.

 

700

The APE-02S. Two 10k resistors in series, a 130ohm resistor, and a 1uF Tantalum parallel to eachother and all in series with the driver.

 

700

Take a close look at the mounting holes for the plastic housing.

Great job keeping those drivers angled properly, Fischer.

 

All said though, I can fix these issues myself and if I keep these when they are done burning in I'll be rewiring and adding a microphone anyway. Might as well fix and refinish the cups or make new ones at that point anyway. They feel nice and sturdy, and I think there're going to sound better once burned in (I imagine fixing the driver aligned would help as well). Anyhow, that's it.

 

 


Edited by Ledders - 8/3/12 at 7:04pm
post #1795 of 2077

If the pads are really much of a difference compared to the older version, I really do hope that Fischer will sell some pads separately as I would like a pair for my modded 011's.

post #1796 of 2077

Where can I buy a pair of these?

 

I tried searching on ebay with no look, same with google.

post #1797 of 2077
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Originally Posted by DefQon View Post

If the pads are really much of a difference compared to the older version, I really do hope that Fischer will sell some pads separately as I would like a pair for my modded 011's.

I would be interested in the same.  My FA-011's came from the batch that apparently had issues, but I love them anyway.  (I wouldn't feel right RMA'ing them for an improved version, and I can't even imagine how long the wait time would be.)  The annoying thing about them is that I need to deepen the pads with rolled up/twisted paper towels for them to be even remotely comfortable.  After a while, the towels get pushed to the side and the pads becomes shallower again, and it's an extraordinary pain trying to restuff them without pulling the pads off.

 

As a result, I've been using my lightly modded T50RP's throughout 2012 instead (ghetto suspension headband, Shure 840 pads, Paxmate on the bottom of the cups only, and plasticine "shoring up" the sides of the drivers).  They're a lot more comfortable, and even with such trivial mods they sound much better than stock, but they're not modded extensively enough to be flat-out better than the FA-011's (more neutral though).  There are times I'd really like to listen to the Fischers again for a change of pace and a bit more soundstage...without feeling like someone punched me in the ears.


Edited by SobbingWallet - 8/13/12 at 2:33pm
post #1798 of 2077
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Originally Posted by Supertoaster View Post

Where can I buy a pair of these?

 

I tried searching on ebay with no look, same with google.

I haven't paid attention for almost a year, so there may be better options nowadays, but...if not, you can get them from Russia with love:

http://www.gd-audiobase.com/

 

They ship headphones old-school style:  They wrap the package in a waterproof seal, walk it to the ocean, swim across with it, take the waterproof seal off, and then walk it to the nearest post office once they hit land.  It takes a while.

 

If you try to contact them to ask for information about your package, China intercepts the email.  They then have to print it out on paper and deliver it to gd-audiobase by sending a young boy on foot, and replies come back similarly.  It takes a while.


Edited by SobbingWallet - 8/13/12 at 2:52pm
post #1799 of 2077

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Originally Posted by Ledders View Post

700

The APE-02S. Two 10k resistors in series, a 130ohm resistor, and a 1uF Tantalum parallel to eachother and all in series with the driver.

Looks like Fischer might've changed the filter; must be part of the reason they sound different as FlySweep described, along with the pads. Thanks for the photo+description Ledders, gonna have to try rigging up similar filters to see if it changes my older FA-011s much biggrin.gif

 

Edit - Yeah, looks like it was changed a little bit -

700

The old one uses 22k resistors in series, the rest is pretty much the same, just looks less tidy


Edited by kidcharlemagne - 8/14/12 at 12:39pm
post #1800 of 2077

So where can I get these besides gd-audio?  Everywhere else is sold out and fischer audio doesn't recommend gd-audio.

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