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post #256 of 866

Nice, I read on an Asian forum that someone actually terminated the ES10 to the protector balance termination and they were swearing that it is above many reference headphones out-there and recable it with moon-audio cables. Would cost a lot but would love to try that someday. 

post #257 of 866
Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post

'really good'? No, but quite usable, yes. You can even do pretty well with Centrance 2504 which are 700$. But speakers are tricky business: loads with speakers are no laughing matter and amps quite buggers. Lower end KEF Q series can be had maybe for around that price. I live in Japan so prices are different (much much higher). Pro Audio make some stuff that is in that range, but... the synergy between elements gets pretty tricky. 

 

For bookshelf speakers, the Q300 series is a favourite for the price despite sort of mismatching my taste in headphones.

 

I bought some second-hand Yamaha's for now, shipped from Japan with DHL and now held hostage in customs, plus I can't find any speaker wire around here yet so I had to order some from HK, it's all a plethora of really cheap PC speakers and some super expensive active studio monitors lol.

 

The KEF C3 bookshelf speaker is available here but they received a 2 star review from "whathifi".  The KEF LS50 looks really nice and pretty much the size and design concepts I like but too expensive for me currently.

 

Have you heard any British-made bookshelf speakers?

 

 

 

Thanks I'll keep them in mind.  Yeah the ESW9 pads are expensive and not easy to find, I'm pretty happy with the standard pads and velour for now.

 

 

Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

Got the ES10 today after 1.5 years of contemplation, my only comment is why I did not buy this last year! I got this from their actual shop and was able to negotiate a great deal! Plugged it right into the nano 7th generation and it runs just great, no amp needed :-S

 

Haha, nice that you're happy with them from a Nano, pretty good looking setup too.  I always use mine with an amp but I'll soon try them with a Sony Z1070.

 

 

Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post
Originally Posted by JohannLiebert View Post

How do they compare in resolution/detail against uhmm triple/quad-driver IEM's?

But man, they are expensive in the eu. 425€(550USD) lowest price...

The only Quad I own is XBA-4 and easily the ES10 are better than them without even thinking about it twice.

 

They are much better than the Sony XBA-4.  I sold my XBA-3 and -4 very quickly though and don't really consider them as 'real' IEM's.

 

Full-size headphones will [almost] always fall short to IEM's in intimacy, and quite often in layering and detail levels, HP's have more surround sound and typically more delivery of energy.

 

Apart from these differences, in resolution the ES10 is very high, in layering it's high for a HP, competing with IEM's, however, in detail levels, especially in the higher frequencies it's a little dull, lacking some detail, air and pizazz there.

 

The ES10 has most of it's merits in resolution, a very 'direct' sound without dissonance, and high energy levels (it's not 'thin').  The frequency response is quite curious with it's almost Skullcandy / Ultrasone tailored bass attack, and zig-zagged shaped FR in the mids and highs, it's a little raw here and a little dry there, still it's a very 'complete' sounding headphone and doesn't instill any direct feelings to reach for an equalizer.

 

I think the merit of the ES10 is it's a high-end designed portable headphone with nice energy levels, nice voicing a tiny bit ethereal, pretty high resolution and little to zero dissonance, all of this with a very non-typical FR closer to a Skullcandy than a Sony V6.  The more typical FR these days is like the Sony V6, flat and a little bright, they keep the bass and mids even while serving a silver platter of detail at let's say 6 or 10kHz.  At higher volumes which I use 6kHz spikes are a little annoying IME, 9 and 10kHz are pretty good, except a lot of modern music already increases the volume a lot in the studio around 10kHz.

 

If you're going to spend $400+ I'd say you really need to make sure the sound of the ES10 is what you want first, or you'll end up like user szadzik in this thread saying it's a joke compared to the icy cold and open-air r-shaped sounds out there, like the Sony SA-5000 - or in his case he compared it directly to the higher resolution, slightly higher energy, and r-shaped sounding Tesla T5p.

 

In comparison to the T5p, the T5p is technically the better headphone in almost all aspects, and the SA-5000 is more detailed and colder, plus it's open-air, however... the ES10 still has some magic in it those two don't, even if you try to equalize it away!  The ES10 achieves a quality of sonic art.

 

 

If you want detail, speed and air, Sony SA-3000.  If you want detail, air, speed and intimacy, IEM's (like the UE700, CK10).  If you want detail, intimacy and resolution, Audio Technica ATH-CKW1000ANV.  If you want pretty high resolution and pretty high energy with sonic art, ATH-ES10.  Et cetera.

 

I like the ES10 a lot with rock music, since the magic is most apparent there.  However, another portable which sounds really good with rock music - in a different way - is the Shure SRH-940.  I respect the SRH-940 for a lot of reasons as a technical performer, while sounding quite fresh and inviting at the same time, except since the SA-3000 has somehow higher detail levels (I did a direct comparison recently), and the ES10 has less dissonance, and more mystery like a dark vial of sound, I don't really need the SRH-940 myself.  Plus the ES10 looks so nice.

 

I think it all comes down to what you want from your sound, it's like for example the Yamaha NS10 speakers, they served as a tool in studios and yet hardly anyone used or uses them at home.  Studio monitors / tools versus Hi-Fi / sonic art, et cetera.

 

 

Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

Nice, I read on an Asian forum that someone actually terminated the ES10 to the protector balance termination and they were swearing that it is above many reference headphones out-there and recable it with moon-audio cables. Would cost a lot but would love to try that someday.

 

I doubt balanced improves anything in particular apart from stereo seperation, and thus a little tightness and imaging etc.  It can't improve any raw sound quality.  I think recabling HP's / IEM's to balanced is pretty expensive, takes time, plus includes all the associated equipment.  I was considering it for a while looking at the iBasso Pelican (balanced) versus the Warbler.  The Warbler has ground and virtual ground (3CH / 4CH) which, in my experiments recently, makes a nice subtle difference in the stereo presentation anyway, on a technically different level which the Pelican doesn't use. 

 

For ultimate sound and transparency you'll pretty much need to replace op-amps in any portable amplifier as well, which becomes twice as expensive with balanced portable amp's, i.e. requring 4 mono chips or 2 stereo, instead of 2 mono or 1 stereo.

 

I think recabling to pure Silver (not Silver-plated Copper) is expensive too, and even if higher quality Copper (like 4N, 7N etc.) and pure Silver really make some notable differences, by altering the character of the electron flow, via higher (or lesser) conductivity and purity of material (in theory), there is still a lot of marketing and tricks in cables (like changing the impedance, capacitance, or inductance, which you can read about here http://en.goldenears.net/1301), so you have to be very careful when looking for higher quality cables.

 

 

Long story short it's cool someone recabled the ATH-ES10 to balanced and Silver, it already looks so good that will only make it look better.  The technical differences are questionable but that makes the $600 or so improvements even more cool actually since they are burning cash on fashion.  It's a bass-heavy TOTL headphone and will knock the **** out of a Sony V6 with Asian hip-hop.  It's made out of Titanium and Fibreglass for a reason not just for show, and it actually sounds like a TOTL bass-heavy headphone unlike other companies which are all for show.

 

Sorry for the long post.


Edited by kiteki - 11/20/12 at 5:51am
post #258 of 866

I used to be into analytical listening but I realize that i am spending less time enjoying the music than I used to. ES10 is very easy to enjoy a wide genre of music with it. It is seem to be forgiving headphone. I wish the bass was a little less but nothing an EQ would not fix.

 

Yes the amp does help in terms of volume control. It is worth it for 300-350. 

post #259 of 866

It depends on what you mean by analytical, if you want to analyze a veneer of mathematics or a deeper spiritual sound.

post #260 of 866
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Originally Posted by audionewbi View Post

I used to be into analytical listening but I realize that i am spending less time enjoying the music than I used to. ES10 is very easy to enjoy a wide genre of music with it. It is seem to be forgiving headphone. I wish the bass was a little less but nothing an EQ would not fix.

 

Agreed on this, sometimes when out and about, i think nothing could be better than the ES10s i am enjoying them so much.

post #261 of 866
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

It depends on what you mean by analytical, if you want to analyze a veneer of mathematics or a deeper spiritual sound.

true, I should have been more specific. Analytical in terms of ER4S high and baby stax.

post #262 of 866

I'll be getting the CKW1000ANV sometime around this week. Heard they share a pretty similiar sound signature.

If I happen to like the CKW I might get the es10 as well.. as long they arent a downgrade to them :P

post #263 of 866

I'd rather have the CKW1000ANV than the ES10.  The CKW is quite an amazing IEM.

post #264 of 866

CKW1000ANV felt like ES10 in IEM form, or maybe I didnt spend enough time with it. Anyways at that price point it was hard for me to justify the purchase, but one thing is for sure ES10 is not a headphone you can enjoy as you walk casually in nice summer afternoon, autum maybe but summer is out of the question! 


Edited by audionewbi - 11/21/12 at 7:48pm
post #265 of 866

Well, an ES10 in IEM form is pretty amazing.  I don't know, I found them a little different though, I really enjoyed violins and high volume music on the CKW1000ANV, I don't like violins or high volumes on the ES10.  That's just me though.

 

There's a limited number of high-end single dynamic driver IEM's out there, you could almost count them on one hand, so for someone like me that loves the 'IEM sound' more than headphone sound they are really special.  Dynamic drivers tend to have their own special tonality (like JVC FX500/700, HiFiMAN RE262/272), while BA drivers tend to focus more on technical performance and are less tonal.

 

At higher volumes the CKW1000 felt like it had some of the technical merit of the UM Mage, which is a very animated and 'up and away' sound, it also seemed to have some 'distance' from the instruments like it's looking at them rather than inside of them, which is a quality in the FI-BA-SS.

post #266 of 866

Got the ESW11LTD in. The pads are much much nicer, though not as soft/supple as the ESW9 pads are. Also, not circumaural as the ESW9 pads are for me (I've got small ears). Overall, if you are thinking of upgrading from the ES10, don't. Just wait for the pads. The ES10 is still my favourite portable phone. Perfect, no, but damn fine for what it costs and it does punch above its weight in the portable market. 

post #267 of 866
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Originally Posted by shigzeo View Post

Got the ESW11LTD in. The pads are much much nicer, though not as soft/supple as the ESW9 pads are. Also, not circumaural as the ESW9 pads are for me (I've got small ears). Overall, if you are thinking of upgrading from the ES10, don't. Just wait for the pads. The ES10 is still my favourite portable phone. Perfect, no, but damn fine for what it costs and it does punch above its weight in the portable market. 

Do you prefer ES10 with ESW9? 

post #268 of 866

No. The ES9 pads are good, but don't quite fit as snuggly, or block as much noise. If you can, wait for January and pick up the ESW11 LTD pads. They really are quite nice. I wish they were as soft as the ESW9 pads, but apart from that, I've no real complaints. 

 

I come across too harsh on the ESW11, but I think I should be. AT didn't work hard enough on their latest release, which is a shame. It is good, but not great. The ES10 is great.

post #269 of 866

Thanks

post #270 of 866

Dust off your ES10, plug it in your favourite source and download and listen to this track, it is freaking insane! I will delete the track in 6 hours.

 

http://www.mediafire.com/?s9t35stzw5m8yla

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