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post #211 of 1055

I know what you're saying, the ATH-ES10 is quite the chameleon, it'll change with DAC and amplification to a certain extent.  It has hidden gems within it's shell like that.



Reviewers like "szadzik" just listened to the thick and muddy sound for 5 minutes and called it a disgrace, lol.  They couldn't hear the magic in the ES10.

post #212 of 1055

I sent the C421 in to do ferrite change, which would result in a lower output impedance, and proper impedance matching now since 42 Ohm on the ES10 would seem to favor output impedance of around 5 Ohm.


Can't wait to "hear" the change. If it results in proper damping + enough voltage to drive ES10, I think I just found myself the end-game rig. At least until Audio Technica introduces ES11... or ES12.


Now that I've gotten to this point, I am sincerely curious about how the ESW10JPN sounds like...

post #213 of 1055

I blame you guys for instigating! Lambskin ES10...





I'm still trying to find the right words to describe it... the difference in sound signature is simply astounding.


Those earpads ain't coming off. Ever! I'm placing the order for another pair of earpads for my ESW9.


Also that's further proof that ES10's earcups are actually not that large compared to ESW9.

post #214 of 1055

Are they the same size?? I'll have to compare my two sets but i thought the ES10s were much bigger.

post #215 of 1055

I've had both and the ES10's are indeed bigger, but not by much. How different is the sound after switching earpads? I am curious >.>

post #216 of 1055

I still am waiting for the esw11 limited earphone pads.

post #217 of 1055

The ES10 is indeed just slightly bigger. I think by a few mm. I had to stretch the earpad quite a bit, but it fit ultimately.


As far as the difference in sound goes... I think... it definitely sounds more spacious. Distance from my ear to the drivers is noticeably increased, so I think that's the reason. Overall, it just sounds cleaner and the clean-ness extends all the way down to lower frequencies. I'm liking it! It makes my ES10 sound more like a bigger ES7 now... instead of a metallic ESW9.


Comfort and isolation are improved as well.


Makes me wonder why Audio Technica didn't do this from the beginning.

post #218 of 1055


post #219 of 1055

I once bought some L3000 Italian lamb-skin pads for my A2000X from here - http://www.audiocubes2.com/index.php/cPath/27



They sell the ESW10 pads there for $69.99 and it seems like they are lamb-skin too - http://www.audio-technica.com.sg/con_product.php?prodid=69

post #220 of 1055
The esw10 is smaller cupsize.
post #221 of 1055

So which pads can we use on the ES10?

post #222 of 1055
When parts for the upcoming release of the esw11 are avalible they appear to be a fit, same drivet size.
post #223 of 1055

Hi everyone,


Some new thoughts on the ES10.


I'm one of the people which seperate (or try to) technical performance in audio equipment with colouration and voicing.


Last night I (finally) demoed the Audio Technica A1000X, and demoed the W1000X once more, I also tried the Shure SRH-1840.  I've once held the Tesla T5p and A2000X as my favorites and I respect the K1000 so I'll use these headphones in this example.  I also demoed some wooden edition Fischer Audio headphone and several IEM's which I'll omit.


Last night on a technical level I'd say the Shure SRH-1840 is the winner, you can hear it in the imaging and tonal quality, it's definitely pretty high performance so it'll win in several categories like imaging / seperation, SPL / extension for example the mids are a touch forward, it's not thin i.e. fairly nice depth etc.


On the other hand while losing in technical parameters like seperation and note quality, diffraction etc., the colouration and voicing is what makes a lot of Audio Technica headphones (and audio equipment in general) special and emotionally evocative.  An enhanced or coloured TV with say, lots of blue and unnatural sharpness processing, would perhaps look cool but for some reason video is more about performance, like looking as natural and high-rez as possible with even colour balance, it seems like audio is often more often about sounding 'special'.


As such, the Shure SRH-1840 is the higher performance TV screen, but the Audio Technicas are often sonic pieces of art!  In my demo the A1000X wasn't as special as I was hoping, it's actually fairly even-handed and not very captivating, of course it was a quick demo and there is something in there, though basically in my demo there wasn't 'enough' special-ness in there to warrant interest in it instead of a high-performance HP.  Similar story for the W1000X, it looks stunning and all and perhaps there's some nice wooden voicing in there and the performance is fairly high, however it didn't click with my listening.


This is why the ES10 is so beautiful!  To me it's a mystery of sound.  The first time I heard it I couldn't quite 'hear' it or 'lock on' to the sound, it just sounded so unfamiliar, I thought that would pass fairly quickly as I became used to it, however every time I put it on and turn up the volume I still can't quite 'lock on' to it.


So combine the mysterious sound of endless shadows and sunlight with it's fairly MTV music type tailored FR and it's a pretty special HP.


A negative in my view is it's a little bass heavy for my ears since I usually prefer bass-light or r-shaped sound without sibilance at higher volumes.  A plus is the bass is quite uniform and composed similar to the T5p, unlike for example the Denon D5000 which has unacceptable bass quality in my view.  Another negative is it's quite sexy and captiving etc. however not very emotionally uplifting or musical like you want to dance or whatever.


If you only want pure performance values from a headphone you may as well skip straight to a Tesla T1 or K1000 though, or if you're after price versus performance there is Sony SA3000 and several alternatives.


These Audio Technicas like the ES10 and A2000X are niche sonic art.


So for me what it comes down to these days is pretty much 'how special sounding' versus 'how high performance', in that assessment the A1000X, W1000X and W5000 don't really captivate my senses sonically at least in quick sessions, and performance is lacking here or there, which leads to 'skip to K1000 / T1' thinking.


When I once compared the A2000X to the T5p I thought the A2x was laughably thin sounding like two pieces of paper, now when I think back depth vs thinness isn't as important and I place some more value in note purity, quality, voicing & source transparency.

post #224 of 1055

Thanks for the thoughts, Kiteki!


I think you definitely must try an ES10 with lambskin ear pads. It's quite a new experience.

post #225 of 1055

Hi there!


Has anyone here tried to pair ES10 with one of Ray's models, like the Predator?


I am thinking of gettin the Predator to drive my ES10 on-the-go, and wanted to hear some first-hand experience with these cans, just to be sure this is a good combo.


Thanks in advance!

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