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Main thing is, you want a low resistance cable. The lower the better IMO. The ones I use are as low as 0.3 Ohm. You don't want a cable that is much more than 0.7-0.8. To me cables that measure above 1 Ohm generally start sounding a little muddy. I think the original ES10 cable was about 1 Ohm. And the Philips Fidelio X1 cable was almost 2 Ohm.. That's really bad for headphones...
This makes a lot of sense and I am quite surprised how bad the wire was.

On a similar note, cable change made a huge difference with my similar esw11 so I believe it had a similar higher Ohm cable. .
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Nice to see that the ES10 is finally getting some love here on head-fi. I've owned them for almost four and a half years now and never even once thought about selling them. I think that says allot.

 

It definitely needs an amp to shine IMO. But for people who want this great headphone to sound even better and open up even more, I would definitely recommend a cable upgrade. The ES10 has very large full sized headphone drivers that are paired with a very thin cable. This I believe leaves the driver not being able to perform to it's fullest potential. The original cable also has a little bit to much resistance. Upgrading this to a thicker lower resistance cable will definitely tighten everything up and widen the soundstage. You'll still have that great sounding bass but it is more airy and tighter which I like for this headphone. Definitely more detail and wider soundstage with details popping out from a sense of direction which makes it very enjoyable to listen to. The cable upgrade is a huge improvement for the ES10. You have some headphones that will benefit a little from cable upgrades and some that it has a huge effect on and almost makes it sound like you're listening to another headphone altogether. With the ES10 leaning towards the latter.

 

I personally used a cable intended for digital audio (AES/EBU) but came highly recommended as a good microphone cable. From what I understand microphone cables make excellent headphone cables as well. And having tried a couple of different mic cables I ended up with a pretty thick cable but it was the best sounding one IMO (I originally wanted a thinner cable).

 

Here are some pictures of the ES10 with the cable upgrade. I went with white shrink tubing and cable sock because I thought it looked really sexy on the ES10 with the titanium earcups :p.

 

 

Quite impressive!

 

Glad to say after more hours of research than I'm willing to admit, that I'll go with Audio Technica as my first audiophile cans. However, there's still so much more to learn and decide on...

 

I plan on switching the es10's 53mm driver into the a2000x to get the best of all three worlds-- warm drivers, circumaural isolation, and chrome rims! a neat titanium look :D.

 

Of course, sonic mishaps are expected and the new cans will probably need heavy tuning and further mods.

Speaking of which, I'd like to compensate for any overpowering bass/treble using custom cables such as the colored Dragons by Moon Audio.

Gotta dive into the DIY cable threads asap.

 

If you found any particular guide or tutorial helpful in working with your es10's, could you please recommend them?

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Hi folks,

I am going to sell mine, if anyone is interested, just PM me.
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Quite impressive!

 

Glad to say after more hours of research than I'm willing to admit, that I'll go with Audio Technica as my first audiophile cans. However, there's still so much more to learn and decide on...

 

I plan on switching the es10's 53mm driver into the a2000x to get the best of all three worlds-- warm drivers, circumaural isolation, and chrome rims! a neat titanium look :D.

 

Of course, sonic mishaps are expected and the new cans will probably need heavy tuning and further mods.

Speaking of which, I'd like to compensate for any overpowering bass/treble using custom cables such as the colored Dragons by Moon Audio.

Gotta dive into the DIY cable threads asap.

 

If you found any particular guide or tutorial helpful in working with your es10's, could you please recommend them?

You don't really need any guides as far as cable modding them. It's pretty straight forward.. Remove pads, unscrew and remove the cups. After that It's just 2 wires ground and signal and those are easy to tell apart since they are color coded... But always use multimeter to check the signal just in case. Google headphone wiring if you're unsure what goes where on the phone connector. If you're going to remove the whole driver I suppose there will be screws for that once you get the cups off. But I must warn you from personal experience be very careful with the headphone drivers. The membrane material is very thin and can easily be "disformed" if you touch them by accident. Watch out using metal objects around them (like a screwdriver) since there is a magnet behind the driver.

 

Good luck and happy modding :)

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Wow, you simply don't know what level of detail these headphones are capable of until you have tried the lambskin earpads. I'm using the esw9 earpads right now and the detail is just taken to another level. Sort of reminds me of my CD3000's.. Very detailed but can sound a bit overly bright at times. Bass is very tight and not nearly as much of it as with the original pads that are quite boomy in comparison. It's still a forward sounding headphone but Id say the soundstage is quite a bit wider than with the original pads. This can also be the effect of the bass not being as over powering and thus more detail and a clearer midrange will probably give you more sense of space.

 

The ES10 becomes sort of a semi open headphone with the lambskin earpads though. They seem to leak alot more sound than with the original earpads. So for portable use it may not be as well suited.

 

At first I thought they were too bright but after using them for a while I'm really starting to like them =)

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I use the esw11 lambskin ear pads. They fit perfectly. I was wondering why the boomy bass didn't bother me anymore. Don't know if the phone settled down but maybe a combo with that and the ear pads.

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From my experience, the ESW11 ear pads if brand spanking new would be too supple, and as a result, it sounds a bit muffled since the drivers are slightly further away.

 

After "burn-in" (or simply physically compress the ear pads by pressing them in between thick books/dictionaries), they will become far softer, which makes bass more tame, and the sound also becomes clearer.

 

The ESW9 ear pads, in comparison, isolates less, and due to the microfiber cloth used for the filter sucking up high frequencies, they sound warmer with more bass impact.

 

As for the drivers settling in... I have no idea if that's the case, but changing the dampening materials in the back would have a far more noticeable effect. More so than cables and the likes. Even changing the material of the housing would have a noticeable effect.

 

The ES10 is not the best headphone in existence, but I am quite certain it can be more than what it was intended to be.

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It sounds like I lucked out when I bought the pair of ES10s I just received, they came with the ESW11 pads on them. 

 

The cups are a little scuffed up as expected with these headphones, I'm torn between a couple options on making them look better. I might do the high grit sand paper thing, but using a dremel polishing bit and some Mother's Mag and Aluminum polish on these could get them back to a perfect mirror finish without the brushed look. 

 

Either way, they aren't going to be looking scuffed up for long, I can't stand stuff having imperfections like that. I even black out my D2000 because it had a scratch on the headband, now it has a TH600-esque look.

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Just got these things yesterday, and I already recabled them. 

 

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Even sanding them won't protect them from scratches. It seems that the ear cups are made using a titanium alloy that doesn't have a lot of titanium.

 

I think you might want to consider having custom wood ear cups made. They'll make a difference to the sound as well.

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I have a project of my own coming up in about a month. I'm going to start making carbon fiber cups for the Denon AH-Dx000 series and probably these as well. 

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I had got my ES10's when they were first available, and recabled them with Whiplash Audio TWag, in late 2010.  Reading this thread recently, I decided to get ESW-11 pads, which arrived yesterday.  What a difference!   I notice a general tightening up of the bass, and improved clarity.  The only issue is that they make the phones a bit tighter, and I don't know how that will play out.

 

 

Ed

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Meant to add this photo of my recabled ES10's.

 

Ed

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Does anyone here have an extra set of ESW11 ear pads that can sell to me?

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Tried selling my old ES10 (I have 2 pairs) on a local forum for many months but nobody seemed interested. Priced it at 300SGD (~240USD).

 

Now contemplating what to do with it. Tried offering to lend a friend of mine but he doesn't seem to want handling such an expensive headphone.

Anyone have any suggestions? Should I try Head-Fi's Sales Forum?

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