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post #796 of 807
I haven't done head to head with the sig pros and es10, one right after another for a while. They are more balanced than the ed8 and have more mid bass, and less high end emphasis. They do share the same ultrasone house sound though. From what you say it sounds to me like the dj pro would fit u better. I have not heard them though so I am in the dark on it except for what has been written out here.
Edited by dallan - 4/4/14 at 10:10am
post #797 of 807

I have a tip which for me means my ES10s sound much better, aside from ESW11 pads which are a essential, I find that if I position 

the headphones so the bottom of the pad, sits on my ear lobe, so at the bottom of my ear the ES10 is not going over my ear at all, 

it reduces some boomy bass and gives a flatter sound overall.

 

try it and report back please

post #798 of 807
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Originally Posted by KT66 View Post
 

I have a tip which for me means my ES10s sound much better, aside from ESW11 pads which are a essential, I find that if I position 

the headphones so the bottom of the pad, sits on my ear lobe, so at the bottom of my ear the ES10 is not going over my ear at all, 

it reduces some boomy bass and gives a flatter sound overall.

 

try it and report back please

It just makes it sound like the sound is not centred as it should be, sure you get slightly reduced bass since you don't have a good seal that way and less isolation. If you want less bass and a flatter sound go for the ES700 or another more neutral headphone, the ES10 is more of a fun headphone and excellent for EDM.

post #799 of 807

Bill P I have both a new and old pair of ES10s, and I'm thinking about modding one of them. I'm fairly satisfied with the bass response of the ES-10, I have found that the depth improves a lot with a good powerful amp. What I would like to do is recover some of the mid-high dip that is seen in the ES-10 frequency response, to bridge the mids and highs and make this part of the response flatter. The wool treatment sounds like it deals specifically with this issue, and it could be relatively simple, provided I can find the right materials (I live in Tokyo, so this is the difficult part…not even sure where to begin). Perhaps I can even try several kinds of wool, with varying densities, if I can find a good source.

post #800 of 807
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Originally Posted by JHern View Post
 

Bill P I have both a new and old pair of ES10s, and I'm thinking about modding one of them. I'm fairly satisfied with the bass response of the ES-10, I have found that the depth improves a lot with a good powerful amp. What I would like to do is recover some of the mid-high dip that is seen in the ES-10 frequency response, to bridge the mids and highs and make this part of the response flatter. The wool treatment sounds like it deals specifically with this issue, and it could be relatively simple, provided I can find the right materials (I live in Tokyo, so this is the difficult part…not even sure where to begin). Perhaps I can even try several kinds of wool, with varying densities, if I can find a good source.

What's interesting is that the wool Bill P uses is made in Japan. So they must have it there! :-)

post #801 of 807
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Originally Posted by baronkatz View Post
 

What's interesting is that the wool Bill P uses is made in Japan. So they must have it there! :-)

 

Should be, but when you get into nitty-gritty stuff like this, language skills are essential…I can deal with katakana and hiragana, but I only know some kanji. I can't wait for the day when I can go into a linen shop and hash out subtleties of wool fiber with the shopkeeper (and similarly with sake)…but that day is at least several years in the future.

 

But perhaps Bill P uses some wool that is relatively easy to find in Tokyo? One never knows…hence the query.

post #802 of 807

Well, it's not just simply stuffing the wool felt in there. There is a methodology to all of this if you would like to get more clarity out of the ES10.

 

I kept thinking I couldn't do any more, and then I got curious again, so I opened the headphone up and shaved down the amount of dampening materials I used, and also tried out different placements. So both the quantity of the wool felt and the placement is important. You're dealing with a very limited amount of space here.

 

I have now gotten my ES10 to sound almost as crystal clear as the W1000. Baronkatz would know what I'm talking about. It's sort of crazy just how far I can push this headphone once I get that Audio Technica did not do their best to make this headphone sound as good as it could.

post #803 of 807
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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

 

I have now gotten my ES10 to sound almost as crystal clear as the W1000. Baronkatz would know what I'm talking about. It's sort of crazy just how far I can push this headphone once I get that Audio Technica did not do their best to make this headphone sound as good as it could.

Yes it does sound clearer and more neutral, but a tad bright for me and less bass.I feel like with any mod, you are sacrificing one thing for another. Audio Technica didn't do as much as they could not only due to cost factors, but they wanted a certain sound from it... I think that's an important factor to consider, they want a fun v-shaped phone, unlike the W1000 which is more neutral, etc... I feel like the ES10 is more marketed towards EDM style of music and for that it's perfect, where W1000 is marketed more for Jazz, Classical, etc...

post #804 of 807
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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post
 

Well, it's not just simply stuffing the wool felt in there. There is a methodology to all of this if you would like to get more clarity out of the ES10.

 

I kept thinking I couldn't do any more, and then I got curious again, so I opened the headphone up and shaved down the amount of dampening materials I used, and also tried out different placements. So both the quantity of the wool felt and the placement is important. You're dealing with a very limited amount of space here.

 

I have now gotten my ES10 to sound almost as crystal clear as the W1000. Baronkatz would know what I'm talking about. It's sort of crazy just how far I can push this headphone once I get that Audio Technica did not do their best to make this headphone sound as good as it could.

Could you put photos up of what you did please?

post #805 of 807
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Originally Posted by baronkatz View Post
 

Yes it does sound clearer and more neutral, but a tad bright for me and less bass.I feel like with any mod, you are sacrificing one thing for another. Audio Technica didn't do as much as they could not only due to cost factors, but they wanted a certain sound from it... I think that's an important factor to consider, they want a fun v-shaped phone, unlike the W1000 which is more neutral, etc... I feel like the ES10 is more marketed towards EDM style of music and for that it's perfect, where W1000 is marketed more for Jazz, Classical, etc...

 

I could have kept the same amount of bass as the original, but that's just a little bit too much for me, and it sounds very unnatural for drum hits and such. Accurate bass is definitely much less than the amount that the ES10 tries to portray.

 

The stock W1000, IMO, is not necessarily marketed toward jazz. It would need to be a bit warmer and less accentuated than what it is, and at least it needs more bass than that for classical. It might have been marketed toward purely vocal reproduction, which it excels at.

 

As for the stock ES10, I don't think it's V-shaped at all. It's definitely far less V-shaped when compared to something like the Ultrasone Edition 8. I agree that it was marketed solely for EDMs, though, and in that regards, it does an excellent job. But it's not as versatile as it could be, which is why I started modding my pair. I could hear its potential as an all-rounder. Perhaps in its current state, my pair doesn't quite do any particular thing well, but it does work better with more genres than just EDM.

 

I think the reason why you may feel that the ES10 and many other headphones are too bright for EDM may be because most EDM music was mastered by folks who use low-end headphones that have very screwy high frequency response. So they boosted those high frequencies in order to compensate for their listening devices.

 

Prime example of a repeat offender of such practice: Skrillex...

 

Also it's unfortunate, but your ears are really so sensitive that you listen to your music over 10dB lower than I do. I typically listen around 70-80dB for bassy music, so 10dB lower means you're listening to EDM as if it's background music at a coffee shop. That's very quiet. I'd hate to think what would happen if an explosion goes off near you. The ringing would be insane!

 

All in all, if I was still listening to solely EDMs, then my mod would have taken a different direction. But seeing as jazz, classical, and vocals have taken over, you can pretty much expect all of my headphones to sound more or less the same... with more emphasis on vocals, clarity, and less on bass.

 

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Originally Posted by KT66 View Post
 

Could you put photos up of what you did please?

 

Sure, but my pair also uses a different ear cup material, and a different cable as well, both of which do make some sizable differences. Even if I show you what I did, applying the same thing to the stock ES10 may end up causing a different effect altogether.

 

And some of it may be irreversible.


Edited by Bill-P - 4/13/14 at 2:21pm
post #806 of 807
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Originally Posted by Bill-P View Post

 

As for the stock ES10, I don't think it's V-shaped at all. It's definitely far less V-shaped when compared to something like the Ultrasone Edition 8. I agree that it was marketed solely for EDMs, though, and in that regards, it does an excellent job. But it's not as versatile as it could be, which is why I started modding my pair. I could hear its potential as an all-rounder. Perhaps in its current state, it doesn't quite do any particular thing well, but it does work better with more genres than just EDM.

 

I think the reason why you may feel that the ES10 and many other headphones are too bright for EDM may be because most EDM music was mastered by folks who use low-end headphones that have very screwy high frequency response. So they boosted those high frequencies in order to compensate for their listening devices.

 

Prime example of a repeat offender of such practice: Skrillex...

 

Also it's unfortunate, but your ears are really so sensitive that you listen to your music over 10dB lower than I do. I typically listen around 70-80dB for bassy music, so 10dB lower means you're listening to EDM as if it's background music at a coffee shop. That's very quiet. I'd hate to think what would happen if an explosion goes off near you. The ringing would be insane!

Well the Ultrasone Ediiton 8 is not even V shaped, it's more like -20db for the bass and mids and +40db for the treble, it's just all treble and a little sub bass... That's what I hated about the T70Ps as well. They are both to my ears like a checkmark shape...

 

I agree that most EDM artists use Beats or some other crap headphones for mastering, although some (such as Above and Beyond) use T770Pros or DT990s etc... I think though that most music isnt mastered well, whether it's EDM or other... I think people only care about recording Jazz and Classical well, which is kind of sad considering all the other music out there. I can hardly listen to the Florence + the Machine album becuse it sounds so distorted, the recording on CD was horrible and same goes for many other artists.

 

I CAN listen to my music louder, but I choose not to as I don't want to lose my hearing. Sure the music sounds way better at louder volumes, but then I lose my hearing, so I don't want to risk it. I usually listen to my ES10s at 1/4 mark on my iPod, maybe 1/2 mark if I am on BART or 3/4 if it's really loud background. However, something like the DT770s, I have to listen to full volume since the drivers are so far away... which hurts my ears.

 

I'm still searching for my perfect pair of headphones...

post #807 of 807

The DT770 is also less sensitive than the ES10 as well, so you have to push your iPod harder.

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