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I am speechless. Why has JHA been taking orders for the JH-3a? Why develop a product when it possibly can't come to market? All this time they were in a patent fight. Makes absolutely no sense!


Why has JHA been taking orders for the JH-3a?

Seed money for the project?

 

Why develop a product when it possibly can't come to market? All this time they were in a patent fight.

That was the big gamble wasn't it? Probably had some lawyer saying "No problem Jerry. We've got this one in the bag. Come RMAF you can show those schmucks at UE whose boss". 

 

Meanwhile back in the real world...


Edited by MrQ - 10/11/11 at 7:22am
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Originally Posted by onecolorist View Post

I am speechless. Why has JHA been taking orders for the JH-3a? Why develop a product when it possibly can't come to market? All this time they were in a patent fight. Makes absolutely no sense!

And use a substantial amount of forum members money to fund it into the bargain and not be truthful about it!

All Jerry is doing is eulogizing about how this design is the same as the other.. Nothing about taking forum members money for something he knew he could not produce or at the very least knew there was a strong possibility of not producing all the while being supported by this forum in his endeavour.

I really hope people are at last getting what really is going on here!
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... at the very least, knew there was a strong possibility of not producing, all the while being supported by this forum in his endeavour.
 


That's what I can't wrap my mind around. He wasn't taking money and not doing anything with it. Capital was being put towards development.  Why do that? If the technology that's being used for the project might ultimately be judged as someone else's property.  It's money down the drain.

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Let's see what Jerry has to say about this, either in an email, or at RMAF, before jumping to conclusions.
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The conclusions have been made! Jerry has made them, this is not about sound quality but business ethics or sever lack of! I think no one who is commenting on this is jumping to anything!
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Let's see what Jerry has to say about this, either in an email, or at RMAF, before jumping to conclusions.


LMAF,

 

"jumping to conclusions" ??? All the conclusions you read are based on months and hundreds of posts attesting to, as BR777 astutely recognized back in March, the "black cloud" hanging over this project and the inescapable conclusion that JHA simply doesn't want to acknowledge, and in fact, perpetuated, the ongoing mystery of the elusive JH-3a through statement and expectations set. Wait to hear  what he says at RMAF? He's had 10 months to say something...

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Like I said, let's see what Jerry has to say about this in RMAF, while UE is watching. biggrin.gif

(I've recently backed out of the JH3A preorder list, have been waiting for over 8 months.)
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Conclusions in the context of the JH3A rev.2's sound quality, correcting myself. Jerry claims there's no difference from its having active crossovers, so we'll see about that this Friday.
Edited by DraRaGonsGe - 10/11/11 at 10:59am
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Jerry may well have had good reason to believe he could negotiate a license with UE for a reasonable fee, or even get them to look the other way. A UE rep once told me that UE actually owns the patents to the dual (and presumably also triple) bore design that Jerry invented while at UE and later used for the JH13 and 16. In that instance, it seems UE basically allowed him to use that design without paying a fee. (That patent is the reason why Westone customs terminate in an open "cavern" with the bores recessed.)

So it may not have been disingenuous for Jerry to push on with the project. I just hope UE uses its considerable resources to develop something with the active crossover patent.
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Jerry may well have had good reason to believe he could negotiate a license with UE for a reasonable fee, or even get them to look the other way. A UE rep once told me that UE actually owns the patents to the dual (and presumably also triple) bore design that Jerry invented while at UE and later used for the JH13 and 16. In that instance, it seems UE basically allowed him to use that design without paying a fee. (That patent is the reason why Westone customs terminate in an open "cavern" with the bores recessed.)

So it may not have been disingenuous for Jerry to push on with the project. I just hope UE uses its considerable resources to develop something with the active crossover patent.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are, just not taking preorders 1.5 years before it actually comes out. biggrin.gif
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Fine an dandy but don't take customers money until you know for certain!!
What he did was take orders for something he was not sure legally he could actually make!! That simply is not ethical no matter which way you look at it!

At the very least when taking people's money let them know of this risk so they can make the choice.. Of course anyone in their right mind would not put money into something with that variable unless they were an investor willing to take the risk... The people on this forum are not investors!
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I completely agree... There should have been disclosure the moment that this was discovered to be an issue that could impact design. Given that our pre-order dollars funded this, thereby making us stake-holders in the design and delivery of the product, we should have been duly informed. I think we need to ascertain exactly how long the patent issue and attendant redesign have been known. I can't imagine that they just whipped up a new design in a few weeks and planned on meeting the RMAF date.

 

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Fine an dandy but don't take customers money until you know for certain!!
What he did was take orders for something he was not sure legally he could actually make!! That simply is not ethical no matter which way you look at it!
At the very least when taking people's money let them know of this risk so they can make the choice.. Of course anyone in their right mind would not put money into something with that variable unless they were an investor willing to take the risk... The people on this forum are not investors!


 

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This is like Mel Brooks - The Producers  meets Oliver Stone's - Wall Street. 

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... with a pinch of added Nutty Professor. 

 

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Edit: Anyone expecting JH to say anything that would undermine any existing or future claims or appeals will be...how do you Americans put it?

Whistling Dixie.


Edited by MrQ - 10/11/11 at 1:44pm
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