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Originally Posted by DecentLevi View Post
 

@chann3l regarding your first electronic song posted here... to be honest, the first thing that came to mind was THIS IS REALLY GREAT! You seem to really have a talent, and with just a little refinement, there's no stopping your success! It also seemed like you have a lot of experience with creating sounds too.

 

Next, from a technical perspective:

 

The first thing in this regard that hit me was that the resolution your track sounds somewhat lossy... think 64 or 96kbps encoded MP3, where the dynamic range / fine details become missing. Either you converted your master to a lossy format or Youtube had encoded your track down too far. Otherwise it seems your track is missing a lot of high frequency sparkle above approx. 8khz.

 

I liked the rhythm, being at least somewhat more complex than the average EDM song. But regarding the mastering of your drums: I would recommend you rethink the reverb: Think length instead of volume. I recommend going with about 260 milliseconds and 20-40% on the wet level to provide a more organic-ish reverb sound on your drums. Especially on your hi-hats (which we could have used more of): these really seem to sing with even more time and wet mix than other drums.

 

Also on the drums, I think you can also try to add a bit more compression: instant attack, 100~300 milliseconds release, medium threshold / ratio for a bit more 'punch' to the drums. 

 

RE the levels, I thought the synth piece was a little too forward / loud in comparison with the drums.

 

Finally, regarding the ultra-minimal synth towards the end: I thought that might have been interesting to hear the use of some tremolo. Something you can try that I came up with to give a little more complexity to simple elements is chaining up multiple instances of tremelo plug-ins, each with their own partial dry/wet amounts, and even each with their own speeds. Using a hybrid sine/square wave oscillator can give a superior result.

 

Still a very worthy track overall!

Thanks that means a lot! Lots of new stuff for me to try and refine it some more too. I'm not sure why, but ya, the Youtube version sounds really muddy. It is to do with Youtube though because the original wav file sounds much clearer and I encoded at the highest quality in FL Studio. I'll definitely try and rework the drums a bit too and clean them up. I can also adjust the volume on the synth so that it doesn't drown the drums out as much lol. Thanks again for your pointers and support, I'll be sure to post more as I work on things. Great community this is :D

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No problem - it's all for the electro community :)

 

Two more tips: loop the most complex portion of your track and inspect the frequencies visually on the likes of a parametric EQ to make sure your overall frequency curve is no more than approx. 30% above/below a flat level (most songs in general actually have a quite linear EQ curve), otherwise you may want to increase/decreace some frequencies. Don't be afraid to EQ, especially on individual sounds - all mastering engineers use it. 

 

Another way to get your drums to push through the mix is with sidechain compression on the other sounds.

 

Now back to the music. This one also has a lyric video with good virtues.

Snog - Real Estate Man (Ubin Remix) (2005) Jump up

 


Edited by DecentLevi - 2/8/16 at 7:58pm
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I'll make some changes to the first and hopefully have that done along with a second song this week. Seriously, thanks again for the advice. Its nice to be able to get real feedback!
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Well I hope some other member here will also give him feedback from his song on the last page... @WraithApe @keepitsimple and @BlakeT perhaps? My opinion isn't the only one...

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Originally Posted by DecentLevi View Post
 

Well I hope some other member here will also give him feedback from his song on the last page... @WraithApe @keepitsimple and @BlakeT perhaps? My opinion isn't the only one...

 

We're not all in the same time zone you know :wink_face: Just woke up to find a bunch of new posts here! I look forward to checking it later though - great that people are producing their own music and sharing it here. I used to dabble as well, many moons ago, but had no talent for it.

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Thanks that means a lot! Lots of new stuff for me to try and refine it some more too. I'm not sure why, but ya, the Youtube version sounds really muddy. It is to do with Youtube though because the original wav file sounds much clearer and I encoded at the highest quality in FL Studio. I'll definitely try and rework the drums a bit too and clean them up. I can also adjust the volume on the synth so that it doesn't drown the drums out as much lol. Thanks again for your pointers and support, I'll be sure to post more as I work on things. Great community this is :D

So I'm assuming you are using FL Studio. In case you are interested in tutorials about producing in FL Studio make sure to check out SeamlessR's youtube channel, you can find plenty useful stuff there. I have little to no clue what he talks about  in his vids but he seems to be knowledgeable.

 

Note that I'm not a producer and I'm bat at appreciating experimental electronic music (NOT an AFX fan). About your track: it isn't my new favourite obviously. The simple basic sine wave (or at least very close to it) at the beginning and the ending is just boring in my opinion definitely not catchy at all. It doesn't sound balanced (to me), I think it lacks treble. The drums sounded pretty good actually. The track lacks some complexity compared to other tunes I know, I mean stuff like five synths in your face simultaneously, or strange glitches or more complex melodies.

 

However I compared your music to professionals' music and despite all the "bashing" I geniunely think that  it's a decent attempt and you have a talent for it. Seriously you aren't supposed to make a masterpiece as your first attempt.

 

If I didn't make it clear enough then I state again: it's just my opinion, others might have enjoyed it more than me.

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Originally Posted by VNandor View Post

So I'm assuming you are using FL Studio. In case you are interested in tutorials about producing in FL Studio make sure to check out SeamlessR's youtube channel, you can find plenty useful stuff there. I have little to no clue what he talks about  in his vids but he seems to be knowledgeable.

Note that I'm not a producer and I'm bat at appreciating experimental electronic music (NOT an AFX fan). About your track: it isn't my new favourite obviously. The simple basic sine wave (or at least very close to it) at the beginning and the ending is just boring in my opinion definitely not catchy at all. It doesn't sound balanced (to me), I think it lacks treble. The drums sounded pretty good actually. The track lacks some complexity compared to other tunes I know, I mean stuff like five synths in your face simultaneously, or strange glitches or more complex melodies.

However I compared your music to professionals' music and despite all the "bashing" I geniunely think that  it's a decent attempt and you have a talent for it. Seriously you aren't supposed to make a masterpiece as your first attempt.

If I didn't make it clear enough then I state again: it's just my opinion, others might have enjoyed it more than me.

Ya im using FL Studio. Ill have to check out those tutorials, I basically just went through this hour long basic tutorial I found on YouTube and then went from there. I really appreciate the honest feedback. I really dont know what I'm doing when it comes to using synths and definitely need some practice with that lol. I'm going to at least remaster the track and clean it up a bit. I don't consider it bashing either, I want to learn and the exact thing I don't need is people telling me its the best thing they've ever heard when it isn't lol.
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Originally Posted by chann3l View Post
 

 

First attempt at making electronic music. Be gentle :p, but be honest. Feedback of all sorts is very welcome.


Wow...that's very good mate! If it's your first attempt then it's very good indeed! Experience taught me that the harder you try - the easier it gets! Keep at it!!

 

Just for laugh's, here is the first ever track i made. I called it Wandering Stars:

 

I made the track and video when i was just 16. Not bad at all for a 16 year old lmao. I had a rep in school and I even gave myself a name and kept making music until i was 19...but sadly had to give it up due to other commitments. I still have an ear for music though...that never left me :tongue: 


Edited by Audioholic123 - 2/9/16 at 9:02am
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@Audioholic123 I think "wandering stars" is good for any age, im 27 now, if I could do that when i was 16 id be laughing all the way to the bank tongue.gif

Thanks for the feedback, I think it will definitely get easier as i experiment with various sounds too.
Edited by chann3l - 2/9/16 at 9:18am
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@chann3l Good first effort with your tune. I've think you've really focused on getting the classic dubstep noises right - woinks n falbs as I affectionately call 'em - and they sound great! By contrast, the drums are pretty far down in the mix, a bit thin sounding - you might wanna try using side-chain compression to bring out the beats, as Levi suggested.

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Originally Posted by WraithApe View Post

@chann3l
 Good first effort with your tune. I've think you've really focused on getting the classic dubstep noises right - woinks n falbs as I affectionately call 'em - and they sound great! By contrast, the drums are pretty far down in the mix, a bit thin sounding - you might wanna try using side-chain compression to bring out the beats, as Levi suggested.

Thanks a lot! Being quite new to this would you possibly be able to explain how sidechain compression works and how i can achieve this is fl studio? I think if i can bring out the drums a bit more and add some tremelo to the synth as Levi mentioned, it could be a much more complete sounding song.
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Originally Posted by chann3l View Post


Thanks a lot! Being quite new to this would you possibly be able to explain how sidechain compression works and how i can achieve this is fl studio? I think if i can bring out the drums a bit more and add some tremelo to the synth as Levi mentioned, it could be a much more complete sounding song.

 

It's been a long time since I used FL Studio (back when it was just called Fruity Loops, which probably tells you how long!) so I'm not the best person to give you tips now - Levi, or maybe someone else on here who makes their own tunes, will be your best bet. Re: side chain compression, this guy explains it better than I ever could - and its application in FL Studio: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lCI-2ceR7g. As VNandor mentioned, there are loads of FL Studio tutorials on YouTube.

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@WraithApe awesome, thanks a lot, ill check that out and then see what i come up with tonight.
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Listening to Aphex Twin - Selected Ambient Works Volume 2 in ~900kbps FLAC...bliss

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