I feel like I've missed a step, is it worth it to go back?

You haven't really said what you thought of the 650, which I would consider a crucial point. There are those who don't necessarily consider the 800 an upgrade, at least not in every area.

Oh, the answer to your third paragraph is no.

well, I've never dropped that much $$$ on a headphone before, but from what I've read...this is a classic example of the law of diminishing returns. We expect a $1400 headphone to make us feel like we're jumping through the clouds, strictly because of the price. However, once you hit $700 in headphones, upgrades are going to be logarithmically costlier and will have exponentially LESS effect on the overall sound. So your disappointment in the HD800 might stem from subconscious, financially-based expectations.

That said, consider with what you're amping the 800s. These are extremely sensitive headphones, and if they aren't paired with the right amp, it's definitely possible that the sound will be...not what it could be. If it were me, I'd spend at least double on the amp what I spent on the headphones. I'll probably get half of Head-Fi disagreeing with me on that point, but suffice it to say the amping makes a HUGE difference.

Buy a pair of M50s and see if you really notice a difference.

Everything is subjective and relative, my friend.

That's my only advice, really.

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well, I've never dropped that much $$$ on a headphone before, but from what I've read...this is a classic example of the law of diminishing returns. We expect a $1400 headphone to make us feel like we're jumping through the clouds, strictly because of the price. However, once you hit $700 in headphones, upgrades are going to be logarithmically costlier and will have exponentially LESS effect on the overall sound. So your disappointment in the HD800 might stem from subconscious, financially-based expectations.

 

That said, consider with what you're amping the 800s. These are extremely sensitive headphones, and if they aren't paired with the right amp, it's definitely possible that the sound will be...not what it could be. If it were me, I'd spend at least double on the amp what I spent on the headphones. I'll probably get half of Head-Fi disagreeing with me on that point, but suffice it to say the amping makes a HUGE difference.

 

Buy a pair of M50s and see if you really notice a difference.

I'd say less than $700 is the point of deminishing returns. I'd say it's around $400. 

Anyway @OP, I'd recommend trying out several other brands of headphones, but just remember that they aren't strictly "better" just different. Also, you might want to consider different gear. I don't know what you have currently, so that's your call.

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I'd say less than $700 is the point of deminishing returns. I'd say it's around $400. 

 

Anyway @OP, I'd recommend trying out several other brands of headphones, but just remember that they aren't strictly "better" just different. Also, you might want to consider different gear. I don't know what you have currently, so that's your call.

My thoughts exactly. Much less than $700. Depending on the budget contraints, but I'd say $200 IMHO for many people.

Well it sounds like you know what you don't like.  Bright and fast, highly resolving and analytical all sound like great "buzzwords" for music enjoyment but quite a lot of people don't care for that.  Often a slower but more lush and musical presentation is a better recipe for toe-tapping listening fun.

I'd say recover as much as you can from the HD800 and get another HD650.  And if you feel like you are still missing out on something with them, maybe look at going balanced.  Just be prepared to invest quite a bit.  A true balanced amp of quality is expensive.

I don't know if head-fi meets happen in your area but that is the single best way to explore headphone audio. You'll be exposed to more gear that you can listen to and evaluate in an afternoon than you'd probably otherwise be exposed to in years of trial and error.

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My thoughts exactly. Much less than $700. Depending on the budget contraints, but I'd say $200 IMHO for many people.

I'm not going to buy another headphone if that helps on the budget thing. I've heard several high end headphones, and while they were good (hell, they were great) I didn't feel the urge to BUY.  My HD650s cost $200 and my modded sr60i cost about $160. (Please note that my amp and DAC have cost significantly more than my cost of headphones.)

Sounds like you should swap the 800s for the LCD2s. To oversimplify things a lot, they are like a better 650, and with a similar frequency-response signature.

You might want to try electrostatics. The Koss ESP950 is in your price range and so is a used lower end  Stax rig.  Otherwise, I'll second the LCD2s.

I think like many you've just succumbed to marketing and instantly believe more dollar equals a better sound, it just isn't so. The HD800 is simply Sennheisers next in-line HD600, HD650, and you may very well prefer either of those. The HD800 much like the Sony SA5000 has a forward treble giving the illusion of more detail, it isn't to everyones liking.

well, this is probably not helpful, but I did not like the 650 and got rid of it after about 3 months; I loved the LCD-1 when I had it briefly, and have heard other people's LCD-2 on occasion, and find it hugely more involving than the 650. but I've also since gone in other directions (custom IEMs on the one hand and more spent on the speaker rig on the other left no room for new full-size cans), so I cannot talk much about the 800, which I only heard at meets (doesn't count) and how it might compare to the LCD-2. however, your posts read to me more like a classic case of buyer's remorse - where you're not sure the money ought to have been spent that way...