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post #121 of 306
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Originally Posted by chengdude View Post

By the way, Teclast is a shell company that markets MP3 players, PMPs, e-readers, MIDs, laptops, webcams, USB flash drives, and DVD drives.  They are most definitely not a "videophile" company, whatever that's supposed to mean.  They buy designs from different OEMs and market them under the Teclast name.  That's why there's a Nationite s:flo2.  Or, if you have the money, an (insert your name) version of the T51.

 

You are describing about 90% of all the branded Chinese electronics companies right there. In fact, I think Phillips and Sony do just about the same on most of their consumer level electronics products. Don't forget even iPod / iPhone / iPad's hardware are developed by a Taiwanese company, not Apple themselves.
 

 


Edited by ClieOS - 10/14/11 at 4:39am
post #122 of 306

 

well I always thought the S:Flo 2 was a rebranded T51, because that's what it says everywhere, are you saying Nationite and Teclast have nothing to do with eachother..?

 

By "videophile" I meant most of their devices seem to have large screens, and focus on watching videos, support 720P, various formats, etc... rather than focusing on hi-fi, since the T51 is the only hi-fi DAP they've released AFAIK, I'm just saying if Hifiman are audiophile, Teclast is videophile... the T51 was an exception to their typical marketing, AFAIK, and an extremely good one too, it sounds a lot better than the HM-601/602, the 2GB version was only $100, AND it has a huge screen for watching movies on it! It's the best product I've bought in my life, in respect to value for money.

 

 

post #123 of 306
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

 

well I always thought the S:Flo 2 was a rebranded T51, because that's what it says everywhere, are you saying Nationite and Teclast have nothing to do with eachother..?

 

By "videophile" I meant most of their devices seem to have large screens, and focus on watching videos, support 720P, various formats, etc... rather than focusing on hi-fi, since the T51 is the only hi-fi DAP they've released AFAIK, I'm just saying if Hifiman are audiophile, Teclast is videophile... the T51 was an exception to their typical marketing, AFAIK, and an extremely good one too, it sounds a lot better than the HM-601/602, the 2GB version was only $100, AND it has a huge screen for watching movies on it! It's the best product I've bought in my life, in respect to value for money.

 

 


I guess our opinions differ greatly in the 601 vs Sflo2 shoot out ;). While the Sflo2 does sound great it just lacked that smooth analog sound I love in the hifiman 601. We all hear things differently though. I found the Sflo2 to be too digital and fake sounding, showing you the artifacts in the music even (which is from the conversion of digital to analog and not intended to be in the actual recording ;).

 

post #124 of 306

 

Hi Lee730,

 

I mean no disrespect to anyone that loves NOS sound, I don't think I'm even fit to evaluate it, since I didn't join the Hi-Fi scene to go backwards to my first cassette tape player, on the contrary, I want to go forwards in performance, and push the envelope, not throw away my Sabre DAC and relax to the sound of some cassette tapes, LOL.

 

I don't think we hear differently Lee, I think it comes down to our value systems of sound, and what we're seeking in our music.

 

Just like you, I think the HM-601 is analog, smooth and musical, and just like you ,I quite enjoy it, it's just I become suffocated by it's lack of performance.

 

What do you prefer Lee, a flawless audiovisual experience on a VHS tape, or a Blu-Ray with background noise, static post-processing? I think I may prefer the Blu-Ray, and that's why I'm really hoping for the latest DAC chip in the T59 (such as AKM or ESS), plus 24/192 upsampling.

 

That's my version of exotic, not NOS chips.

 

 

post #125 of 306

Guys. the longer I spend with the T51 the more I find myself giving in to the prospect of buying the HM-801 early next year when funds permit. This isn't a criticism of the T51 - far from it - its a realisation that I just *might* be able to get the scale I'm after in a higher-end (trans)portable source. I can see what Mike at Headfonia meant in his review of the T51, but I categorically disagree with his assessment of the Teclast player as 'bass light'.

 

There are many outside Head-Fi who continue to view the HiFiMan players with derision, and I can only imagine what they would think of the T51 / SFLO:2, but I can only assume that they never travel.  I dont really care about the silicon inside the T51 (or the HM-801), but if the Chinese can pull off sound like this in a player that *retails* for $139, what the hell are Apple and Sony doing ??

 

At the risk of repeating old 'news, this is Mike's assessment. I can only suggest that Mike needed to get a few more hours on his T51 and try it with a pair of bassy IEMs - I'm not experiencing any of the 'too polite' issue he mentions at the end.

 

The dual wolfson circuitry of the T51 is definitely a very potent one, and definitely better than the DAC section on the Ipods and the Sony X. The Imod has quite a wide soundstage, but the soundstage of the Teclast still remains more three dimensional than the Imod. The problem with the RWA Imod, is not in the modifications done by RWA. The problem, it seems (I can only guess), to be the digital to analog circuit used in the Ipod. As much as the Ipod has evolved throughout the years, it seems that Apple was improving stuff the non-audio stuff like user interface, exterior design, storage size, while adding other features like video, podcasts, the Genius. For the most part, the RWA mod has improved the sound signature of the standard Ipod, but the same DAC circuitry still remains, and so you’re still stuck with the Ipod sound, that starts to show its limits, once you add high end amplification and headphones at the output side.

 

Okay, the sound quality the T51 seems to be everything I’m looking for in a portable DAC. It’s smooth and slightly warm, yet it remains very lively. What’s amazing is how the T51 presents the soundstage. For the most part, if you aren’t using a resolving enough headphone or IEM, the soundstage of the T51 will sound very close to the HM-801, and for some people, the livelier character of the T51 will even sound more impressive than the relaxed and dark sounding HM-801.

 

I find myself really liking the T51 sound, it’s smooth sounding throughout the frequency range, but never piercing or harsh despite the lively sound. I find that the Ipod has an unnatural presentation on the lower treble and upper midrange. The T51 is so much smoother than the Ipod. I was really impressed with the smooth treble and midrange, the wonderful soundstage of the T51 that I actually “missed” hearing the bass section.

 

Good thing a friend of mine made a comment about the T51′s bass, and he happened to be right! The T51′s bass punch is a little too polite (aka lacking), and even compared to a standard Ipod, the bass feels lacking. It doesn’t have both the Ipod’s bass punch and bass extension. Low bass presence is also missing, definitely less than what I hear through the Ipod (even the Classic). So, where does that leave us now? If you listen to a lot of Accoustic, Vocal, or Jazz, perhaps the wonderful soundstage, treble, and midrange of the Teclast will make up for the lack of bass. My friend, however, loves listening to bass guitar solos, and so the Teclast sound is killing his music.

post #126 of 306

 

TL;DR it seems like he could have been looking for something to justify the price difference between the T51 and the HM-801, so he called it bass light.

 

Either that, or he was looking for a deficiency in the TDA1308 chip, after all he called the HM-101 "bass light" as well, which uses the TDA1308 chip for the HO and LO, the T51 on the other hand uses the higher performance 2604AU for the LO, which he didn't even evaluate?

 

 

estreeter, you can always roll the T51 into OPA627AU, you know... ;) http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/OPA627AU-IC-/290348849644

 

post #127 of 306

IMO set to flat the S:Flo2 did feel a bit bass light compared to an iPod, especially right down the bottom, but I usually used the EQ boost for the 60hz band and that added the rumble I like. However, set to flat and using the LO in conjuction with a couple of amps, even ones without a bass boost like say, the Arrow, there was a very satisfying amount of bass. It may be an IEM impedance thing or something, at least for me.

post #128 of 306

You could always revert to the older firmware  before the newest version. That will give you more bass quantity but it will be a bit looser. Also with this comes slightly less clarity.

post #129 of 306

No way am I going to sacrifice clarity for 'moar bass', especially when I have a dedicated line-out and the ZO on the way. Even if the ZO is the overhype piece-o-plastic I fear it may be, I am perfectly happy with the bass response into my bassier IEMs and cans like the ESW9. Serious bassheads might want more, but I dont consider my own tastes to be anywhere near that extreme.

post #130 of 306

estreeter well done, I see you ordered the EPH-O2 and the Zov2?

 

I'd like to know what you think of the Zov2 from the T51 LO,... I don't really value artificial signals or bass very highly either.

 

 

post #131 of 306
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Originally Posted by kiteki View Post

estreeter well done, I see you ordered the EPH-O2 and the Zov2?

 

I'd like to know what you think of the Zov2 from the T51 LO,... I don't really value artificial signals or bass very highly either.

 

 


Oh, I'll be posting a full report on both of these new toys, plus something I have up my sleeve. Watch this space.  wink.gif

 

post #132 of 306
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Originally Posted by estreeter View Post

Oh, I'll be posting a full report on both of these new toys, plus something I have up my sleeve. Watch this space.  wink.gif

 



I think you'll find the combo to be great. The T51 may not have had too much bass but the quality was definitely there and it did pair quite well with my IE8s for obvious reasons. I would actually consider getting another Sflo2 if they offered it in the 16gb model. I just ordered that Digizoid as well though. Curious to see if it will really improve my music ;).

post #133 of 306
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Lets not talk about the T51...

 

@estreeter: I am curious what you got in store :)

 

@lee730: have fun with you Digizoid :)

 

To get back to the topic of the T59, there is a bit of news. It seems that the T59 will come with line out and digital out.

 

T59 new.jpg

 

EDIT: the source http://bbs.imp3.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=10474731

 

Here is some more:

 

T59.1.jpg

 

T59.2.jpg


Edited by RAFA - 10/25/11 at 2:02am
post #134 of 306
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Originally Posted by RAFA View Post

Lets not talk about the T51...

 

@estreeter: I am curious what you got in store :)

 

@lee730: have fun with you Digizoid :)

 

To get back to the topic of the T59, there is a bit of news. It seems that the T59 will come with line out and digital out.

 

T59 new.jpg

 

EDIT: the source http://bbs.imp3.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=10474731

 

Here is some more:

 

T59.1.jpg

 

T59.2.jpg


Woah, that looks like it would be interesting to use. It's not as big as it looked in the photos but it's not as small as I had hoped for. It reminds me of the portable video players that some airlines allow passengers to rent.

post #135 of 306
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Woah, that looks like it would be interesting to use. It's not as big as it looked in the photos but it's not as small as I had hoped for. It reminds me of the portable video players that some airlines allow passengers to rent.



Skinny jeans can't handle the T59 :) To me too it looks like a very interesting concept. When it is out, I will not wait :D, but it may be released in 2012...

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