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I inadvertently started this all by saying the E7 was "not even close" to getting the 650 to it's potential.  Someone else called that "madness."  (I was stressed all day, as I walked around questioning my own sanity.)  When I got home I took a listen.  The E7 sounds "fine" with the 650s.  But on some pieces that are recorded at relatively low volume (James Newton Howard - Sheffield Labs, for instance) the volume is maxed and (in my purely subjective, unscientific scale of perceived volume[P.S.U.S.P.V]) I'm only 65-70% of the volume that I might occasionally choose to listen to that passage.  It was "moderately loud."  If you're the kind of guy that doesn't crank it for the beginning of Money for Nothing, that may be "close enough."  Occasionally, "cranking it" is important to me so for me the E7 is "not even close."  If the E9 was a 10 (which it isn't to me,) I'd have to subjectively rank the E7 no higher than a 7 because it literally cannot achieve a sufficient volume level to satisfy me.  7 out of 10 isn't failing, but in my opinion it isn't "close to potential" either.  Now this was all based strictly my perception of volume without even considering sound quality.  I'm not trying to suggest that I can hear subtle differences in amps.  I just didn't want the OP to think this is the best his 650s are ever going to sound so he might as well start looking for new HPs.    (He even said he liked the sound signature.)  He has only had them 150 hours.

 

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post #77 of 84

+1 on the e9

post #78 of 84

I never liked the 600s much either, fwiw. I liked the Koss ESP950s better at the time, like 10 years ago. The 650s were a little more resolving to me, but still not my cup of tea.

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I inadvertently started this all by saying the E7 was "not even close" to getting the 650 to it's potential.  Someone else called that "madness."  (I was stressed all day, as I walked around questioning my own sanity.)  When I got home I took a listen.  The E7 sounds "fine" with the 650s.  But on some pieces that are recorded at relatively low volume (James Newton Howard - Sheffield Labs, for instance) the volume is maxed and (in my purely subjective, unscientific scale of perceived volume[P.S.U.S.P.V]) I'm only 65-70% of the volume that I might occasionally choose to listen to that passage.  It was "moderately loud."  If you're the kind of guy that doesn't crank it for the beginning of Money for Nothing, that may be "close enough."  Occasionally, "cranking it" is important to me so for me the E7 is "not even close."  If the E9 was a 10 (which it isn't to me,) I'd have to subjectively rank the E7 no higher than a 7 because it literally cannot achieve a sufficient volume level to satisfy me.  7 out of 10 isn't failing, but in my opinion it isn't "close to potential" either.  Now this was all based strictly my perception of volume without even considering sound quality.  I'm not trying to suggest that I can hear subtle differences in amps.  I just didn't want the OP to think this is the best his 650s are ever going to sound so he might as well start looking for new HPs.    (He even said he liked the sound signature.)  He has only had them 150 hours.

 


Out of 10 then, what would you rate the E9?

 

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Out of 10 then, what would you rate the E9?

 

This question could be better answered by someone who has heard the E9/HD650 and also heard the HD650 sound better with another amplifier.  I don't know what a "10" and the HD650 sound like.  I suspect that the E9 is getting me 90% of the way there (sound wise,) but this is based on speculation, not experience.  I'm willing to put some more into it, but you're talking to a guy who has a $400 bicycle seat, $1000 humidor, and $1000 chess set.  I'm not rich, I simply have a blatant disregard for diminishing returns and like to spoil myself.

 

There are some other things that bug me about the E9 that factor in.  I hear static when turning the volume knob.  The knob rubs on the amplifier body sometimes.  The E7 has no line out without the E9.  You have to turn them on separately.  The bass boost doesn't work when they are together.  (I don't use it anyway, but it should.)  It's ugly.  My decision is also helped by the fact that I was viewing it as a temporary solution when I bought it.  The E7 was purchased on a whim for my M50s, as it was in front of me at some computer mall in Taiwan.  The E9 is a cheap way to make that more powerful, so I grabbed it when I got the 650s.  It will probably become my "desk rig" at work - or I'll sell it to my more practical friend who will think I'm crazy.
 

 

post #81 of 84

I still think that the difference between the HD600's out of an onboard soundcard's amp or an iPod amp, vs a REAL amp, has to be heard to be understood.

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I'm well aware of your stance pp312.

 

 

(Thinks: 'Hmmm, could there be a message in this perhaps...') 

 

 

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I'm not a huge fan of the average OTL with the HD-600. Most of them don't have a firm hand on the bass - it'll bloat and thicken a little. Quality solid state won't do that. When it comes to affordable amps, solid state is the way to go. A Dynalo/Gilmore Lite might not be as special with the mids as tubes, but it's far from bad and overall more cohesive.



Uncle Erik, would you say that the Bottlehead Crack would have a firm hand on the bass? I don't know if it is what you would call an "average OTL".

 

Anyone else, feel free to comment too.

 

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