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Check the latest Head-Fi buyers guide for Jude's impressions of the Essence One and Essence One MUSES :)

 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/a/2012-head-fi-holiday-gift-guide-computer-audio


Edited by ASUSXONAR - 12/18/12 at 5:09am
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Originally Posted by ASUSXONAR View Post

Check the latest Head-Fi buyers guide for Jude's impressions of the Essence One and Essence One MUSES :)

 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/a/2012-head-fi-holiday-gift-guide-computer-audio

 

It was what guaranteed my purchase of the essence one.

 

I cannot find MUSES Edition that is sold in America/Online. So i bought the Essence One with MUSES01 Op Amps instead.

 

I'd like to ask Asus a question:

Was the MUSES01's worth the $300 extra? Considering there is zero/close to no reviews of the MUSES01's anywhere online.

 

If you want, i can make a full in depth review of the Xonar Essence One Muses Edition vs NuForce Icon HDP.

 

Tim


Edited by cssarrow - 12/18/12 at 2:04pm
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Originally Posted by cssarrow View Post

 

If you want, i can make a full in depth review of the Xonar Essence One Muses Edition vs NuForce Icon HDP.

 

Tim

 


I would love to hear a review comparing the two, as the Nuforce Icon HDP was actually what I was considering to buy against the E1. A review would probably help others to decide on which combo would best suit their needs.

 

I ultimately decided on the E1 and am extremely pleased with the results so far, pairs fantastically with my HE500. Still waiting for 4 more LME49720HA I've ordered to switch out my entire I/V and LPF section. Very curious on how the MUSES compared to the LMEs though.

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Originally Posted by Averruncus View Post

 


I would love to hear a review comparing the two, as the Nuforce Icon HDP was actually what I was considering to buy against the E1. A review would probably help others to decide on which combo would best suit their needs.

 

I ultimately decided on the E1 and am extremely pleased with the results so far, pairs fantastically with my HE500. Still waiting for 4 more LME49720HA I've ordered to switch out my entire I/V and LPF section. Very curious on how the MUSES compared to the LMEs though.

You got it!

 

I've had my HDP for nearly a year, so i'll be able to hear all subtle changes when switching DAC/Amps.

Already have a good general sense of it.

 

I'll listen to them for a few days - few weeks.

 

What i'll do:

Compare NuForce Icon HDP vs Essence One

Compare Essence One vs Essence One Muses Edition

Compare Essence One Muses Edition vs NuForce Icon HDP

 

Bonus: Compare Essence One MUSES Edition to NuForce Icon HDP w/ Sigma 11 Linear Power Supply

Thinking about doing: Compare Modi/Magni to all of them.

 

As for now, what i can tell is that the "E1 ME" sounds better than HDP in transparency, seperation, decay, mono in/out phase, bass punchy/tightness, detail, and spatial positioning of sound. HE-500 works better with the essence one. I feel as if the bottleneck (from the lack of wattage) is gone. Less hiss/static at loud volumes compared to the HDP. NuForce is a tad smoother but less emphasis on mid treble, well centered, full, and less neutral.

 

Will expand everything in a full in depth review soon. watch out for it! :D

 

Let me know how the LME49720HA works out.

 

One thing im not clear about is that ASUS switched out six NE5532's in I/V & LFP with MUSES01 which only affects the Balanced XLR and Unbalanced RCA and not the headphone amp right? which means, i would need two more (8 total MUSE01) in order to output all to XLR,RCA, and Headphone correct?

I don't use XLR output as often, so perhaps i switch the XLR's Muses with the headphone's I/V & LFP, should that be possible?

 

Tim


Edited by cssarrow - 12/18/12 at 10:23pm
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Originally Posted by cssarrow View Post

One thing im not clear about is that ASUS switched out six NE5532's in I/V & LFP with MUSES01 which only affects the Balanced XLR and Unbalanced RCA and not the headphone amp right? which means, i would need two more (8 total MUSE01) in order to output all to XLR,RCA, and Headphone correct?

I don't use XLR output as often, so perhaps i switch the XLR's Muses with the headphone's I/V & LFP, should that be possible?

 

Tim

I/V and LPF precedes all outputs - including XLR, RCA and headphones.

All those outputs use high quality opamps that obviously can pass-through Muses created sound.

It would be great if someone from Asus should suggest if there is possible to upgrade muses edition by swapping output IC´s as they made hundreds of combinations during developement.

post #996 of 3016
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Originally Posted by cssarrow View Post

You got it!

 

I've had my HDP for nearly a year, so i'll be able to hear all subtle changes when switching DAC/Amps.

Already have a good general sense of it.

 

I'll listen to them for a few days - few weeks.

 

What i'll do:

Compare NuForce Icon HDP vs Essence One

Compare Essence One vs Essence One Muses Edition

Compare Essence One Muses Edition vs NuForce Icon HDP

 

Bonus: Compare Essence One MUSES Edition to NuForce Icon HDP w/ Sigma 11 Linear Power Supply

Thinking about doing: Compare Modi/Magni to all of them.

 

As for now, what i can tell is that the "E1 ME" sounds better than HDP in transparency, seperation, decay, mono in/out phase, bass punchy/tightness, detail, and spatial positioning of sound. HE-500 works better with the essence one. I feel as if the bottleneck (from the lack of wattage) is gone. Less hiss/static at loud volumes compared to the HDP. NuForce is a tad smoother but less emphasis on mid treble, well centered, full, and less neutral.

 

Will expand everything in a full in depth review soon. watch out for it! :D

 

Let me know how the LME49720HA works out.

 

One thing im not clear about is that ASUS switched out six NE5532's in I/V & LFP with MUSES01 which only affects the Balanced XLR and Unbalanced RCA and not the headphone amp right? which means, i would need two more (8 total MUSE01) in order to output all to XLR,RCA, and Headphone correct?

I don't use XLR output as often, so perhaps i switch the XLR's Muses with the headphone's I/V & LFP, should that be possible?

 

Tim

 

Count me in as interested too :)

 

I have thought about the MUSES but in the end went with much cheaper 4562's, after all Im new to the whole HP hifi thing. Should get them tomorrow. Right now, Im running He'400's out of the essence and am very happy with the results, completely and utterly blows my old Creative Audigy/AKG K240 out of the water :)

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Originally Posted by DMarasovic View Post

I/V and LPF precedes all outputs - including XLR, RCA and headphones.

All those outputs use high quality opamps that obviously can pass-through Muses created sound.

It would be great if someone from Asus should suggest if there is possible to upgrade muses edition by swapping output IC´s as they made hundreds of combinations during developement.

Clarified by Xonar.

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Originally Posted by Pippin76 View Post

 

Count me in as interested too :)

 

I have thought about the MUSES but in the end went with much cheaper 4562's, after all Im new to the whole HP hifi thing. Should get them tomorrow. Right now, Im running He'400's out of the essence and am very happy with the results, completely and utterly blows my old Creative Audigy/AKG K240 out of the water :)

:D It took me some time to think too, wasn't sure the $50 would be worth it, but to me, it has. Makes sound more "live,lifelike,transparent, realism, etc, same word" middle vocals contain a rich detail swavey touch to them. They're not overbearingly clear like some DAC/Amps that are so clear, sometimes it ends up making the treble painful to hear. These are wonderful, extends bass so well. This one does a lot better than the HDP when it comes to making sounds more vinyl(less digital) sounding. Upsampling works great for increase in overall presentation, however with that increase of resolution, the fullness of the mids sounds less superb. I only listen with upsampling on certain songs, like jazz for example. (btw i listen to all genre of music, even kpop and indian music)


Pros worth noteing:

1. Outputs RCA/XLR and Headphone simultaneously (two volume bars) (Fully balanced XLR output)

2. Contains its own linear power supply

3. Looks nice, no sharp edges

4. Upsampling helps with certain songs

5. asynchronous usb for extremely low jitter

6. WIMA & nichicon capacitors, great PCB layout (multiple layers).

7. OP AMP design with consumer in mind (rhymed haha), shares their inner secrets unlike other high end makers and lets people customize the sound to their liking *see con*

8. 2x DAC Chip Texas Instrument BurrBrown PCM1795 does 24bit/192khz (HDP can't do that, nope, nope)

9. Converts music files (with upsampling) to their respected "real" 8 times frequency. (32bit)

10. Not fully enclosed, semi-open back for heat dissipation.

11. Mute Button

12. THD+N at 1kHz at 0.000316 %(-110 dB). VERY LOW. I've seen thousand dollar dac/amps with 0.0005 and up.

13. SNR : 120 dB a very spectacular number.

14. Asus conducts tests of distortion, SNR, etc, on each one of their products, shows you they have the balls to back up their product.

 

Cons worth noteing:

1. For the price, the aluminum casing is great, however they should of made an extra touch and make the buttons/volume nozzle aluminum as well. but really not a big deal.

2. With the giant size of the toroidal & Essence one, they could of increased the power supply pcb size added some more soothing capacitors for better dc output and increase wattage driving power for headphones. I believe the one now has 600mW for 32 ohm headphones, would be nice if it were able to hit the 1W spec for planar (HE-500 and up) As of now, it's good enough to drive the HE-400, LCD-2. I don't have the LCD-3 so i can't say. HE-500 runs "GREAT" on them. However, it may improve with 400mW extra.

3. The MUSES01 is a little overpriced, $50 on digikey, $59.90 on ebay. It makes you wonder how different they sound than their younger brother/sister the MUSES 8920.

4. Not sold everywhere, i found them on Amazon, Ebay, and Newegg. Prices are $575 and over (usually with free shipping). Better to buy off ebay, no tax.

5. Op Amps not explained very well. For a company that makes audiophile dac/amp and has tested numerous op amps, they should of given customers a whole piece of paper on which type of op amp delivers what kind of sound. (talk about a waste of effort not releasing such information)

6. No Remote

 

I just felt like sharing some of these information with you so i can go back and pick out important things i might have missed for my final review.

I was surprised to find out that they had their own Audio Experts Team and keeps it strictly there (they do not consult with other departments in their company. They are also able to get parts cheaper (come on.. we know taiwan makes a large portion of chips) and higher quality control because they are a marketing titan.

 

Tim


Edited by cssarrow - 12/19/12 at 4:58pm
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The MUSES Edition is on sale here:

 

http://www.excaliberpc.com/622377/asus-xonar-essence-one-muses.html

 

 

Amazon and Newegg should have it on sale soon, too.

 

Feel free to compare the op-amps yourself, we found them more refined then others we tried. WRT your later posts in this thread, the diagram you've posted below is not quite right. All outputs are affected by the I/V (obviously) and LPF opamps near the DAC ICs - even the headphone output stage. The power circuitry on the left of the board is 5V, +12 and -12V rails and not distributed the way you show in the picture. 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by cssarrow View Post

 

It was what guaranteed my purchase of the essence one.

 

I cannot find MUSES Edition that is sold in America/Online. So i bought the Essence One with MUSES01 Op Amps instead.

 

I'd like to ask Asus a question:

Was the MUSES01's worth the $300 extra? Considering there is zero/close to no reviews of the MUSES01's anywhere online.

 

If you want, i can make a full in depth review of the Xonar Essence One Muses Edition vs NuForce Icon HDP.

 

Tim

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Originally Posted by ASUSXONAR View Post

Hi,

 

Can you try different USB ports and see if the noise persists? If it does, please provide a list of all components and setup so that I can pass to HQ for replication. Did you have this issue on Windows 7 also?

 

 


Sorry for the late response, finals kept me busy.

 

I tried using different USB ports and it turns out that noise happens the most when I use the front side USB ports. When I plugged it directly at the back there was relatively less noise.

My current setup is Windows 8 64-bit, and Essence one is connected to the USB port, and I have HD800 plugged into its headphone jack.

I used foobar2000 with ASIO output. The buffer length is 50ms.

 

Similar issue was with MacBook Pro (early 2011) using Windows 7 this time in bootcamp. It was significant when I was playing Batman: Arkham City game. I plugged the usb of E1 into a usb hub.

There was also the wireless mouse receiver, and xbox 360 controller plugged in the hub.

At cut scenes, the dialogues sounded very glitchy. Especially when it came to high pitched vocal sounds (like in the catwoman scenes).

When I plugged it in directly into the usb port of my Macbook, the glitchy sound was relatively less.

 

When I used the optical cable, there was no issue whatsoever.

 

 

 

Another very strange issue (well not really a big issue) I have with E1 is that I get loud crackling sound from the right side of my headphone while turning the volume knob. It isn't a fault in headphones because it happens with all my other headphones as well.

The crackling goes away after I turn the volume knob all the way back and forth a about 3 - 4 times, fading after each full turn.

 

Now this only happens when I turn it on after a long time, so lets say when it is cold in the morning and I turn it on fresh.

The crackling doesn't happen though if I turn it off and back on again within a short period of time. I guess its because it stays warm and doesn't get completely cold?

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Edited.


Edited by cssarrow - 1/12/13 at 2:05am
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Originally Posted by ASUSXONAR View Post

Check the latest Head-Fi buyers guide for Jude's impressions of the Essence One and Essence One MUSES :)

 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/a/2012-head-fi-holiday-gift-guide-computer-audio

Thanks for joining the community.

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I have the E One setup on an R4E motherboard, using a 5G USB Wi-Fi dongle and running GTX 570s triple SLI with Arkham City - no glitching or noise via USB using HD800s on headphone output at any sampling frequency or bit rate. Win 7 64 bit. So not sure why you are having these problems. It might be worth trying an RMA and if that does not cure it, the issue has to lie elsewhere on the USB side of the computers you are connecting.  

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Sorry for the late response, finals kept me busy.

 

I tried using different USB ports and it turns out that noise happens the most when I use the front side USB ports. When I plugged it directly at the back there was relatively less noise.

My current setup is Windows 8 64-bit, and Essence one is connected to the USB port, and I have HD800 plugged into its headphone jack.

I used foobar2000 with ASIO output. The buffer length is 50ms.

 

Similar issue was with MacBook Pro (early 2011) using Windows 7 this time in bootcamp. It was significant when I was playing Batman: Arkham City game. I plugged the usb of E1 into a usb hub.

There was also the wireless mouse receiver, and xbox 360 controller plugged in the hub.

At cut scenes, the dialogues sounded very glitchy. Especially when it came to high pitched vocal sounds (like in the catwoman scenes).

When I plugged it in directly into the usb port of my Macbook, the glitchy sound was relatively less.

 

When I used the optical cable, there was no issue whatsoever.

 

 

 

Another very strange issue (well not really a big issue) I have with E1 is that I get loud crackling sound from the right side of my headphone while turning the volume knob. It isn't a fault in headphones because it happens with all my other headphones as well.

The crackling goes away after I turn the volume knob all the way back and forth a about 3 - 4 times, fading after each full turn.

 

Now this only happens when I turn it on after a long time, so lets say when it is cold in the morning and I turn it on fresh.

The crackling doesn't happen though if I turn it off and back on again within a short period of time. I guess its because it stays warm and doesn't get completely cold?

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Originally Posted by ASUSXONAR View Post

I have the E One setup on an R4E motherboard, using a 5G USB Wi-Fi dongle and running GTX 570s triple SLI with Arkham City - no glitching or noise via USB using HD800s on headphone output at any sampling frequency or bit rate. Win 7 64 bit. So not sure why you are having these problems. It might be worth trying an RMA and if that does not cure it, the issue has to lie elsewhere on the USB side of the computers you are connecting.  

ASUS recreating an event.

 

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Originally Posted by ASUSXONAR View Post

I have the E One setup on an R4E motherboard, using a 5G USB Wi-Fi dongle and running GTX 570s triple SLI with Arkham City - no glitching or noise via USB using HD800s on headphone output at any sampling frequency or bit rate. Win 7 64 bit. So not sure why you are having these problems. It might be worth trying an RMA and if that does not cure it, the issue has to lie elsewhere on the USB side of the computers you are connecting.  


How do I go along with trying the RMA?

I got my E One from local NCIX store in April, should I take it back to them or is there any Asus service center in Canada?

post #1005 of 3016

Started testing out the Essence One for Review.

 

Finished running with all stock op-amps yesterday. - Added to review

Currently using running with MUSES01 in LFP and I/V (1 & 2 on guide) the rest, stock op-amps.'

 

Will try AD797 and OPA627 in certain areas if they can get stable enough.

So far so good, sound is Fubartastic with the MUSES01 op-amps.

Very large improvement over the stock, less bass-heavy. More Neutral & 3D Sounding. Larger sound stage and detail.

(Compared to the NuForce Icon HDP w/ Sigma 11)

 

OPA627 a little too digital sounding to my ears. will let them burn in.

AD797 sounded Fantastic, however, very very hot. (Not a good idea for continuous use)

OPA2132 a little bright, can't say that i hate it though.

 

Headphones: HE-500, HE-400, AKG K702, Sennheiser HD-650/600, and some cheap Razer Orca. (muhaha)

Cables:Oyaide P-004 & C-004 Power Cable & "Audiophile" Grade USB Cable

OP-Amps: AD797B, OPA627, NE5532, LM4562/LME49720NA, OPA2132

 

Can't say that i hear any noticeable improvements with the new cables, but it's nice to have well shielded cables. Especially when they're made with silver plated 99.99% OFC wires and 5% silver solder. Calms the soul a little, knowing that the cables being used are not affecting the sounds that are being produced by the Essence One unit.

 

Would like to try some LME49710HA if i could get my hands on some to place it in the headphone amp directory.

 

Once i conclude everything, i will post a full review. [with pictures]

 

Tim


Edited by cssarrow - 12/23/12 at 3:54am
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