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post #2461 of 3069

Huh, well aside from what one persons hears and what another doenst, I say unless you own BOTH a base E1 AND a MUSES01 E1 and can compare them side by side there is really no way to get a truth tell on the improvement youre getting with the MUSES01s.

post #2462 of 3069
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Originally Posted by shyamelge View Post

Wow! 30-40 percent up from 4562 is a huge jump.

Perhaps that's why, muses command  a hefty premium over other op amps. 

If one conclusion I could draw from your experience is that rather than spending money (and time) on trying a number of lower-priced op amps, it is better to buy muses in one go and settle the matter, at least for a considerable time till another new hi-end op amp surfaces and ups the competition.

Yeah that's correct, I don't think I'll ever use my other op amps now.

I was lucky enough to get mine from a headfier here called"Gandah"! wink.gif
Edited by DMax99 - 8/10/13 at 9:38am
post #2463 of 3069
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post

Huh, well aside from what one persons hears and what another doenst, I say unless you own BOTH a base E1 AND a MUSES01 E1 and can compare them side by side there is really no way to get a truth tell on the improvement youre getting with the MUSES01s.

I was a bit skeptical before when I read other people here saying how good the Muses01 are compared to the other op amps. But now I have it I do really prefer them to the other ones!
post #2464 of 3069

Which HPs you used while testing muses?

 

Which other op amps you got? Are these available to forum members for sale?

 

Gandah: from where you procured muses?

post #2465 of 3069
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Originally Posted by shyamelge View Post

Which HPs you used while testing muses?

Which other op amps you got? Are these available to forum members for sale?

Gandah: from where you procured muses?

I used to use my DT880 600 ohms for testing, but tonight I used my new favorite headphone: K340

Gandah has posted an ebay link to which he got the Muses01 in one of post here.
post #2466 of 3069

I had the opportunity to use a Xonar Essence One Muses Edition here at home and compare it with my HDVD 800, using both my speakers (B&W CM 8 with two subs) and HD 800. I never used the headamp on the Essence One, instead I connected it via XLR to the balanced inputs on the HDVD 800 and used the amp section with my balanced HD 800 headphones. The RCA outputs on the Essence One were connected to the Main In input on my Nad C 375 amp, so I was using the Essence One as a pre-amp for my speakers.

 

The difference between the two dacs was quite big. The Essence One Muses Edition had a thick bassy sound that seemed to emphasize instruments and visceral impact over vocals and neutral balance. It wasn't a slight emphasis either, as it was hard to make out what vocalists were singing in some parts with the Essence One, while the HDVD 800 dac presented the songs much more clearly. I'd describe it as the HDVD 800 presenting the sound with neutral clarity and precision, while the Essence One instead presented the emotional intentions of the artists.

 

There's no doubt I enjoyed the music more with the Essence One, but also no doubt that I could hear much more clearly what was going on with the HDVD 800. The Essence One sound didn't seem sloppy or anything. It sounded more organic and in most cases more natural, even if it clearly wasn't neutral. The HDVD 800 dac sounded more "digital", or I guess more like a scientific instrument than something made to enjoy music with. In almost all genres the Essence One was more fun to listen to, while the HDVD 800 just seemed a bit boring in comparison, even if the mids and highs were presented with more clarity. I'm tempted to get a Essence One Muses Edition now since the style of sound was so different from the HDVD 800 that it'd be fun to have both flavors of sound available to listen to.

post #2467 of 3069

I highly recommend trying out OPA2227 in I/V and LME49990 in LPF's if you cannot afford the MUSES and/or want a clean and deeper bass including a great soundstage.

This combo have been my favorite since quite some time now.

 

@TheManko: Thanks a lot for your impressions. I was thinking about upgrading to a HDVD800 but it turns out that I will stay with my E1 for now... :)


Edited by Kenion - 8/10/13 at 11:59am
post #2468 of 3069
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post

Huh, well aside from what one persons hears and what another doenst, I say unless you own BOTH a base E1 AND a MUSES01 E1 and can compare them side by side there is really no way to get a truth tell on the improvement youre getting with the MUSES01s.

Takeaway what you want..... With my time with the E1 opamp combo rolling I agree 100% with DMax99 30-40% difference, maybe I would even say more than 40%, the E1 muses combo is that GOOD.

 

Now that I have replaced my E1 with a much more high-end dac being Calyx Femto, as good as this dac is in all areas compared to the E1 muses, there is one thing I'm missing that the Muses has over this dac and that is a very smooth top-end

 

I can honestly say the muses out superior any opamp I have ever rolled, and I don't even own E1 anymore so I'm non-biased


Edited by Gandah - 8/10/13 at 11:24pm
post #2469 of 3069
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Originally Posted by Kenion View Post

I highly recommend trying out OPA2227 in I/V and LME49990 in LPF's if you cannot afford the MUSES and/or want a clean and deeper bass including a great soundstage.

This combo have been my favorite since quite some time now.

 

@TheManko: Thanks a lot for your impressions. I was thinking about upgrading to a HDVD800 but it turns out that I will stay with my E1 for now... :)

Since 49990 requires soldering, which other op amp of DIP8 type would you suggest as an alternative?

 

Did you also try 2132 in I/V stage as recommended by many members? If yes, kindly share the experience. 

post #2470 of 3069

To avoid any damage to opamps during rolling, I am buying 12 pieces of DIP IC socket (http://www.ebay.com/itm/390422337315?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 )

 

My questions: Do I need to solder the op amps on these sockets? Or should I just put them into the sockets and they remain stable there unless I put EI upside down?. 

post #2471 of 3069
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Originally Posted by shyamelge View Post
If one conclusion I could draw from your experience is that rather than spending money (and time) on trying a number of lower-priced op amps, it is better to buy muses in one go and settle the matter, at least for a considerable time till another new hi-end op amp surfaces and ups the competition.

Amen!   I did a lot of swapping before going for the Muses.  Did get a lot of samples but still had to buy many opamp as the limit on free samples is 3 chips.  In addition I had to acquire single to dual adapters, solder the chips in place, etc.   Would have been much easier  and less costly to got directly for the Muses, however, like most of you,  I didn't see putting out that kind of money any had hope that something less expensive would satisfy me.   Satisfaction was elusive and once I decided to spring for the Muses I couldn't believe the difference and recommend it wholeheartedly. 


Edited by endeeinn - 8/11/13 at 6:04pm
post #2472 of 3069
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Originally Posted by shyamelge View Post

To avoid any damage to opamps during rolling, I am buying 12 pieces of DIP IC socket (http://www.ebay.com/itm/390422337315?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 )

 

My questions: Do I need to solder the op amps on these sockets? Or should I just put them into the sockets and they remain stable there unless I put EI upside down?. 


No soldering needed with those sockets, you just jam the IC into those pins and they are damn near permanent in there. Its pretty tough to get them out of those sockets some times.

post #2473 of 3069
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Originally Posted by shyamelge View Post

To avoid any damage to opamps during rolling, I am buying 12 pieces of DIP IC socket (http://www.ebay.com/itm/390422337315?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
 )

My questions: Do I need to solder the op amps on these sockets? Or should I just put them into the sockets and they remain stable there unless I put EI upside down?. 

Yeah they are very good and just like those sockets on the e1, you can just pop the op amps on them. They are a must for me, make rolling so much easier!
post #2474 of 3069
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Originally Posted by TheManko View Post

I had the opportunity to use a Xonar Essence One Muses Edition here at home and compare it with my HDVD 800, using both my speakers (B&W CM 8 with two subs) and HD 800. I never used the headamp on the Essence One, instead I connected it via XLR to the balanced inputs on the HDVD 800 and used the amp section with my balanced HD 800 headphones. The RCA outputs on the Essence One were connected to the Main In input on my Nad C 375 amp, so I was using the Essence One as a pre-amp for my speakers.

 

The difference between the two dacs was quite big. The Essence One Muses Edition had a thick bassy sound that seemed to emphasize instruments and visceral impact over vocals and neutral balance. It wasn't a slight emphasis either, as it was hard to make out what vocalists were singing in some parts with the Essence One, while the HDVD 800 dac presented the songs much more clearly. I'd describe it as the HDVD 800 presenting the sound with neutral clarity and precision, while the Essence One instead presented the emotional intentions of the artists.

 

There's no doubt I enjoyed the music more with the Essence One, but also no doubt that I could hear much more clearly what was going on with the HDVD 800. The Essence One sound didn't seem sloppy or anything. It sounded more organic and in most cases more natural, even if it clearly wasn't neutral. The HDVD 800 dac sounded more "digital", or I guess more like a scientific instrument than something made to enjoy music with. In almost all genres the Essence One was more fun to listen to, while the HDVD 800 just seemed a bit boring in comparison, even if the mids and highs were presented with more clarity. I'm tempted to get a Essence One Muses Edition now since the style of sound was so different from the HDVD 800 that it'd be fun to have both flavors of sound available to listen to.

Funny you mention this as I was saving up for the HDVD 800 at the start of the year. Lucky for me someone on the HDVD800 thread bought one. He also had the Essence One Muses and was trying to sale it off in the trade/amp section after he bought the HDVD800. After 3-4 week, he withdraw the ad and ended up selling the HDVD800 and some other high end DAC. He stating out of the 3 he enjoy the sound from the XE1 Muses. I was so lucky to come across his post on the thread and ended up with the XE1 and had enough money to get the LCD3 instead of the HDVD800. Your comment only only cemented that I made the right decision to not get the HDVD800.

 

Thank you.

post #2475 of 3069
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Originally Posted by Gandah View Post

Takeaway what you want..... With my time with the E1 opamp combo rolling I agree 100% with DMax99 30-40% difference, maybe I would even say more than 40%, the E1 muses combo is that GOOD.

 

Now that I have replaced my E1 with a much more high-end dac being Calyx Femto, as good as this dac is in all areas compared to the E1 muses, there is one thing I'm missing that the Muses has over this dac and that is a very smooth top-end

 

I can honestly say the muses out superior any opamp I have ever rolled, and I don't even own E1 anymore so I'm non-biased

Congrats on your new DAC (Is the Calyx Femto based on the ES9018 dac?). What happened to your E1 did ASUS ended up refunding you or something?

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