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post #2116 of 3016
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Originally Posted by Quaintative View Post
I know the headphone section doesn't go through the muses, would it be better to drive the headphones through the muses speaker out->headphone amp?

Muses are at DAC section so everything goes through them. Signal chain is: INPUT (USB, SPDIF, COAX) -> DAC (Muses) -> OUTPUT (XLR, RCA, Headphone)

post #2117 of 3016
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Originally Posted by DMarasovic View Post

Muses are at DAC section so everything goes through them. Signal chain is: INPUT (USB, SPDIF, COAX) -> DAC (Muses) -> OUTPUT (XLR, RCA, Headphone)

Oops,

 

Anyway, anybody have experience with how the E1 Muses treates HD600/HD650s and the like?

post #2118 of 3016
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Originally Posted by Quaintative View Post

Hi, I'm not sure anyone covered this already (a thread search came up unconclusive), but:

 

How does the E1 treat HD600 and HD650s directly from the headphone amp section? What about LCD2/3's?

 

I know the headphone section doesn't go through the muses, would it be better to drive the headphones through the muses speaker out->headphone amp?

 

I thought the Muses paired really well with the LCD-2s.

 

Especially with the LME49710HA's at the headphone outs.

post #2119 of 3016
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Originally Posted by Quaintative View Post

Hi, I'm not sure anyone covered this already (a thread search came up unconclusive), but:

 

How does the E1 treat HD600 and HD650s directly from the headphone amp section? What about LCD2/3's?

 

I know the headphone section doesn't go through the muses, would it be better to drive the headphones through the muses speaker out->headphone amp?

 

I have tried the LCD-3's that I have previously owned with the regular E1 (and with modded opamps) but I wasn't that impressed with it.

I don't think the E1 is a good match with the LCD-3's as it doesen't really show what these headphones are capabale of and in what aspects they are better over the LCD-2, which are easier to drive as well.

Don't get me wrong, the LCD-3 still sounded great with the E1 but just not as good as they could get with a diffrent amp I have tried previously.

I think the LCD-2's are the way to go with the E1 in my opinion (and of course the HD-800 which are just a wonderful match with this headphone amplifier!) wink.gif

post #2120 of 3016
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Originally Posted by Kenion View Post

 

I have tried the LCD-3's that I have previously owned with the regular E1 (and with modded opamps) but I wasn't that impressed with it.

I don't think the E1 is a good match with the LCD-3's as it doesen't really show what these headphones are capabale of and in what aspects they are better over the LCD-2, which are easier to drive as well.

Don't get me wrong, the LCD-3 still sounded great with the E1 but just not as good as they could get with a diffrent amp I have tried previously.

I think the LCD-2's are the way to go with the E1 in my opinion (and of course the HD-800 which are just a wonderful match with this headphone amplifier!) wink.gif

I have to say I'm not a fan of the LCD 2.2 the soundstage is nearly nonexistent compared to LCD 3 or HD800s, hell I would even say a lot of closed back HPs are better at soundstage than LCD 2.2

post #2121 of 3016

Guys i'm new to the audio world..

And i ordered my first pair of expensive headphones ever.

The T5p's.. previously my max was  $230 for a wireless Senheiser. Kleer technology headphones..

 

As a ict unix expert i believe in the scientific method. And that psychology plays a big part in all things we do.

 

Good application of the method and limiting the psychological effect we bring to a test is nearly impossible. And extremely hard to do.. For one there are few people and companies really interested in such research involving blind tests ..Real blind test are really hard to do!!

 

This get's me to my point..

i got the Beyerdynamic headphones not just because they sound good ..!

Hell i have not even heard them, no stores carries them..

i ordered mine 5weeks ago! and they are not in yet !

 

So why did i order them? well because i can and they are the best that Beyerdynamic 

has to offer i guess !

i wanted closed and as open soundstage as possible..

perhaps i could have gotten a cheaper model from them and have gotten the same result!?

 

There is now real way to now ….

 

And now i'm at the point of buying myself new hardware to complete the package.

The goal is get audio out of my mac. using iTunes VLC player and perhaps buying the expensive software "Audirvana+" ..

 

Doing sum research i found out that opamps don't sound different one made in texas is not different from a muses made in china.. (hold on i'm not done yet)

 

Guys like nwavguy and sites like gearslutz are correct..

BUT what they both say and heres the kicker the big thing..

The implementation the circuit next to them give the sound difference.

 

So what do i care ? Nope i don't because i can not change the world..

if a company chooses to use expensive opamps like muses 01..

And then claim that it sounds better and bla,bla,bla..

 

they can be 100% right and so are the critics , like nwavguy and sites like gearslutz.

Because the implementation of the opamps can be better balanced and for all intense and per pose be a better product..Using the same parts.. Labor research time also costs $$ ..

 

if one want's to call it opamps and i want to call it Labor+research+better implantation..The end result can be the same..

 

But would i hear the difference ? i mean between a muses edition and the previous edition?

The only difference are the opamps implementation and so on..

the first one costs $465 and second one $925..

That's a big difference !!

 

And that's $$ i'm probably going to spend on audio anyway hahaha..

Perhaps get the JDS C5 and so on and so on..Consume consume consume baby ..

Carpe diem !!

 

So my point ??? pfff 

Don't know if i have one ..maybe to tired from al the reading and research to make a point. ;-(

The more i read the more i found out i need to read…

 

for example wanted to get the Fiio E12 mont blanc..

But all the reviews claim the soundstage is not that open…

Contacted JDS Labs for the C5 selling in the EU is not ready yet …Don't want the customs hassle!

 

So now i guess i will settle for one of the Asus models …

Simply because i like the method that ASUS uses to present there products on there site…

As a tech nurd i love Asus hahahah …sorry i'm a slave to my own brain !!

 

slogans like:

- Bit-perfect audio support..

- ADT SDT transfer (see the asus product page…)

- Balanced XLR output (for the day i get my first LCD2 or HE-500)..

 

So i now that despite the fact that it can not be proven, that the new opamps are the factor for better sound quality by them self ..i realize that the implementation or the whole package does effect or can effect the SQ..

 

So where does dis leave me ?? Well really tired and no closer to 100% clarity ..

i must say i don't know how you all audio guys do it ?

without getting mad !! to manny choices and to manny variables..

pfff my it world is much easer …

 

thanks for letting me speak my mind..it's kind of therapeutic ..

Head-Fi ..the forum where i save therapy $$ to spend on audio gear !! hahahhaha

oh life …

 

greets S.


Edited by smpie - 5/18/13 at 3:02am
post #2122 of 3016

If you don't believe in rolling op amps I'm not sure the E1 will be for you. 

And honestly I think discussions about stuff like this might be for the sound sciences forum.

 

And the Balanced XLR's are not really meant for headphones so not sure what kind of performance you will get out of them.

post #2123 of 3016
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Originally Posted by mwindham08 View Post

If you don't believe in rolling op amps I'm not sure the E1 will be for you. 

And honestly I think discussions about stuff like this might be for the sound sciences forum.

 

And the Balanced XLR's are not really meant for headphones so not sure what kind of performance you will get out of them.

 

 

Well that's exactly my point  ;-)

believing or not  believing is that not in the realm of what i can prove ?

i usually question myself and my opinions.

 

i don't think it's sciences per se . But rather a healthy dose of looking in the mirror and asking my self

Why do you think A is better dan B.

 

My reasoning is not to fire up a heated scientific discussion..

But rather hope others have giving the matter some thought and can give me sum advice 

and sum logic to why A could be Better dan B..

 

I't sounds like i need an excuse to spend more $$ but i rather spend the correct amount of $$

on one thing and perhaps more on something else..

 

i figured that with the combined brain power en experience in this forum this was the only place i can go to for the correct advice and info..

 

I love reading about gadgets getting them..

but as you al know .. there are a lot of nice things out there..

And all of them compete for our attention and not to mention $$ so 

i will take any help i can get !!

post #2124 of 3016

If you search this thread there are multiple impressions of different op amps if you want to know others opinions.

There is even a review on the Essence One Muses Edition if you are so inclined.

http://www.head-fi.org/products/asus-xonar-essence-one-muses-edition

 

But again if you want others to try to justify why they think a certain op amp is better than the other, or if spending more money on op amps is a waste, this is not the thread.

 

Clearly those who are buying the E1 and buying different op amps have already given the matter some thought and came to their own conclusions.

 

Here is an entire thread dealing with op amps that sounds like what you are looking for.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/559988/why-do-opamps-sound-different

post #2125 of 3016

Well thanks for the info i guess.

never mind i give up..

post #2126 of 3016

Wait i forget are you telling me that if i would get something like the LCD2 and the HifiMan HE-500

i can not use the balanced out ???

 

That's one of the main attraction of the Asus..

 

So just balanced for active monitors?

 

 

there is no adapter or something like that one could use?

perhaps to a 4pin something..or is this just stupid ? perhaps there is no headphone amp signal of something …?

 

i don't know excuse me ..

 

oh yeah i already read the review..And i like the 6moons review also..Good positive reviews al over the place for

all products i'm looking at ..so no issue on there.. yep i even can find them without to much trouble hahahha

 

post #2127 of 3016
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Originally Posted by smpie View Post

 

 

Well that's exactly my point  ;-)

believing or not  believing is that not in the realm of what i can prove ?

i usually question myself and my opinions.

 

i don't think it's sciences per se . But rather a healthy dose of looking in the mirror and asking my self

Why do you think A is better dan B.

 

My reasoning is not to fire up a heated scientific discussion..

But rather hope others have giving the matter some thought and can give me sum advice 

and sum logic to why A could be Better dan B..

 

I't sounds like i need an excuse to spend more $$ but i rather spend the correct amount of $$

on one thing and perhaps more on something else..

 

i figured that with the combined brain power en experience in this forum this was the only place i can go to for the correct advice and info..

 

I love reading about gadgets getting them..

but as you al know .. there are a lot of nice things out there..

And all of them compete for our attention and not to mention $$ so 

i will take any help i can get !!

As much as I hate to admit it, I'm pretty sure I buy audio equipment like this not because I can quantify that A is better than B. I bought the E1 muses because of the excellent reviews and because it was noted by people who have heard and tested a LOT more equipment than me - that it is a great deal and great bang-for-the-buck investment in terms of sound quality.

 

I could afford it, so I bought it.

 

Now it's making me need a new pair of headphones and speakers. 8 year old SR-325i's, a 10 year old pair of HD590s and some Radio Shack Yamahas are seriously not doing the thing justice because I can hear the detail through the HD590s that I'm missing through the 325s and the yamahas. So I'll buy some floorstanders and maybe a pair of HD600s when I can afford them.

 

But basically, I've come to the conclusion that I'm never going to be one of those guys who's going to be able to test of sets of equipment in multiple permutations. I'm just going to putter around making the best purchases I can possibly make, and enjoy the hobby for what it is: a hobby that I've used to replace the feeling I used to get from performing music beyersmile.png.

 

Without destroying my wallet.

 

I can't afford the Hifiman He-500s yet, and I haven't heard any Ortho headphones yet, so I'll probably get a pair of HD600s. The resale value on them is really good, so it's a good investment either way. Maybe I'll sell the SR-325i's, but they're such good old friends beerchug.gif.

post #2128 of 3016

Anybody else with an E1.... did you guys notice a difference in the highs when you used the headphone out versus the RCA-->amp--> headphone out? Namely, the headphone out sounds shrill compared to the RCA out?

 

Is this a real effect or does this lessen as the machine burns in?

post #2129 of 3016

Any differences I heard from the RCA out I attributed to the amp I was using so I really couldn't say for sure.

 

Does your RCA outs and headphone outs have different op amps? 

 

I had the LME49710HA's at both RCA and headphone outs and noticed similar changes through the E1's headphone out and through the amp I had connected to the E1.

post #2130 of 3016

Well, both the headphone amp section of the E1 and the amp that I have (parasound Zamp) use torodial transformers, so that part of both designs is similar.

 

Beyond that, I don't have much to compare design-wise.

 

I'm using a stock Muses, so I presume this to be my setup:

 Balanced/ Un-balanced I/V:4 x MUSES 01

● Balanced/ Un-balanced LFP: 2 x MUSES 01

● Balanced/ Un-balanced Buffer: 3 x LM4562NA
● Headphone: 2 x LME49600

 

Which is from the Asus website... that's different from the LME49710HA's that mwindham08 has been referring to...

 

I'm not sure what I/V, LFP, and Buffer refer to. Still learning this stuff.

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