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post #2026 of 3011
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post

Well, rolling the headamp gain between the high & low positions changes SQ quite a bit tbh("high" providing a bassier & punchier sound and "low" sounding thinner & mellower).......and so does the improved pot apparently, so you may wanna try both positions with each of the reviewed phones again IMHO.....and if you don't have the headamp gain switch altogether then this is not a review of a retail Muses unit.

Personally, I believe it's good practice to only post pictures of the reviewed unit in order to avoid confusion...especially when you post an internal picture of a non-retail unit wink_face.gif

Have not confirmed this is a non retail unit.
post #2027 of 3011
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Originally Posted by Gandah View Post


However, I have to ask this question, because you say you have to confirm which version was shipped. To me your review really sounds like the Plus Edition, could this in anyway be true? The Plus is bright and has less bass than the Standard or Muses Edition

Good question. Will try to confirm ASAP.
post #2028 of 3011
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Originally Posted by The Monkey View Post

Have not confirmed this is a non-retail unit.


Got that, but then you'd still wanna try boh headamp gain positions before making such peremptory statements IMHO because they sound very much different from one another IME wink.gif

post #2029 of 3011
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Originally Posted by leeperry View Post


Got that, but then you'd still wanna try boh headamp gain positions before making such peremptory statements IMHO because they sound very much different from one another IME wink.gif

Disagree. At some point one has enough of the flavor of a component and we're just gonna have to agree to disagree on that. Some reviews tend to lose the big picture in the minutiae, IMO, and while appealing to some, are unhelpful to others. That's why the more the merrier. Plus, the article links to this thread so the reader has plenty of information at his or her disposal. I'm just another data point (as is everyone else of course). But thanks for your observations, all of which I take seriously.
post #2030 of 3011

True dat, but so far we don't even known whether you tried a retail unit and I rest my case that the headphones output of the retail Muses edition sounds drastically different depending on the headamp gain position(especially with dynamic phones). And again, posting an internal non-retail pic you apparently found on the web doesn't help making it any less confusing.....anyway, yes we all have our own opinion and maybe I'd feel the same if I had tried a non-retail unit(which you might have for all we know so far).

 

Looking forward to an update on your side if you feel it necessary then, otherwise no biggy but before making peremptory statements in public I personally ensure that all options were weighted in. 

 

Peace happy_face1.gif


Edited by leeperry - 4/28/13 at 10:25am
post #2031 of 3011
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Originally Posted by Gandah View Post

 

 

However, I have to ask this question, because you say you have to confirm which version was shipped. To me your review really sounds like the Plus Edition, could this in anyway be true? The Plus is bright and has less bass than the Standard or Muses Edition

 

 

Thanks again for asking this question.  I have confirmed that the unit is the Standard Edition, but with the Muses chips installed.  So according to Asus, the only difference is the gain jumper (no mention of attenuator).  This is a retail unit.  I have updated the article accordingly.

post #2032 of 3011
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Originally Posted by The Monkey View Post

 

 

Thanks again for asking this question.  I have confirmed that the unit is the Standard Edition, but with the Muses chips installed.  So according to Asus, the only difference is the gain jumper (no mention of attenuator).  This is a retail unit.  I have updated the article accordingly.

Wow ok, I'm sorry but just can't understand your review when you talk about the lack of bass and being to bright, To me with what I hear that's a complete contradiction, but hey if that's what you hear, that's what you hear

 

My E1 is the standard rolled muses, same as your reviewed unit,  I would say tight punchy deep bass and very smooth detailed mid and highs

post #2033 of 3011
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Originally Posted by Gandah View Post

Wow ok, I'm sorry but just can't understand your review when you talk about the lack of bass and being to bright, To me with what I hear that's a complete contradiction, but hey if that's what you hear, that's what you hear

 

No need to be sorry.  You hear it differently.  (What phones, btw?)   Some will be more familiar with my tastes and some with yours and will let that be their guide.

post #2034 of 3011

Fostex TH900s are my main HP, and I have tried the HD800s, I have T1s here on lone but they are balanced 4pin to my GS-X mk2 so don't know how the T1s sound out of the E1 HP amp


Edited by Gandah - 4/28/13 at 8:07pm
post #2035 of 3011
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Fostex TH900s are my main HP, and I have tried the HD800s, I have T1s here on lone but they are balanced 4pin to my GS-X mk2

 

I don't have a pair of TH900s on me, otherwise I'd give 'em a try.  I'd be interested if you could try the LCD-2 out of it.  I had the T1 on loan a while back.   Not a fan. How do you like it with the GS-X?

post #2036 of 3011

To remove the bias of headphone drivers... would the best way to evaluate a system like this be to test it with electrostatics? Or are all electrostatics just far too expensive (ie. if you had electrostatics, why would you bother with something like the E1?)

 

What about orthos?

 

I mean, what else can give a better neutral response to use as a suitable test headphones? IEMs?

 

We can't really compensate that well for people's ears....

post #2037 of 3011

Not sure what you mean w/r/t testing with stats. Do you mean testing only the DAC section running through a stat amp?

post #2038 of 3011

Haven't yet tried the LCD2s but have tried LCD3s twice just not with my own gear

 

The GS-X is very transparent which gives good instrument separation, also airy like with female vocals you feel their breath between runs especially with HD music, but the best thing its extremely natural in presentation, knowing this gives you the ability to be completely open to any source be it colored or uncolored

post #2039 of 3011
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Originally Posted by The Monkey View Post

Not sure what you mean w/r/t testing with stats. Do you mean testing only the DAC section running through a stat amp?

Well, yeah. I mean, how do you benchmark a DAC? I mean, there's always the scientific measurement and the subjective measurement.

 

I figure scientific measures are scientific measures, which are a good start in evaluating quality... and our ears are not scientifically accurate, so beyond a certain point, can scientific measures tell us that a dac is "technically good enough" in comparison to what we can percieve?

 

Subjectively, wouldn't it make sense to remove the impact of the headphone influencing the sound as much as possible by using auditory tools/headphones/speakers which reproduce the sound as faithfully as possible?

post #2040 of 3011
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Originally Posted by Gandah View Post

Wow ok, I'm sorry but just can't understand your review when you talk about the lack of bass and being to bright, To me with what I hear that's a complete contradiction, but hey if that's what you hear, that's what you hear

 

My E1 is the standard rolled muses, same as your reviewed unit,  I would say tight punchy deep bass and very smooth detailed mid and highs


I just received the new "revised" version of the Muses edition and I would have to completely agree with you.  E1 Muses is far from from bright.  It sounds very smooth and lush.

 

However, my previous Muses edition was on the bright side and the bass was kind of thin too.  I don't know if I received a defective unit or what, but that's what it sounded like.  I was thinking it is possible I might have received the Plus edition wrapped in a Muses box? confused_face(1).gifI never really did open it up to confirm the op-amps.

 

But whatever issues I had with my old Muses have been resolved.  The new Muses I received directly from ASUS a few days ago has tight bass and detailed mids and highs.  It's a very smooth sound.  Non-fatiguing.

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