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The dial is set at 9 o'clock on mine for both the HD650 and LCD-2. It's a safe and comfortable level for extended listening without sacrificing dynamics. Loud brickwalled recordings play at around 76dBA average with extreme peaks measured at 80dBA for very brief passages. Chain is in my sig. Volume measured with an SPL metre enclosing the headphone cup with a disc at the end of the mic.

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bifrost.
 



 


You really recommend it i'm guessing? Looks like i'm getting it for sure for now. I'm just trying to see how the amp/pair with other headphones, I want the hifiman to be my last headphones, but knowing me i'll probably want to spend more. 

 

post #2208 of 2389
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Originally Posted by AppleDappleman View Post


You really recommend it i'm guessing? Looks like i'm getting it for sure for now. I'm just trying to see how the amp/pair with other headphones, I want the hifiman to be my last headphones, but knowing me i'll probably want to spend more. 

 


If you really want something warmer than you can look at the Music Streamer II+. You're going to lose neutrality, transparency, and probably a little detail though. 

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I'd like to do some A-B-testing between my LYR and my Matrix Quattro amp. I'm fairly certain I prefer my Lyr, I just want to be sure so I can downgrade and stick with one amp. 

 

My question is - should I be worried about inserting / taking out the 1/4" plug from the Lyr when it's on, even when the volume knob is set to zero volume? I don't really know what to expect / be afraid of. 

 

Oh - another thing. Do you sometimes experience a audible "pop" sound when powering on the Lyr? I have no idea why I just get that sound through my phones some times - it's not really consistent at all. I don't really know how loud it is - and the times I've worn the phones when powered on the amp, I haven't really heard anything out of the ordinary when the amp kicks in after the grace period. 

 

In other news - dear god the amp looks great and sounds fantastic on my LCD-2's. Dac-wise I guess I'm just waiting for Schiit to release something new. Currently sitting on a Cambridge DacMagic - what I expect to be the weakest component for my by far right now. I've looked into the newly released Nad M-51 Dac (35-bit ... woha) but I don't even know how much difference I will hear going from the DacMagic, so I'm very much sitting on the fence right now. 

post #2210 of 2389
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Originally Posted by Vargtass View Post

I'd like to do some A-B-testing between my LYR and my Matrix Quattro amp. I'm fairly certain I prefer my Lyr, I just want to be sure so I can downgrade and stick with one amp. 

 

My question is - should I be worried about inserting / taking out the 1/4" plug from the Lyr when it's on, even when the volume knob is set to zero volume? I don't really know what to expect / be afraid of. 

 

Oh - another thing. Do you sometimes experience a audible "pop" sound when powering on the Lyr? I have no idea why I just get that sound through my phones some times - it's not really consistent at all. I don't really know how loud it is - and the times I've worn the phones when powered on the amp, I haven't really heard anything out of the ordinary when the amp kicks in after the grace period. 

 

In other news - dear god the amp looks great and sounds fantastic on my LCD-2's. Dac-wise I guess I'm just waiting for Schiit to release something new. Currently sitting on a Cambridge DacMagic - what I expect to be the weakest component for my by far right now. I've looked into the newly released Nad M-51 Dac (35-bit ... woha) but I don't even know how much difference I will hear going from the DacMagic, so I'm very much sitting on the fence right now. 


Well, a comparison beween the Lyr and the Matrix Quattro would be very interesting. I'm looking forward to get some further impressions.

The newer Lyrs have a built in relais which prevent the phones from the high power while turning the amp on and off'. If you have an older one the best is to wait some seconds before you plug in your phones into the Lyr.

If you turn the amp off plug your phones out some seconds before and you will be safe.

Dac-wise you are on a good way. The Dac Magic is a real steal for its price. Have you do some further experiences with tube-rolling?

Cheers!

perfect-pitch
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Originally Posted by perfect-pitch View Post


Well, a comparison beween the Lyr and the Matrix Quattro would be very interesting. I'm looking forward to get some further impressions.
The newer Lyrs have a built in relais which prevent the phones from the high power while turning the amp on and off'. If you have an older one the best is to wait some seconds before you plug in your phones into the Lyr.
If you turn the amp off plug your phones out some seconds before and you will be safe.
Dac-wise you are on a good way. The Dac Magic is a real steal for its price. Have you do some further experiences with tube-rolling?
Cheers!
perfect-pitch


It's very common for hi- power amp to produce a thump when being power on. I have owned Adcom and Conrad Johnson SS amps in the past  and they both "thump" .  Speaking from the 2 channel speaker amps, I have never had speakers damage by such "thump" . By adding a soft relay circuitry that will prevent just that. I am fairly new in headphones,so that's another learning curve,

 

My fairly new Lyr does not pop but it has a little "tack" when power off if I forget to unplug my headphone before doing so. It's not a biggie to me,

 

Electronic gear is very "funny". I had a pair of Audio Research SP16 pre amp and the Bryston 4 BSST which "tack" or "pop" the **** out of my expensive speakers. I took them to the local dealer , they did not behave the same way as in my house. They were dead quiet even when the dealer plugged the units straight in the wall plug without any line conditioner, 

 

I sent both of the units to manufactures , they came back with " No Problem Found" ( normal and acceptable range of DC leakage.). 

 

Electrical wiring in my house must have something to do with that "pop" or "tack" even though my house at that time was fairly new and it was  not one of house which was built by the low end builder either.  


Edited by ACDOAN - 3/8/12 at 7:28am
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Originally Posted by AppleDappleman View Post


Looks like I'm on the hunt again. I really do like the simple, elegant.....and SUPER AWESOME look of the lyr/bit frost combo. You do make me nervous when you say it's not that warm because I love the sweet warm sound because I feel like it brings the vocals to life and real.
So I guess in the 400 price range there really isn't much? Kind of a bummer but I expected this. Maybe I'll just keep looking around. It's so hard finding the he-5le, lyr, and bitfrost in mint condition used for a cheap price.
I'll keep researching til I find a good dac to pair with the lyr. I'm excited but I don't even have the funds yet haha


Don't the HE-5LE have a slightly V-shaped curve?  No wonder you like a warmer setup!   Still, if you're using it with those cans...I can't help but recommend Bifrost.  I think the orthos can really take advantage of the detail and neutrality.   My personal choice would be to go for Bifrost and if I wanted to color the sound further, I'd roll Lyr to warmer tubes.  That's the advantage of buying a roll-friendly amp, after all!

 


 

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I rarely if ever turn the Lyr volume past 10 o'clock when using it with AKG K702. That is already loud enough.


10'oclock was pushing it with the I-20 dock...but for some albums I may have made it up that far.   Somehow with the Squeezebox pushing up to 9'oclock would be deafening I think....8....ok...9...no.  I still can't help but wonder if it's somehow adding digital gain even though it shouldn't.  Or the I-20 was simply not bit-perfect for some reason.

 

I did an experiment yesterday.  if I turn my digital volume on my Squeezebox back on and drop it to about 85% I get back to the 9'oclock on the volume pot I had before.  So there's an extra 10-15% gain coming from he Squeezebox than was on the I-20....it's truly strange, and that's an enormous amount of gain difference for two sources.  I still find it unlikely that the SBT would be misbehaving so badly.  Since it's digital, it's not like there's a voltage difference at the jack between devices like with analog sources, that doesn't affect gain....so we're talking an actual difference in the data stream values.  One source or the other was modifying the data before S/PDIF conversion, and I'm not sure which one!


 

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post

The dial is set at 9 o'clock on mine for both the HD650 and LCD-2. It's a safe and comfortable level for extended listening without sacrificing dynamics. Loud brickwalled recordings play at around 76dBA average with extreme peaks measured at 80dBA for very brief passages. Chain is in my sig. Volume measured with an SPL metre enclosing the headphone cup with a disc at the end of the mic.


I'll have to try again with the HD650s....the K702 is new so I haven't taken the HD650 out since I got the Squeezebox.  I have found that I tend to keep the HD650 higher than K702 on Lyr (contrary to popular K702 results.)  so maybe you and I have the same levels overall.  If K702 gets to 8'oclock....it's possible HD650 is at 9.

 


 

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Originally Posted by Vargtass View Post

My question is - should I be worried about inserting / taking out the 1/4" plug from the Lyr when it's on, even when the volume knob is set to zero volume? I don't really know what to expect / be afraid of. 

 

Oh - another thing. Do you sometimes experience a audible "pop" sound when powering on the Lyr? I have no idea why I just get that sound through my phones some times - it's not really consistent at all. I don't really know how loud it is - and the times I've worn the phones when powered on the amp, I haven't really heard anything out of the ordinary when the amp kicks in after the grace period. 

 

No, in fact, were it not for the relay mute, you would HAVE to plug/unplug your headphones with it on.   The relay mute is a safety so that turning it on/off with headphones plugged won't harm it.   I plug/unplug with it on anyway, just to be in the habit in case of higher end gear someday without the mute (or in case the relay gets stuck open some day.)  I begged Jason for the "proper order" even though it doesn't matter with the relay.  The volume should be at zero when plugging/unplugging (as confirmed by Woo's FAQ for their tube amps as well.)

 

And yes, I get the audible pop.  Actually I have two Lyr's, it happens on the one, but not the other, and it's not every time on the one.  It's normal I believe, although it does get me nervous to hear, I don't think it's a voltage capable of damage, it's just charge from the jack.  Probably enough capacitance builds up that can go through the cans but is not enough to push to the ground drain. I can't guarantee it's never damaging, but I doubt it, and hasn't caused damage yet over a few months.  There's only so much current that can be at the jack with the volume pot turned down. 


Edited by IEMCrazy - 3/8/12 at 7:35am
post #2213 of 2389

Thanks for the answers, guys. 

 

About tubes, I'm running a pair of National Electronics 6922 from Tubemonger. They came highly recommended in the tuberollerthread for the lyr. Also got two pairs of 6BQ7A - but haven't fed the amp those yet. Have yet to install my socketsavers, and that means swapping tubes are kind of a hassle (but not impossible, do mind). 

 

I'll try to do some a-b-testing with the Quattro and Lyr hopefully this weekend. I have them both hooked up to my DacMagic, so listening to a track and then swapping amps should be easy. The reason I'm semi-sceptical about inserting the phono-plug into the lyr is that my first Lyr (this is number two) made the LCD-2's emit a VERY high "pop" when I plugged them in once. I sent the unit back tho, and got a new one, so could just be a issue with that one (by the way, the service from Schiit is so god damn amazing I don't even know how to praise them enough). 

 

I'll do some a-b shortly, and I'm really looking forward to it. The Quattro is actually quite the beast when running balanced. 

 

I'll report back when I've got more - but for now I feel (or suspect) that there is a wider soundstage with the Lyr, as well as possibly a tad more and tighter bass. Not sure though. I've been pondering the amps and I really like both alot. I feel somewhat embarresed about not really catching huge differences between the two (but hey, they're similarly priced). I'll try to get to the bottom of it tho. 

 

Any thoughts on the Bifrost being a huge upgrade over the DacMagic by the way? Pretty much fallen in love with Schiit-gear - but I keep hoping for a more hardcore Dac from them :)

post #2214 of 2389
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Originally Posted by Vargtass View Post

Thanks for the answers, guys. 

 

About tubes, I'm running a pair of National Electronics 6922 from Tubemonger. They came highly recommended in the tuberollerthread for the lyr. Also got two pairs of 6BQ7A - but haven't fed the amp those yet. Have yet to install my socketsavers, and that means swapping tubes are kind of a hassle (but not impossible, do mind). 

 

I'll try to do some a-b-testing with the Quattro and Lyr hopefully this weekend. I have them both hooked up to my DacMagic, so listening to a track and then swapping amps should be easy. The reason I'm semi-sceptical about inserting the phono-plug into the lyr is that my first Lyr (this is number two) made the LCD-2's emit a VERY high "pop" when I plugged them in once. I sent the unit back tho, and got a new one, so could just be a issue with that one (by the way, the service from Schiit is so god damn amazing I don't even know how to praise them enough). 

 

I'll do some a-b shortly, and I'm really looking forward to it. The Quattro is actually quite the beast when running balanced. 

 

I'll report back when I've got more - but for now I feel (or suspect) that there is a wider soundstage with the Lyr, as well as possibly a tad more and tighter bass. Not sure though. I've been pondering the amps and I really like both alot. I feel somewhat embarresed about not really catching huge differences between the two (but hey, they're similarly priced). I'll try to get to the bottom of it tho. 

 

Any thoughts on the Bifrost being a huge upgrade over the DacMagic by the way? Pretty much fallen in love with Schiit-gear - but I keep hoping for a more hardcore Dac from them :)


My one Lyr definitely makes the headphones have a loud pop maybe 50% of the time, while my other one seems to never do so.   However it does it even when the relay is open so I don't think it's any real driven power going through, I think it's just whatever charge is sitting around the jack.  It doesn't seem to be any louder than loud peaks in music which should be well within tolerances for the drivers, and no driver damage is detected (visual or audible) from the occurances.  That is to say, I wouldn't want it driven into my ear on a regular basis, but the same goes for very loud moments in music that send me scrambling for the knob. Jason did mention one may hear some clicks when plugging in as well.  I kind of find it more odd that the one Lyr doesn't have it than that the one does.  I've experienced the phenomenon on other amps/receivers/sound cards previously.

 

I haven't owned a DacMagic personally, and I know it's highly rated.  The biggest thing, just from what I've read in more formal reviews is that the DacMagic just has a very different sound signature overall.  I believe 6 Moons (for what it's worth) considered the DacMagic to be a little warm and to have an artificially "enhanced" soundstage that, to their ears, sounded good at first, but after realizing they were hearing it, it started driving them crazy.  The Bifrost by contrast is pure neutral or just bright of neutral.  If one is technically superior I imagine the Bifrost would win, but if your ears are tuned to a specific sound signature, you may or may not appreciate the transparent signature in comparison.

 

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Originally Posted by ACDOAN View Post



It's very common for hi- power amp to produce a thump when being power on. I have owned Adcom and Conrad Johnson SS amps in the past  and they both "thump" .  Speaking from the 2 channel speaker amps, I have never had speakers damage by such "thump" . By adding a soft relay circuitry that will prevent just that. I am fairly new in headphones,so that's another learning curve,

 

My fairly new Lyr does not pop but it has a little "tack" when power off if I forget to unplug my headphone before doing so. It's not a biggie to me,

 

Electronic gear is very "funny". I had a pair of Audio Research SP16 pre amp and the Bryston 4 BSST which "tack" or "pop" the **** out of my expensive speakers. I took them to the local dealer , they did not behave the same way as in my house. They were dead quiet even when the dealer plugged the units straight in the wall plug without any line conditioner, 

 

I sent both of the units to manufactures , they came back with " No Problem Found" ( normal and acceptable range of DC leakage.). 

 

Electrical wiring in my house must have something to do with that "pop" or "tack" even though my house at that time was fairly new and it was  not one of house which was built by the low end builder either.  


I get a thump after the relay when I turn it on, and then a smaller thump when turning off (there's also that fireflies-hitting-glass sound before that, which is kinda cool). Is it advisable to turn off the Lyr with the phones plugged out or is it OK to keep it in? I usually turn the volume knob to the lowest setting before switching off.

 

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I get a thump after the relay when I turn it on, and then a smaller thump when turning off (there's also that fireflies-hitting-glass sound before that, which is kinda cool). Is it advisable to turn off the Lyr with the phones plugged out or is it OK to keep it in? I usually turn the volume knob to the lowest setting before switching off.

 


Best practice is to unplug your headphones when toggling the power switch on the Lyr. Your Lyr might have the relay depending on when it was manufactured, and your phones may or may not be tolerant of the thump. Unless you're sure you should unplug your headphones when turning the Lyr on/off.

 

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Best practice is to unplug your headphones when toggling the power switch on the Lyr. Your Lyr might have the relay depending on when it was manufactured, and your phones may or may not be tolerant of the thump. Unless you're sure you should unplug your headphones when turning the Lyr on/off.

 


I'm sure you're correct, but being lazy as I am, I've never unplugged my headphones when turning on/off the Lyr. No problems so far, I have one of the first Lyr's with no relay.  

 

post #2218 of 2389

I believe it's my turn to attest to Jason and Schiits Phenomenal Customer Service. Bifrost shipped with no power chord, no rubber feet. Contacted Jason, no questions asked. He followed up and shipped both out to me. I know this is small, who doesn't have a power chord laying around, or rubber feet for that matter.

You should get what you pay for, no matter how small the inconvenience. Jason is simply stellar. Also, never waited more than a day..err, a few hours for a reply back. Monday-Sunday. Dude is on his game and seriously appreciates his customers. I'd like to say I'm a lifer. But, after statement Schiit comes out, I may be out. Well, until......

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i found this really cool picture hope you guys enjoy!

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Hi everyone

 

Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere.

 

I have just bought a new Schiit Lyr from a UK shop and I love it.  However I am having problems with it.  It is the UK voltage version.  Can anyone advise me if the following is normal for this amp:

 

The amp is vibrating, not enough to hear but when you touch it, especially over where the transformers are I can feel a noticeable vibration.  This happens all the time it is switched on.  Is this the "hum" I've read about on-line that some people get?

 

When the volume is turned off but headphones still plugged in I can hear a faint but slightly annoying intermittent electrical high pitched noise at night time when there are no environmental noised to mask it.

 

The power cord doesn't fit properly into it's socket on the rear of the unit, it fell out once last night.

 

Equipment:  Rega Apollo cd player, Schiit Lyr, Audeze LCD-2 headphones.

 

Many thanks

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