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post #76 of 91

Yes, you let him know how you feel repeatedly, here and in the other thread, and yet you still don't seem satisfied. What exactly do you want him to do?

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Originally Posted by Dougeefresh View Post

Yes, you let him know how you feel repeatedly, here and in the other thread, and yet you still don't seem satisfied. What exactly do you want him to do?



I don't want him to do anything. Free world.   He posted, I replied.    You posted, I replied.  End of story. 


Edited by Kernmac - 3/25/11 at 6:38am
post #78 of 91

Double post-forum edit issues.


Edited by Kernmac - 3/24/11 at 4:33pm
post #79 of 91

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Thread Starter 

 

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Yes it was your mistake.

Something I didn’t like?  I think blind Freddy can see that I simply don’t agree with you regarding the AD700s ability to “slaughter” the Pro900.

 

You seem to think that if people don’t agree with you they are causing problems.

You stated earlier that I am “responsible” for half the tension in this thread and now that we have established that is false (your mistake) then whom are you blaming for causing trouble in this thread?  Other people that don’t agree with you maybe?

 

I am not a Pro900 Fanboy, (but you can call me what you like, as if that matters) nor am I influenced by your opinion of them, I just think some of your statements are strange and I choose to challenge them.  If you think the AD700 “slaughters” the Pro900 then I disagree and I think most people that have heard both will agree with me that they are very different headphones and comments like “slaughtered” by the AD700 are simply silly.  You can prefer the AD700 to anything, that is your subjective opinion; but from a technical perspective I don’t agree that the AD7000 slaughters the Pro900, and I think that some of your statements are not credible.  If you post it, then you can expect to receive replies that don’t agree with yours.  If you don’t like that, then don’t post.

 

Only “advice” I have given you is a return PM from your request.  It doesn’t affect me if you value my opinion take my advice, or not.  I have read your opinion, understanding someone and agreeing with them are totally different.  I take advice from people I perceive have credible experience/knowledge, not simply from people that post often, change their mind more frequently than someone changes their socks and think they are knowledgeable.

 

Have a look at your AD700 comments in regards to the Pro900 and then have a look at your below quote regarding the Pro900.  And then ask yourself the question “does your view appear credible?”  Headfiers will make up their own minds.

 

I didn't think I'd have to spoon feed a four year old Head-Fi'er (which you cherish so much over post count), but this may be the only way for you to understand...

 

I said you had been causing tension in this thread. Yet, as soon as you pointed it out, I noticed this thread was the wrong one. It was the Pro 900 Review thread that you caused the tension in, not someone else. Why on earth do you think I instantly posted in a defense manor as soon as you posted in this thread? Because I knew what you had done in the other thread, and I mistook it for you doing it in this thread. So don't play like you didn't do anything in my other thread, because if you didn't, my first post to you in this thread wouldn't have accused you of creating tension in the first place. It's pretty simple. You can say all you want that you did nothing, but then why did I have users PM'ing me in my behalf, saying "that guy that posted this and that (referring to you)" is acting like a ________. I've had multiple users PM about you. They were upset at what you had said, (and not just about me). So I don't know if you just cannot comprehend what you are writing, but it seems I'm not the only one that seems you are behaving like a child.

 

I'll let you see if you know what I'm talking about, because I'm not going to yet again spoon feed you your very own words quote by quote...

 

It's fine. You can say I'm preaching facts like religion. You can say I have zero credibility. You can say I create and post meaningless threads and ideas. But I could care less about what you think. So you might as well just stop posting, and leave it alone. But knowing you, you aren't going to drop this. You'll have a response that quotes piece by piece of half the stuff I say here, and bold segment by segment. But that's okay, I'm eagerly awaiting on your reply to see what you can think up next...

 

Have a nice day.


Edited by Katun - 3/24/11 at 5:26pm
post #81 of 91


Spoon feeding?  Cherishing time over thread count? Your words your impression.  Time here has nothing to do with anything, just as thread count doesn't.  I don't know what you even mean by spoon feeding in this context, you reply - I reply.  And as for understanding, I understand perfectly, I simply don't agree with you.

 


 

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I didn't think I'd have to spoon feed a four year old Head-Fi'er (which you cherish so much over post count), but this may be the only way for you to understand...

 

post #82 of 91
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Time here has nothing to do with anything, just as thread count doesn't.

 

I'm glad you say so now. Because before, this is what you said:

 

"No, I think it is more about Headfi being flooded with "audiophiles" that are 5 minutes old and have post counts that suggest that they post every 5 minutes.  I have no problem with choice and moving on, and I have no problem with cheaper headphones sounding subjectively "better" than more expensive, it is just people moving from "the best thing since slice bread" and then 5 minutes later there is a new "best ever".  There are people that post on Headfi that are credible and there there are the rest.  The rest is growing far more vocal unfortunately and Headfi is becoming a school yard full of ......."

 

Exactly what did you want to accomplish with that statement?

 

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And as for understanding, I understand perfectly, I simply don't agree with you.


Excellent. Than I hope we can put an end to this debate. At least I will, not sure about you.

post #83 of 91



 

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Exactly what did you want to accomplish with that statement?

 


Excellent. Than I hope we can put an end to this debate. At least I will, not sure about you.


You want to end something by posing a question to me.  That's a good strategy!

 

The comment in the context of the post is simple.  It isn't just about Headfiers not being around for long, it isn't even about large post counts in short periods of time (although unfortunately they do often seem to go hand in hand) it is about inexperienced people posting based on what they have read from others, as opposed to hearing it for themselves.  There are a lot of Headfiers that are inexperienced from actual exposure to headphones that post "their" opinion, which is really other peoples' opinions; which often get changed/confused anyway.  In your particular case you have at least heard the headphones, but seem too heavily influenced by new toy syndrome and use extreme not relevant descriptors IE: "Absolutely slaughtered".  There are plenty of people on Headfi with big post counts that are very credible, and there are several "new" members that are very knowledgeable, it is just that there are a lot of inexperienced new headfiers that are happy to post anything regardless of what they can offer. Hope that clears my opinion up for you. And if it doesn't no harm done.

 

And as to us having a debate, that is not what I would call it.  You have an opinion and I disagree with it.  I don't think using the word "slaughtered" in regard to the AD700 vs the Pro900 particularly after you put the Ultrasone up as such a great headphone is credible; or because the two are so different, even helpful to anyone. I am not debating that with you, I am simply stating my opinion.  I have become bored with this thread, and at the end of the day people have to make up their own minds about what information they are going to run with.  If people want to think that the AD700 competes with and beats the Pro900 then so be it.   I think they are very different headphones with very different sound signatures and they each compete against entirely different opposition: I will leave it at that.

post #84 of 91

All I'm getting from this thread is that Kernmac had a bad day and has to take it out on someone. Get over whatever vendetta you have and stop the nonsense arguing in here just for the sake of being confrontational. It's an opinion, I think everyone gets this except you.

post #85 of 91
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The comment in the context of the post is simple.  It isn't just about Headfiers not being around for long, it isn't even about large post counts in short periods of time (although unfortunately they do often seem to go hand in hand) it is about inexperienced people posting based on what they have read from others, as opposed to hearing it for themselves.  There are a lot of Headfiers that are inexperienced from actual exposure to headphones that post "their" opinion, which is really other peoples' opinions; which often get changed/confused anyway.  In your particular case you have at least heard the headphones, but seem too heavily influenced by new toy syndrome and use extreme not relevant descriptors IE: "Absolutely slaughtered".  There are plenty of people on Headfi with big post counts that are very credible, and there are several "new" members that are very knowledgeable, it is just that there are a lot of inexperienced new headfiers that are happy to post anything regardless of what they can offer. Hope that clears my opinion up for you. And if it doesn't no harm done.

 

And as to us having a debate, that is not what I would call it.  You have an opinion and I disagree with it.  I don't think using the word "slaughtered" in regard to the AD700 vs the Pro900 particularly after you put the Ultrasone up as such a great headphone is credible; or because the two are so different, even helpful to anyone. I am not debating that with you, I am simply stating my opinion.  I have become bored with this thread, and at the end of the day people have to make up their own minds about what information they are going to run with.  If people want to think that the AD700 competes with and beats the Pro900 then so be it.   I think they are very different headphones with very different sound signatures and they each compete against entirely different opposition: I will leave it at that.

 

Perhaps I can clean up what I've said about the AD700 "absolutely slaughtering" the Pro 900. Like I mentioned, it's not, "The AD700 absolutely slaughters the Pro 900" because it doesn't. But, with some music, the way the AD700 presents it is what I consider, "absolutely slaughtered". If you had both headphone I would give you some song examples in which I found the AD700 to be far superior, then you could get a better clue to what I was talking about. No, the AD700 simply cannot beat the Pro 900 technically, but it does have a trick up it's sleeve, and that is soundstage. That aspect alone, and it's absence of "good" bass, makes it much preferred over the Pro 900 for many types of music. And believe me, I only use the term "absolutely slaughtered" in dire situations. You wouldn't believe how unlistenable the Pro 900's were compared to the AD700 for some songs, thus I described it that way. As for one being open and one closed, that can be considered an unfair fight, but it was a fight none the less.

 

But remember to why I compared them in the first place. It's not like a had a revelation as to compare the Pro 900 to the AD700. I had a my old AD700 lying around, so I decided to compare it to that. Turns out, it was one of the most important comparisons I have ever done, because it completely steered me in a different direction. And now, I finally have arrived at a destination I am satisfied with. All thanks to the most odd, yet interesting comparison I've tried.


Edited by Katun - 3/24/11 at 8:03pm
post #86 of 91

Come on guys, this is just an example of what happens when somebody finds a particular sound signature they really like.

When you do finally find 'the one', of course it's going to seem like it slaughters everything else, that's the whole point.

 

And as wrong as it may be to compare headphones of different sound signatures, it's actually helpful for the newbies because it serves as an example of "your sound preferences come first, second and third".

post #87 of 91

Having owned both the Pro 900 and AD900 at one point, I can't really say one is better than the other. I kept the Pro 900 and sold the AD900 simply because most my music I am listening to now is electronic music which suits the Pro 900 more. It all came down to music taste for me, there were songs I did prefer the AD900 for but I sold them to fund my new DAC/AMP purchase.


 

 

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This needs to continue. Please continue

post #89 of 91
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Originally Posted by Kernmac View Post
 it is just that there are a lot of inexperienced new headfiers that are happy to post anything regardless of what they can offer.


Although there were several opinions in your many previous posts that you wrote that rubbed me the wrong way, I didn't post because I didn't want anyone to feel like bullied. (DISCLAIMER: I am against cyberbullying. Say NO to cyberbullying!) But, I want to respond to this statement.

 

Since it's been only 3 months since I joined and I am inexperienced (I feel like I am but what does that mean exactly anyway? Time? $ spent on gears? # of phones I own?) and have written 3 reviews based on my opinions. Am I not entitled to post opinions? Or, maybe I am that "'new' members" that you were referring to that are worthy of posting opinions? Perhaps HF should implement a rule where you get to post your thoughts only when you have becomes an experienced member. But, who gets to decide who's considered 'experienced?'
 

We're all grown-ups and we can form our own opinions, thank you very much. Btw, I woke yesterday morning and my D7000 absolutely slaughtered my PRO 900 and there was blood everywhere eek.gif


Edited by Dougeefresh - 3/24/11 at 8:54pm
post #90 of 91
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All I'm getting from this thread is that Kernmac had a bad day and has to take it out on someone. Get over whatever vendetta you have and stop the nonsense arguing in here just for the sake of being confrontational. It's an opinion, I think everyone gets this except you.


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Think calling someone's thread meaningless and stupid a bit out of order.  People generally don't read reviews and take it as the gospel truth so there is no need to get so worked up about it.  At the end of the day, music is subjective.

 

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