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post #16 of 91
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Originally Posted by Scytus View Post




 

Oh I'm sorry

I always vowed not to make that mistake after reading of so many doing so, but there you go.

 

But still, I thought the main reason the OP enjoyed the Pro900's were for their bass qualities, both these headphones are for different uses.

 

Comparing the qualities of open-air headphones to closed back is like apples & oranges, isn't it?


Not necessarily. They are all headphones after all, and the PRO 900s leak like an open headphone anyway :P

 

post #17 of 91
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Originally Posted by matthewh133 View Post




We're talking about the AD700/900 here, NOT the A700/900. But yes, if you're a bass head you would not agree with the OP's findings or my opinion.

 


A900s have weak bass too. Definitely not a basshead can.

 

post #18 of 91
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Originally Posted by matthewh133 View Post




Not necessarily. They are all headphones after all, and the PRO 900s leak like an open headphone anyway :P

 


Lies. They don't isolate as good as 770pro but its still pretty good. Better than A900 from my experience.

 

post #19 of 91
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A900s have weak bass too. Definitely not a basshead can.

 


I never said they didn't? (not that I know because I've only listened to them briefly). Not sure why this is relevant to the thread. In regards to their isolation, again, not sure why you're comparing to the A900 as the OP is not speaking about that (nor am I), but they leak pretty terribly for a closed headphone.

 

post #20 of 91
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 but they leak pretty terribly for a closed headphone.

 



Disagree but whatever.  We all have different ears.

post #21 of 91

Really curious how these compare to my AD2000. They probably aren't that much worse.

The AD700 does not even remotely fit my small head, but the AD900 (like the AD2000) should.

$200 for the AD900 isn't a bad deal.

 

For those that compared the AD700 and AD900, how much of a bass increase is there with an upgrade? Maybe 5%?

My 2nd reason for returning the AD700 last year was because of the lack of bass. It had the least amount of bass out of anything I've heard. Reminded me of the RE0 (which I hated).

 

Don't hate me, but Ultrasone stuff seems severely overpriced. I guess I'm a cheapskate. I saw the price of the Pro 900 and my jaw hit the floor. I'll pass, but maybe the sound equals the price.

I think it's safe to say I wouldn't like them anyway.

post #22 of 91
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Disagree but whatever.  We all have different ears.


Fair enough, but it's not just me who thinks they leak pretty bad. There's plenty of discussion about it in the PRO 900 thread. Regardless, agree to disagree.
post #23 of 91
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

Really curious how these compare to my AD2000. They probably aren't that much worse.

The AD700 does not even remotely fit my small head, but the AD900 (like the AD2000) should.

$200 for the AD900 isn't a bad deal.

 

For those that compared the AD700 and AD900, how much of a bass increase is there with an upgrade? Maybe 5%?

My 2nd reason for returning the AD700 last year was because of the lack of bass. It had the least amount of bass out of anything I've heard. Reminded me of the RE0 (which I hated).

 

Don't hate me, but Ultrasone stuff seems severely overpriced. I guess I'm a cheapskate. I saw the price of the Pro 900 and my jaw hit the floor. I'll pass, but maybe the sound equals the price.

I think it's safe to say I wouldn't like them anyway.


IMO if you love the energetic sound of the AD2000s (as I do), stay away from the Ultrasones. I sold my AD900s to buy the PRO 900. The bass increase was nice, but overall the sound was more boring and less energetic (and in your face), which I love about Audio-Technica. I sold the PRO 900s and got the AD2000s which I really enjoy. The AD900 has a little more bass over the AD700, I don't know a % amount, but roughly maybe 10% more. It's not much, but it's noticeable and does help.
post #24 of 91

Thanks for the info. I still love my AD2000, but only when modded. What's funny for me is that last week I was complaining about them being too "shouty" and I had a bad adapter. How on earth does that work?! After I replaced it, the sound was just as I remembered. Even with the forward mids, the sound signature felt quite smooth. Total change. Not as smooth as my HD-598, but that's perfectly OK.

 

Like you, I also have the HD-650 on the way. Which one do you prefer? HD-650 or AD2000? If I don't love my HD-650, I'll probably return it and save up and get the W1000X. One thing that makes me want to try it is that they finally "fixed" the pads and they should give me a better fit compared to the W1000. I'm hoping I can get enough together before Audio Technica decides to stop selling them! Not like that will happen anytime soon though.

 

BTW I had an HFI-680 once and I didn't like it much (think I gave it a 7/10 in terms of sound quality). I actually preferred my M50 that I had at the time (which I'm not a fan of). I did however LOVE the bass on the Ultrasone. That's the one thing that makes me want to give them another try. I want to find a headphone from them that has very good mids that are not even remotely recessed. Maybe the Pro 650 might be OK.
 



IMO if you love the energetic sound of the AD2000s (as I do), stay away from the Ultrasones. I sold my AD900s to buy the PRO 900. The bass increase was nice, but overall the sound was more boring and less energetic (and in your face), which I love about Audio-Technica. I sold the PRO 900s and got the AD2000s which I really enjoy. The AD900 has a little more bass over the AD700, I don't know a % amount, but roughly maybe 10% more. It's not much, but it's noticeable and does help.

 


 

post #25 of 91
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

Thanks for the info. I still love my AD2000, but only when modded. What's funny for me is that last week I was complaining about them being too "shouty" and I had a bad adapter. How on earth does that work?! After I replaced it, the sound was just as I remembered. Even with the forward mids, the sound signature felt quite smooth. Total change. Not as smooth as my HD-598, but that's perfectly OK.

 

Like you, I also have the HD-650 on the way. Which one do you prefer? HD-650 or AD2000? If I don't love my HD-650, I'll probably return it and save up and get the W1000X. One thing that makes me want to try it is that they finally "fixed" the pads and they should give me a better fit compared to the W1000. I'm hoping I can get enough together before Audio Technica decides to stop selling them! Not like that will happen anytime soon though.

 

BTW I had an HFI-680 once and I didn't like it much (think I gave it a 7/10 in terms of sound quality). I actually preferred my M50 that I had at the time (which I'm not a fan of). I did however LOVE the bass on the Ultrasone. That's the one thing that makes me want to give them another try. I want to find a headphone from them that has very good mids that are not even remotely recessed. Maybe the Pro 650 might be OK.
 



 


What mods have you done to your AD2000? I don't use the HD650 with my AD2000 around, I prefer it easily. I have an LCD-2 on the way though, which will probably make me sell all of it.
Edited by matthewh133 - 2/28/11 at 7:26pm
post #26 of 91
I've only owned a single pair of Ultrasones - the humble DJ1 - but I quickly tired of the initial novelty : I dont know about the higher end models, but the DJ1 were very colored, probably more so than any other cans I have owned. The AD900 make me very happy with most of my music, but there are still tracks where the only solution is Grado. Its all good.
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What mods have you done to your AD2000? I don't use the HD650 with my AD2000 around, I prefer it easily. I have an LCD-2 on the way though, which will probably make me sell all of it.


The only mod I've done is the "Phat Pad Mod" or something like it. The only reason I did this is that I'm one of those that unfortunately have the AD2000 pads go flat and the driver will rest against my ear.

I put inside the pad some 3/8" black fuel hose. Luckily for me it hasn't changed the sound much. It actually seemed to help the sound and not make it worse. I do need to increase the volume a little.

I got the hose at a local Home Depot and it's really strong and doesn't go flat. Most people seem to use the clear hose which goes flat. I tried that and it DID effect the sound for me somehow.

With the fuel hose there is now more clamping force and it's more much more comfortable.

 

I'm hoping my HD-650 is not as dark and veiled as the older pairs. I'm a little worried. If it's a lot brighter than I expect, then that will be a huge plus, but it's probably not. My HD-600 kinda sound muffled (but my HD-598 doesn't?!), so I'm worried about that too.

 

BTW I'm not sure if you use the AD2000 for gaming, but it's what it's what made me start using a headphone for games despite owning some Infinity speakers. The only advantage my HD-598 has in that area is maybe better imaging and more comfort.

post #28 of 91
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post



The only mod I've done is the "Phat Pad Mod" or something like it. The only reason I did this is that I'm one of those that unfortunately have the AD2000 pads go flat and the driver will rest against my ear.

I put inside the pad some 3/8" black fuel hose. Luckily for me it hasn't changed the sound much. It actually seemed to help the sound and not make it worse. I do need to increase the volume a little.

I got the hose at a local Home Depot and it's really strong and doesn't go flat. Most people seem to use the clear hose which goes flat. I tried that and it DID effect the sound for me somehow.

With the fuel hose there is now more clamping force and it's more much more comfortable.

 

I'm hoping my HD-650 is not as dark and veiled as the older pairs. I'm a little worried. If it's a lot brighter than I expect, then that will be a huge plus, but it's probably not. My HD-600 kinda sound muffled (but my HD-598 doesn't?!), so I'm worried about that too.

 

BTW I'm not sure if you use the AD2000 for gaming, but it's what it's what made me start using a headphone for games despite owning some Infinity speakers. The only advantage my HD-598 has in that area is maybe better imaging and more comfort.


My AD2000 doesn't seem to be anywhere near as good as the AD700's or AD900's for gaming. As far as the HD650 sounding "veiled", I think it's all blown WAY out of proportion. They actually sound really nice, just different to the AD2000, which I like better. There's more bass on the HD650 (I have the newer model as well), but it's less controlled and can sound a little flabby at times.
post #29 of 91

Interesting.

 

True however the more time you spend listening to music the less you focus on the bass and thus move away from such bass-dominant headphones into something more 'realistic'.

post #30 of 91
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Originally Posted by matthewh133 View Post

IMO if you love the energetic sound of the AD2000s (as I do), stay away from the Ultrasones. I sold my AD900s to buy the PRO 900. The bass increase was nice, but overall the sound was more boring and less energetic (and in your face), which I love about Audio-Technica. I sold the PRO 900s and got the AD2000s which I really enjoy. The AD900 has a little more bass over the AD700, I don't know a % amount, but roughly maybe 10% more. It's not much, but it's noticeable and does help.

I completely agree. The Pro 900's definitely sounded more boring and less energetic. They also sounded less "real" and don't envelop you in the music like the AD headphones do.
 

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Interesting.

 

True however the more time you spend listening to music the less you focus on the bass and thus move away from such bass-dominant headphones into something more 'realistic'.


I'm starting to figure this out, and I agree. I'll mention something similar in my review, as the Pro 900's bass slaughtered the orchestra work in quite a bit of music due to bass and reverb.

 

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Originally Posted by matthewh133 View Post

I have/had all three, and I agree, the AD900 is the better headphone. It's all in taste.. though. The AD900 is much more "alive" sounding (energetic, more in your face). A larger (better?) sound stage, more air between instruments, has more clarity and detail. The bass isn't quite as "good", but IMO overall it is the better headphone.


Agreed. Although, I'm starting to prefer the AD bass over the Pro 900 in many instances. In fact, I'll say it's much better to go "bass light" route, then "bass heavy", because "bass light" doesn't ruin the music.

 

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Originally Posted by Scytus View Post

 

But still, I thought the main reason the OP enjoyed the Pro900's were for their bass qualities, both these headphones are for different uses.

 

Comparing the qualities of open-air headphones to closed back is like apples & oranges, isn't it?


I would say the AD700 (soon the AD900) will be used for 90% or more of my music. They simply do everything well. And they even do stuff the Pro 900 does better extremely good as well.

 

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I think the biggest thing you'll notice between the Ad700 vs the Ad900 is the comfort. The Ad900 are circumaural, while the Ad700s are superaural, though you wouldn't notice this from looking at them. The Ad900 feel slightly better built, but my ear touched the driver, which I've resolved this by finding a better fit on my head anyway with them.


Yeah, that surprised me. I've noticed the AD700's are more comfortable pushed backward on your head (ear in front), and the AD900's pushed forward (ear in back). AD900 has perfect clamp as well.

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