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post #811 of 4815

Well I can finally differentiate between both presence/bass switch on vs both off. TBH I was quite disappointed at first when I couldn't tell them apart. Guess I still wasn't too familiar with the 43s sound signature as listening now the differences are clearly there....

post #812 of 4815

i now have both the JH13 and JH16. I think I am liking the 16s better at the moment. I am waiting on a Whiplash Twag V2 cable to arrive that I sourced from another Head-Fi member. I should have some additional sources and amps to play with by christmas. My new years resolution is to learn to listen to the music, rather than just listening to musc, if that makes sense. 

post #813 of 4815
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Originally Posted by kingice10 View Post

Yes, but as average_joe has pointed out, it is very different from most universal iems that I heard, which is intimate presentation. I have the FX700 and EX1000, and both presentation are very different, just as the JH16 and the EX1000 as well.


can you explain in greater detail how FX700 or Westone 4 is different from EX1000?

for "intimate presentation," are you implying that it sounds like a headphone instead of an earphone? like the sound is outside and not in your head?

 


Edited by Mini0510 - 12/17/11 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by rangerid View Post

Well I can finally differentiate between both presence/bass switch on vs both off. TBH I was quite disappointed at first when I couldn't tell them apart. Guess I still wasn't too familiar with the 43s sound signature as listening now the differences are clearly there....


Yes, as time goes you will probably start to realize more and more just how good the SA-43 really is.  Some recordings will probably make you sit there and go wow!  If speedingredline means what I think he means below, forget the SA-43 and just enjoy the music it can recreate!  I am surprised that there aren't more owners on here and I am sure if there are there will be many surprised people, even is they own other custom IEMs!

 

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Originally Posted by speedingredline View Post

i now have both the JH13 and JH16. I think I am liking the 16s better at the moment. I am waiting on a Whiplash Twag V2 cable to arrive that I sourced from another Head-Fi member. I should have some additional sources and amps to play with by christmas. My new years resolution is to learn to listen to the music, rather than just listening to musc, if that makes sense. 


Nice, what do you like about the JH16 in comparison with the 13?  And the TWag cable is excellent with the JH16 and custom IEMs do have great ability that isn't fully realized by lower end sources, so hopefully you will hear the improvements.  People don't usually buy a HD800 or LCD-2 and power them with a low end amp or iPod ;)

post #815 of 4815
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

Nice, what do you like about the JH16 in comparison with the 13?  And the TWag cable is excellent with the JH16 and custom IEMs do have great ability that isn't fully realized by lower end sources, so hopefully you will hear the improvements.  People don't usually buy a HD800 or LCD-2 and power them with a low end amp or iPod ;)


It seems like everything is much clearer with the JH16s. I sourced the JH16s from a Head-Fi member so I was fully expecting to have to reshell them, but I was pleasantly surprised when they fit almost perfectly. The JH13 I also sourced from another Head-Fi member last year which I had reshelled by Inearz. After using the JH16 I think that the JH13 needs to reshelled again as the fit is not as good. I was listening to Seven Mary Three's album Churn and while I could "hear" things that I didnt before, it seemed that some of the vocals were distorted, but that could also be from the source of the FLAC rip. Or it could have been the source, S:Flo2 via HO, I havent tried it via LO yet with my ALO Rx amp. This week I should be receiving the following gear to enhance my listening experience, Solo, sr-71b, cowon j3, nano 4th gen, pico slim, and a Whiplash Twag v2 iem cable as well as some parts to rebuild my ipod classics. I was hoping the whiplash cable was going to arrive today but it didn't. I seem to be a ALO, and Ray Samuels fan boy, so I am looking to get an Rx Mk2, and v1 and v2 continental amps, and maybe a  protector amp as well. I am mostly a mobile gear kind of person, I have zero fullsize headphones, but I would love to source an LCD-2 anything. The only problem with that is I don't have desktop gear to drive them. I am also looking at cables from Stefan AudioArt and Double Helix for my IEMs, but can't decide if I should get them terminated as balanced, or mini.

 

Unfortunately for my wallet I have been biten by the custom iem bug. I have been watching for used customs to have reshelled but in the end it seems cheaper to just buy new. I am trying find a custom that matches my music preferences but it seems impossible to find a one size fits all. That being said I am looking at Heir Audio, or something from Westone, as I really like my W3's, and I have considered getting them reshelled.

 

 

post #816 of 4815

Indeed, they do so much right that it's really hard to dislike them with 4 different variants of sound signature. In fact, they have almost every sound signature I have encountered excpet for being analyical/cold so unless taht's the type of signature you are looking for you really can't go wrong. Another thing I have noticed is that each of the 4 sound signature have certain genres that the do extremely well and others not so good. E.g. right now I am listening to only the presence switch on, it sound AMAZING for female vocals but not good for rap or metal. Not that they are not great, but compared to some other switch position they simply don't stack up. 

 

They do so much right and almost nothing wrong. Maybe it's because I don't have any other CIEMs to compare to but I can't find a weakness on them... and believe me I spent a good day trying to nick pick these. Funny thing is I wasn't too overly impressed with the soundstage as you first mentioned but strangely the more listen the bigger they appear to become. Never had I heard a soundstage so coherent, I mean there's some pretty wide soundstages in univeral iems but most lack depth due to poor dynamics but the SA43s, wow, the size of the soundscape. 


Edited by rangerid - 12/18/11 at 8:03am
post #817 of 4815

Sorry, your query should be on the other thread for universal iems...and I saw joker replied to you awhile ago. He pretty much nailed it btw.
 

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Originally Posted by Mini0510 View Post


can you explain in greater detail how FX700 or Westone 4 is different from EX1000?

for "intimate presentation," are you implying that it sounds like a headphone instead of an earphone? like the sound is outside and not in your head?

 



 

post #818 of 4815
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Originally Posted by kingice10 View Post

Sorry, your query should be on the other thread for universal iems...and I saw joker replied to you awhile ago. He pretty much nailed it btw.
 



 


oh ok thanks. I just wanted more opinions bigsmile_face.gif

 

post #819 of 4815

Joe, and everyone else here that would like to reply to me. I would like as many people's opinions as possible.

 

 

is there is less marginal difference between FX700 sound quality (sound signature aside) and top $1000 customs than between Klipsch S4 and Monster Turbine copper?

 

if this gives you an idea, I can hear that the S4 texture on every instrument is much less than Copper - bass, treble, everything.

thats without comparing them side by side since my Copper's right ear is no longer working.

 

 

For the difference in sound quality between FX700 and top $1000 customs, from your experiences, do you have to compare them side by side to hear the difference?7

 

Thanks


Edited by Mini0510 - 12/18/11 at 2:06pm
post #820 of 4815
Hi Joe
I am planning to get a custom iem for myself this christmas. I am a jazz and vocal lover, my setuWAIS an iPod classic, unamped.(I had an imod+Rx setup but I sold it since I want more portability) Which would be the best custom earphones for me? Also, since I live in Hong Kong, so I could get the ls8 at $700 and earsonics products at 20% off discount (VAT free) I'm leaning towards these earphones at the moment because of their top tier performance and relatively-not-so-top-tier price. What I want is something natural, warm, quick, detailed and not lean, which iem would be my best bet?
post #821 of 4815
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Originally Posted by rainykchan View Post

Hi Joe
I am planning to get a custom iem for myself this christmas. I am a jazz and vocal lover, my setuWAIS an iPod classic, unamped.(I had an imod+Rx setup but I sold it since I want more portability) Which would be the best custom earphones for me? Also, since I live in Hong Kong, so I could get the ls8 at $700 and earsonics products at 20% off discount (VAT free) I'm leaning towards these earphones at the moment because of their top tier performance and relatively-not-so-top-tier price. What I want is something natural, warm, quick, detailed and not lean, which iem would be my best bet?


probably Earsonics EM4 or EM6 over Rooth if money is not an issue. Earsonics is not quick though I think. Read joe's review on Rooth LS8 and Earsonics EM3. That will give you an idea. 

post #822 of 4815
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probably Earsonics EM4 or EM6 over Rooth if money is not an issue. Earsonics is not quick though I think. Read joe's review on Rooth LS8 and Earsonics EM3. That will give you an idea. 

I might as well wait for the em4 review by Joe then, since I've heard that the em4's sound is on the leaner side and I'm worried that it might not match well with my lean, bright sounding iPod. Also, I emailed earsonics and they told me that em3pro and em6 are for stage use, while the em4 is their only audiophiles custom... I'll just wait for Joe's comment on the em4s then
post #823 of 4815

I hope to receive these babies before the year ends :P

DSC_0004sfue5v2.jpg

Yep, those are the UEsf5v2 in customs biggrin.gif Pic taken by Eldrid of Stage93(Singapore).

post #824 of 4815
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Originally Posted by speedingredline View Post

It seems like everything is much clearer with the JH16s. I sourced the JH16s from a Head-Fi member so I was fully expecting to have to reshell them, but I was pleasantly surprised when they fit almost perfectly. The JH13 I also sourced from another Head-Fi member last year which I had reshelled by Inearz. After using the JH16 I think that the JH13 needs to reshelled again as the fit is not as good. I was listening to Seven Mary Three's album Churn and while I could "hear" things that I didnt before, it seemed that some of the vocals were distorted, but that could also be from the source of the FLAC rip. Or it could have been the source, S:Flo2 via HO, I havent tried it via LO yet with my ALO Rx amp. This week I should be receiving the following gear to enhance my listening experience, Solo, sr-71b, cowon j3, nano 4th gen, pico slim, and a Whiplash Twag v2 iem cable as well as some parts to rebuild my ipod classics. I was hoping the whiplash cable was going to arrive today but it didn't. I seem to be a ALO, and Ray Samuels fan boy, so I am looking to get an Rx Mk2, and v1 and v2 continental amps, and maybe a  protector amp as well. I am mostly a mobile gear kind of person, I have zero fullsize headphones, but I would love to source an LCD-2 anything. The only problem with that is I don't have desktop gear to drive them. I am also looking at cables from Stefan AudioArt and Double Helix for my IEMs, but can't decide if I should get them terminated as balanced, or mini.

 

Unfortunately for my wallet I have been biten by the custom iem bug. I have been watching for used customs to have reshelled but in the end it seems cheaper to just buy new. I am trying find a custom that matches my music preferences but it seems impossible to find a one size fits all. That being said I am looking at Heir Audio, or something from Westone, as I really like my W3's, and I have considered getting them reshelled.


Were the details distorted only with the JH13?  And it sounds like you have a bunch of toys on the way to compliment your current and future custom IEMs, but tough decisions on the termination type.  There are plenty of custom IEMs out there, what sound signature are you looking for?

 

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Originally Posted by rangerid View Post

Indeed, they do so much right that it's really hard to dislike them with 4 different variants of sound signature. In fact, they have almost every sound signature I have encountered excpet for being analyical/cold so unless taht's the type of signature you are looking for you really can't go wrong. Another thing I have noticed is that each of the 4 sound signature have certain genres that the do extremely well and others not so good. E.g. right now I am listening to only the presence switch on, it sound AMAZING for female vocals but not good for rap or metal. Not that they are not great, but compared to some other switch position they simply don't stack up. 

 

They do so much right and almost nothing wrong. Maybe it's because I don't have any other CIEMs to compare to but I can't find a weakness on them... and believe me I spent a good day trying to nick pick these. Funny thing is I wasn't too overly impressed with the soundstage as you first mentioned but strangely the more listen the bigger they appear to become. Never had I heard a soundstage so coherent, I mean there's some pretty wide soundstages in univeral iems but most lack depth due to poor dynamics but the SA43s, wow, the size of the soundscape. 


Even comparing them with other top of the line custom IEMs they at the very least hold their own.  I usually listen with the bass switch on and the presence switch off, but with the presence switch on it still has great presentation qualities.  As far as the soundstage, it really is amazing and I haven't heard a universal that comes close.

 

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Originally Posted by Mini0510 View Post

Joe, and everyone else here that would like to reply to me. I would like as many people's opinions as possible.

 

 

is there is less marginal difference between FX700 sound quality (sound signature aside) and top $1000 customs than between Klipsch S4 and Monster Turbine copper?

 

if this gives you an idea, I can hear that the S4 texture on every instrument is much less than Copper - bass, treble, everything.

thats without comparing them side by side since my Copper's right ear is no longer working.

 

 

For the difference in sound quality between FX700 and top $1000 customs, from your experiences, do you have to compare them side by side to hear the difference?7

 

Thanks


It depends on the top tier custom and the FX700 as they perform on different technical levels, but in general the technical differences are similar between the two in general for me with great sources.  If you use a DAP such as an iPhone, Clip+, J3, etc. there will be a bigger difference between the FX700 and S4 than the FX700 and most $1K custom IEMs.

 

Just like you can hear less with the S4, a top custom will bring out all the problems with the FX700.  Perspective is what drives my reviews and comparisons and I can easily hear the differences between customs and other, lower cost products.  That doesn't mean I can't enjoy a lower cost product and I even might prefer a universal over certain custom IEMs for my preferences, but from what I have heard there are several extremely good custom IEMs out there.  And at this point I don't have to A/B them to really hear the level of quality, but it sure help and I am not comfortable blindly comparing things which is reflective in my answers even if I feel I know different from short auditions.

 

To me the big difference between a top custom IEM and a top universal IEM is the realism aspect, as the custom IEMs do the little things better and that can all add up to a much more involving and realistic recreation.  But again, perspective is everything as the SM3 was at the top of my list when I hadn't heard anything better.

 

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Originally Posted by rainykchan View Post

Hi Joe
I am planning to get a custom iem for myself this christmas. I am a jazz and vocal lover, my setuWAIS an iPod classic, unamped.(I had an imod+Rx setup but I sold it since I want more portability) Which would be the best custom earphones for me? Also, since I live in Hong Kong, so I could get the ls8 at $700 and earsonics products at 20% off discount (VAT free) I'm leaning towards these earphones at the moment because of their top tier performance and relatively-not-so-top-tier price. What I want is something natural, warm, quick, detailed and not lean, which iem would be my best bet?

 

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Originally Posted by Mini0510 View Post

probably Earsonics EM4 or EM6 over Rooth if money is not an issue. Earsonics is not quick though I think. Read joe's review on Rooth LS8 and Earsonics EM3. That will give you an idea. 

 

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Originally Posted by rainykchan View Post

I might as well wait for the em4 review by Joe then, since I've heard that the em4's sound is on the leaner side and I'm worried that it might not match well with my lean, bright sounding iPod. Also, I emailed earsonics and they told me that em3pro and em6 are for stage use, while the em4 is their only audiophiles custom... I'll just wait for Joe's comment on the em4s then


The EM3 Pro has a warm and thick sound but is not all that fast.  The LS8 is warm and fast, but not thick.  My initial impressions on the EM4 is that is is between these two; brighter and faster than the EM3 Pro but not quite as thick and rich, however the EM4 does have better detail and clarity than the EM3 Pro since the EM3 Pro does have veil.  The 5-way has the most accurate note portrayal of my custom IEMs and emailing with Grzegorz not too long ago, that is what he strives to achieve among other things and the 5-way does have warmth, speed, and richness, but all dependent on what the recording needs with the right balance for each recording.  The 3-way may be a good choice if you don't want to spend for the 5-way.

 

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Originally Posted by dogears View Post

I hope to receive these babies before the year ends :P

DSC_0004sfue5v2.jpg

Yep, those are the UEsf5v2 in customs biggrin.gif Pic taken by Eldrid of Stage93(Singapore).


Those look great!

 

post #825 of 4815
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

It depends on the top tier custom and the FX700 as they perform on different technical levels, but in general the technical differences are similar between the two in general for me with great sources.  If you use a DAP such as an iPhone, Clip+, J3, etc. there will be a bigger difference between the FX700 and S4 than the FX700 and most $1K custom IEMs.

 

Just like you can hear less with the S4, a top custom will bring out all the problems with the FX700.  Perspective is what drives my reviews and comparisons and I can easily hear the differences between customs and other, lower cost products.  That doesn't mean I can't enjoy a lower cost product and I even might prefer a universal over certain custom IEMs for my preferences, but from what I have heard there are several extremely good custom IEMs out there.  And at this point I don't have to A/B them to really hear the level of quality, but it sure help and I am not comfortable blindly comparing things which is reflective in my answers even if I feel I know different from short auditions.

 

To me the big difference between a top custom IEM and a top universal IEM is the realism aspect, as the custom IEMs do the little things better and that can all add up to a much more involving and realistic recreation.  But again, perspective is everything as the SM3 was at the top of my list when I hadn't heard anything better.

 

Well, Im going to using Ipod touch 4G for it. I guess I should get the FX700 for now. Maybe a custom in the future.

Keeping one of the best universal and a custom seem fit.

 

For the isolation of FX700, how bad is the isolation compare to Copper? 

Someone else on head fi mentioned that FX700 has 85% isolation of Westone 4.

Joker said that you probably wont be able to make out what people around you are saying while wearing the FX700.

 

do you agree? because Im going to be on the bus with it everyday. I think it's the best universal IEM for me since I listen to punk rock and like extended treble. There seems to be no close alternatives.

 

is it possible to for you to compare FX700 and EX1000?

 

bass quality and quantity

mids quality and quantity

treble quality and quantity

presentation 

 

it seems like FX700 is like a Copper with more treble presence and less mids.

 

Thanks


Edited by Mini0510 - 12/18/11 at 11:06pm
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