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Originally Posted by SowonAoD View Post

Then is there any cable have you tried on them?


Yes, I tried the Double Helix cable and thought it was a good match.

 

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Originally Posted by rangerid View Post

I started listening to the SA43s with the bass switch on. Some impressions:

 

Lows

- Bass body is about twice as big with the switch off. 

- Impact is significantly greater

- decay is ever slightly longer but a lot more noticeable with the forward bass

- Less noticeable on bass light songs; on bass heavy songs, bass is definitely the first thing that you will notice

 

Mids

- Mids have a slight warmth added to them

- Vocals are richer/thicker compared to when the switch is off

- There is somewhat more emotion to the mids

- Unlike some other bass heavy universals, mids are not at all recessed or veiled by the bass, just a slight different flavour

 

Highs

- Treble is mostly unaffected

- Some micro-details are harder to make out due to the more pronounced bass

- Feels slightly darker (~5%) but is barely noticeable

 

Presentation

- Soundstage unchanged, still unbelievable size in all directions

- Imaging: drums, bass guitars, tuba and some horns are noticeably brought forward while others remain unchanged

- Tonality: overall richer, thicker, and warmer presentation compared with bass switch off. 

- Separation: mostly unchanged, although certain high frequency instruments can sound a tiny but muffled at times

- Also wanted to add that overall, instruments appears to have more "weight" to them 

 

For rap/hip hop/RnB, I greatly prefer the bass switch on while pop/techno sounds better with switch off. For rock/metal it was really a toss up depending on whether I wanted to focus on the guitars or bass guitars/drums or have a little extra weight in the guitars. 

 

I can easily tell the difference between the switch on and off and the more I listen the more I am happy with the SA43s as the versatility to change the sound signature is almost like having a different IEM.


Thanks for the detailed write-up, you should probably also add it to the SA-43 review thread.  I was listening to the SA-43 on a plane not too long ago and thoroughly enjoying listening to my music with both switches on at a fairly low volume, yet I still had excellent isolation from the airplane noise and the surprisingly loud crying baby a few seats away.

 

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This is a great thread, so much awesome information. I have no idea what I want now.


Thanks, hopefully this thread will help you figure out what you want after you have had time to digest the reviews of several choices.

post #797 of 4815

What's your favourite IEMs at the moment joe? If there is one:)

post #798 of 4815
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

Thanks for the detailed write-up, you should probably also add it to the SA-43 review thread.  I was listening to the SA-43 on a plane not too long ago and thoroughly enjoying listening to my music with both switches on at a fairly low volume, yet I still had excellent isolation from the airplane noise and the surprisingly loud crying baby a few seats away.

 

 



Good idea. I listened to both bass and presence switch on again and I can hear a difference now with both switches off. Haven't done extensive listening yet but I stand by my original observation that a bit volume matching is needed when both switches are on. The differences are defintely there, most noticeably a tonal change in treble region (I can hear the difference but can't quite put it in words yet) and even with volume matching, the vocals are brought closer. 

 

Still gotta listen to it with only the presence switch on and then both on. After that I will be ready to post a detailed review. Hopefully I can get taht done within the next month ;)

 

The 43s are definitely the most intriguing IEM I have encountered with the switch options. 


Edited by rangerid - 12/15/11 at 1:00pm
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anyone know any custom IEM company that accepts returns of customs?

I know that Cleartune Monitors do it. 10 day return.

 

I think buying a >$600 custom with the ability to return them is the best option for me. Then I can determine whether it is worth it to buy a custom over a top tier universal because they literally cost twice as much. If my ear can't appreciate it, then there is not much I can do.

what do you guys think?

 

Thanks for your input.


Edited by Mini0510 - 12/15/11 at 8:01pm
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What's your favourite IEMs at the moment joe? If there is one:)


I have my preferences, but I don't have much listening time other than reviewing time these days and really, everything I am reviewing is ranging from very good to amazing so I find enjoyment in everything.

 

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Originally Posted by rangerid View Post

Good idea. I listened to both bass and presence switch on again and I can hear a difference now with both switches off. Haven't done extensive listening yet but I stand by my original observation that a bit volume matching is needed when both switches are on. The differences are defintely there, most noticeably a tonal change in treble region (I can hear the difference but can't quite put it in words yet) and even with volume matching, the vocals are brought closer. 

 

Still gotta listen to it with only the presence switch on and then both on. After that I will be ready to post a detailed review. Hopefully I can get taht done within the next month ;)

 

The 43s are definitely the most intriguing IEM I have encountered with the switch options. 


I do think the SA-43 is a great IEM and stands up very well among the competition; the switches are just an added bonus!  I am looking forward to your review.

 

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Originally Posted by Mini0510 View Post

anyone know any custom IEM company that accepts returns of customs?

I know that Cleartune Monitors do it. 10 day return.

 

I think buying a >$600 custom with the ability to return them is the best option for me. Then I can determine whether it is worth it to buy a custom over a top tier universal because they literally cost twice as much. If my ear can't appreciate it, then there is not much I can do.

what do you guys think?

 

Thanks for your input.


Yea, that is a concern, which is why I try to do in depth reviews so you know what you will be getting ahead of time.  Heir Audio offers a $70 reshell for a 2nd owner, so that can help offset the cost if you buy and don't like it.  

 

What IEMs have you heard and how much difference have you heard between them?  What do you use for a source?  What music do you listen to?  For my ears the difference is quite large, but also two things go on in time.  One, you get a better sense of what a high end custom IEM can do and how great the sound actually is, which may take the brain some time to figure out, and second, the better sound will become normal after some time, so having a lower level IEM to slum can keep your perspective!  

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What IEMs have you heard and how much difference have you heard between them?  What do you use for a source?  What music do you listen to?  For my ears the difference is quite large, but also two things go on in time.  One, you get a better sense of what a high end custom IEM can do and how great the sound actually is, which may take the brain some time to figure out, and second, the better sound will become normal after some time, so having a lower level IEM to slum can keep your perspective!  


I have heard low end ($50-$100) Sonys, Sennheisers, Bose Quiet and Comfort 15 headphone, Beats by Dre Headphone, Sony EX300, Klipsch image S4, all three Monster Turbine/gold/copper. I only use iPod Touch 4G as my source. I listen to mostly Punk Rock and a little Hip-Pop.

 

Between $100 IEM to a $300 IEM like the Copper, I can hear that there are more details on the instruments, deeper and fuller bass, etc.

But those difference are not very big. I may have to compare them side by side for some songs. For example, the left ear Monster Turbine Copper died so I'm using Klipsch S4 now. I like the sound signature better than the Copper. But in my memories, the bass of the Copper is much better than the Klipsch, deeper and fuller. I disliked the sound signature of all Monster products because they are bass focused IMO.

Overall, I hate to admit this and I am not going to lie. Im satisfied with Klipsch S4 bass. I can live with it. A better bass is preferred obviously. I guess my expectations are not very high.

 

Right now, since it will cost me $100 to try out a custom. Cleartune Monitors charges $30 restocking fee. I have to pay for ear impressions and ship them. If I dont like the custom, I have to ship it back. So the total is around $100. I dont think the sound signature is like Rooth LS8, my ideal custom IEM I guess.

 

I think I should get the best universal IEM, they are half the cost of customs too. I think Sony EX1000 would be nice. Do you think it will have enough bass for me? I want the Sony treble since I like about that for the EX300. The Klipsch S4 treble is slighly too harsh for me. In addition, I also want 25% less bass than Copper.


Edited by Mini0510 - 12/15/11 at 11:33pm
post #802 of 4815
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I would recommend trying something like the SM3, W4, CK10 (or 100) before buying.  The Sony, while nice, sounds more like a headphone to me than a custom IEM and isn't too representative of most custom IEMs.  

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I would recommend trying something like the SM3, W4, CK10 (or 100) before buying.  The Sony, while nice, sounds more like a headphone to me than a custom IEM and isn't too representative of most custom IEMs.  


1. Do you think the EX1000 fits what I described or is there something better for me? Do you think it will have enough bass for me? 

 

2. or Westone 4? I heard it also has extended treble.

is it possible to compared W4 and EX1000

I want the Sony treble since I like about that for the EX300. But I would like some more bass. The Klipsch S4 treble is slighly too harsh for me. In addition, I also want 25% less bass than Copper.

 

3. and I dont understand where you mentioned that it sounds more like a headphone than a custom IEM. Isn't that a good thing that it sounds like a headphone?


Edited by Mini0510 - 12/16/11 at 1:10pm
post #804 of 4815
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1. Do you think the EX1000 fits what I described or is there something better for me? Do you think it will have enough bass for me? 

 

2. or Westone 4? I heard it also has extended treble.

is it possible to compared W4 and EX1000

I want the Sony treble since I like about that for the EX300. But I would like some more bass. The Klipsch S4 treble is slighly too harsh for me. In addition, I also want 25% less bass than Copper.

 

3. and I dont understand where you mentioned that it sounds more like a headphone than a custom IEM. Isn't that a good thing that it sounds like a headphone?


1. I think the EX1000 is on the brighter, bass light side, which is an amazing feat for such a large dynamic driver!  Many people have said they use the Zo bass boosting amp with the EX1000 for best results, which should tell you a bit about the bass.

 

2. I auditioned the W4 for a short period of time and compared it with the Fabs and borrowed the EX1000 for about a week so I can't really compare the two.  The S4 treble is very poor to my ears and in the higher price range it is difficult to find many IEMs with the same amount of bass that the Copper has.

 

3. It is like a $300 headphone in that it isn't all that coherent across your head like most IEMs in that price range are, it doesn't isolate well, is fairly large for an IEM, and has wind noise.  I hear most headphones in that price more or less like speakers outside my ears and the EX1000 is similar while I hear IEMs as more coherent, but more in my head.  As you go up the price range with better performing headphones/custom IEMs the differences become less as the weaknesses in a lower end headphone/CIEM are usually greatly improved.

 

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1. I think the EX1000 is on the brighter, bass light side, which is an amazing feat for such a large dynamic driver!  Many people have said they use the Zo bass boosting amp with the EX1000 for best results, which should tell you a bit about the bass.

 

2. I auditioned the W4 for a short period of time and compared it with the Fabs and borrowed the EX1000 for about a week so I can't really compare the two.  The S4 treble is very poor to my ears and in the higher price range it is difficult to find many IEMs with the same amount of bass that the Copper has.

 

3. It is like a $300 headphone in that it isn't all that coherent across your head like most IEMs in that price range are, it doesn't isolate well, is fairly large for an IEM, and has wind noise.  I hear most headphones in that price more or less like speakers outside my ears and the EX1000 is similar while I hear IEMs as more coherent, but more in my head.  As you go up the price range with better performing headphones/custom IEMs the differences become less as the weaknesses in a lower end headphone/CIEM are usually greatly improved.

 


is the EX1000 or the top tier universals 3D? and do you know how it compares with FX700 sound quality and signature wise?

well, I was ok with the EX300 isolation so I think EX1000 is more or less the same.

 

Can you list some top tier universal IEM with extended treble and neutral bass?

post #806 of 4815

Just tried HM801 (GAME) with JH16 with TWag....Man........I am speechless...This is my facebasshead.gif

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There are top-tier universals that are 3D including the SM3 and UM3X, but I hear a significant size difference between the two with the SM3 being larger.  The EX1000 didn't really compare to me.  As far as the FX700, it is bass heavy with a V shape but it doesn't have the warmth of the Copper, but is faster and more detailed.  You probably want to read jokers thread for more info on universal IEMs as he is the true resource!

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Just tried HM801 (GAME) with JH16 with TWag....Man........I am speechless...This is my facebasshead.gif


 

The 801 with GAME card is amazing and the TWag really helps the JH16...glad you are speechless biggrin.gif

post #809 of 4815
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

There are top-tier universals that are 3D including the SM3 and UM3X, but I hear a significant size difference between the two with the SM3 being larger.  The EX1000 didn't really compare to me.  As far as the FX700, it is bass heavy with a V shape but it doesn't have the warmth of the Copper, but is faster and more detailed.  You probably want to read jokers thread for more info on universal IEMs as he is the true resource!


so is EX1000 3D at all? frown.gif

 

post #810 of 4815

Yes, but as average_joe has pointed out, it is very different from most universal iems that I heard, which is intimate presentation. I have the FX700 and EX1000, and both presentation are very different, just as the JH16 and the EX1000 as well.

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