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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

 

To me, I categorize the sound of most CIEMs in one of two categories: organic or analytical (although I reserve the right to change what I call the categories :biggrin:).  The organic sound typically focuses on the entire presentation more so than individual instruments, and the analytical is the opposite.  I would put the UM3X in the organic category while I would put the JH13 in the analytical category (from what I have been told, and hearing the JH16).  The V6 is also in the analytical mold per joker.  

Hi joe, I'm not understanding what this means, can you explain this in more detail?  

post #3932 of 3935
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post
 

 

Lol, they don't just cut the high frequency when changing the driver count as they retune the CIEM.

 

The demo of the LS-6 I had the chance to audition was amazing; I really liked the sound signature because it is neutral with plenty of detail yet liquid and musical.  The LS8+ is the upgrade to the LS8, keeping the warmth while improving overall performance.

 

Thanks mate - appreciate the info. I'm a bit of a bunny regarding technical knowledge as I only spend a tiny fraction of my time in these forums.

 

I sent you a PM before seeing this post. I would still appreciate a reply to the PM if you have the time.

 

Regards,

Scott

post #3933 of 3935
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Hi joe, I'm not understanding what this means, can you explain this in more detail?  

Is it that hard to understand? :biggrin:

 

NT6 is analytical, while SE5 is organic (they are both close to neutral though, with NT6 being on the more accurate side). The instruments on NT6 are presented in a clear/forward way. 

 

As Joe stated:  It is much easier to hear the (instrument) detail from the NT-6 as its slices and dices presentation. 

 

And organic sound will still allow you to hear the instrument, but it's either laid back, or very smooth (not as bright) so that you can focus on the overall sound presentation (every element in the song). 

 

You can hear analytical signature in vocals too, but the instruments often take over very easily.

 

I think I should mention that the new JH13 FP is not analytical to my ears, it sits somewhere in between with a good combination of instrument detail and musicality. But the old JH16 IS analytical like the old JH13 with more clarity/brightness and speed.

 

 

Actually there is another category: neither analytical nor organic, but not neutral either.

E.g. JH roxanne. I am pretty sure you have hear everybody saying how warm, organic it is (people even compare it with LCD 3. smh lol). It's warm because of the its extremely rolled off upper treble, but the instruments are still presented in typical "JH" way, that's analytical, forward and direct (look at the HUGE peak at 9k). So this type of sound signature is definitely "special" IMO. Another example is H8P, but it does it better than roxanne to my ears. Hate it or love it :)

 

Hey Joe, you have no interest in any of the VE6 model? x1,x2 xc?


Edited by tupac0306 - Today at 4:44 am
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Yes, that's what I would have guessed since NT6/pro are referred to as being a bit boosted on the highs which is in line with being analytical or detailed.  So I take it that since the treble area is not accentuated, the presentation isn't forwarding the detail, but keeping the whole presentation at a more even level.  I've heard of the terms liquid mids or organic and never knew that it meant exactly.  I'm guessing organic means certain treble frequencies are dropped which is pushing back the sharp details. I'm sure there is something else to it also.

 

With NT6 you can distinguish the source's output pretty clearly, and of course sources also contribute to the presentation because of this reason.  I have heard dry treble, which would be on the more analytical side to more laid back treble, and more even tonality.  Two sources that were ES9018 based, and one sounded more accurate and other sounded dry.  But I still get the sense that NT6 is more on the analytical side.  Possibly the NT6 is not fully balanced.  From what I've experienced so far, there is a compromise of detail and clarity, vs more organic presentation.


Edited by SilverEars - Today at 6:59 am
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Yes, that's what I would have guessed since NT6/pro are referred to as being a bit boosted on the highs which is in line with being analytical or detailed.  So I take it that since the treble area is not accentuated, the presentation isn't forwarding the detail, but keeping the whole presentation at a more even level.  I've heard of the terms liquid mids or organic and never knew that it meant exactly.  I'm guessing organic means certain treble frequencies are dropped which is pushing back the sharp details. I'm sure there is something else to it also.

 

With NT6 you can distinguish the source's output pretty clearly, and of course sources also contribute to the presentation because of this reason.  I have heard dry treble, which would be on the more analytical side to more laid back treble, and more even tonality.  Two sources that were ES9018 based, and one sounded more accurate and other sounded dry.  But I still get the sense that NT6 is more on the analytical side.  Possibly the NT6 is not fully balanced.  From what I've experienced so far, there is a compromise of detail and clarity, vs more organic presentation.

Yeah, there are lots of different frequency responses (bass+mid+treble, all three) can result in a organic sound, I would say, most of the case is the lower-mid treble region is pulled back. This area is very significant to the overall clarity, instrument forwardness, sharpness, airiness, and brightness (also vocal sibilance). But other parts of treble also contributes to some extent of these too, but upper-treble is also responsible in say, detail level, resolution, transparency and imaging focus. But don't expect to have all of the above unless the CIEM has a flat treble like NT6.

 

There are also other types of "organic" that doesn't require a special tuning,i.e. The treble can be flat but the overall it is just laid back, so it "serves as a contrast". Classic example, future sonics, MG6 Pro. I don't think you can even hear any treble in this CIEM. lol.

 

Also there is difference between organic and warm. warm can mean any CIEM that is "NOT bright" (e.g. VE stage 3). But organic IMO needs to have a forward mid-region, so the vocals needs to sound full and dense (e.g. SEM6, or SE5). But again, this needs a cut in the lower treble to “protrude” the mid section.

 

For NT6, it's still the most accurate CIEM I have heard. But if I stopped listen to it for a while, the first time I put it on, it always sounds bright. Then my brain adjust to it later. And I cannot listen to it for too long without resting.


Edited by tupac0306 - Today at 7:34 am
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