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Guys if you have pretty customs, post them there smily_headphones1.gif

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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post


From what Gavin tells me, and he own them ALL, the best he has for isolation are the Fitear...

Well FitEar in where I stay is pretty impossible unfortunately I don't even understand their website all Japanese and I couldn't find a way to change it to English. Maybe if oneday I visit Japan and go to their lab too happy_face1.gif

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 Ok guys, I need a little help. After spending 'so many' hours on searching and all I came to this point. Now I will copy my latest post from the SE5 way thread to here since I need a help/answer to me. I hope Joe and others can shed some light on my endless search. The bottom line is, I am not going to get SE5way because it is the best one out there. I had to find out what I want, what I really like then choose my ciems according to it. So basicly I need a ciem version of HD800 sound signature. Analytical, detailed, extremely high clarity and resolution. Some would say bright, well then bright but not dark that's for sure. I am not LCD2/3 person for example.

 

Any help is appreciated.

 

Joe, I read the all thread, every single post in here.

 

I thought about it so much and then I found I really don't want that much bass centric ciem. I always liked analytical sounds. Somewhere around in the middle of the thread you mentioned people who likes HD800, Tesla 1 etc, probably won't be happy with SE 5 way. That made me consider my decision again and calmly think what do I want actually.

 

So as I said, I am more on the side of HD800 sound character instead of LCD2/3. Thinking about I am in love with HD800 sound signature, what kind of ciems would you suggest? I think NT6 would fit perfectly and probably NT6 pro can do the trick too (a bit of musicality shouldn't hurt).

 

I will carefully search all of your suggestions (I actually would like to you suggest things you only heard other reviews about it but not necessarly you own them, for example Westone ES5, you don't have them but you helped me quite nicely before when I asked your opinion).

 

Additionally, I have a special question about that newest SE 3 way pro. As the manufacturer claimed, it is more or less on the same level of SE5way but instead of being dark it is on the bright side with analytical capabilities. Did you contact with Grzegorz about that unit? I know Tupac had it but his unit was defected so I, unfortunately don't count on it. However I can't find anything about it on internet so I am not sure should I take the risk and order or stay safe on your suggestions.

 

I would also appreciate help from other users too. Suggest a high end ciem to someone who likes HD800 sound charecteristic and signature.


Edited by AmberOzL - 7/6/13 at 12:06am
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Analytical, detailed, extremely high clarity and resolution.

Sounds like UM Miracle could be for your. Or JH13 Freq


Edited by piotrus-g - 7/5/13 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by piotrus-g View Post

Sounds like UM Miracle could be for your. Or JH13 Freq
second that for the jh13, have A/B the jh13 (pre fp version) and the hd800 sound sig is similar but the jh13 does have a slightly boosted bass. I can't say much for the others though.
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post

 Ok guys, I need a little help. After spending 'so many' hours on searching and all I came to this point. Now I will copy my latest post from the SE5 way thread to here since I need a help/answer to me. I hope Joe and others can shed some light on my endless search. The bottom line is, I am not going to get SE5way because it is the best one out there. I had to find out what I want, what I really like then choose my ciems accoring to it. So basicly I need a ciem version of HD800 sound signature. Analytical, detailed, extremely high clarity and resolution. Some would say bright, well then bright but not dark that's for sure. I am not LCD2/3 person for example.

 

Any help is appreciated.

 

Joe, I read the all thread, every single post in here.

 

I thought about it so much and then I found I really don't want that much bass centric ciem. I always liked analytical sounds. Somewhere around in the middle of the thread you mentioned people who likes HD800, Tesla 1 etc, probably won't be happy with SE 5 way. That made me consider my decision again and calmly think what do I want actually.

 

So as I said, I am more on the side of HD800 sound character instead of LCD2/3. Thinking about I am in love with HD800 sound signature, what kind of ciems would you suggest? I think NT6 would fit perfectly and probably NT6 pro can do the trick too (a bit of musicality shouldn't hurt).

 

I will carefully search all of your suggestions (I actually would like to you suggest things you only heard other reviews about it but not necessarly you own them, for example Westone ES5, you don't have them but you helped me quite nicely before when I asked your opinion).

 

Additionally, I have a special question about that newest SE 3 way pro. As the manufacturer claimed, it is more or less on the same level of SE5way but instead of being dark it is on the bright side with analytical capabilities. Did you contact with Grzegorz about that unit? I know Tupac had it but his unit was defected so I, unfortunately don't count on it. However I can't find anything about it on internet so I am not sure should I take the risk and order or stay safe on your suggestions.

 

I would also appreciate help from other users too. Suggest a high end ciem to someone who likes HD800 sound charecteristic and signature.

 

From what I have heard, here are my thoughts:

Tesla T1 -> NT-6 pro

HD800 -> NT-6

LCD2 -> SE5

 

Now, from a quality standpoint, I sold my T1 because it was too spacious with not enough presentation depth (I bought a Rudistor amp just for the T1) and it sounded unnatural to me.  I don't get this feeling from the NT-6 pro, but without A/Bing, I do think the NT-6 pro is a bit brighter.  I have only auditioned HD800s with various setups, but from what I recall it is more like the NT-6 than the pro, except the NT-6 is a bit colder and more analytical.  I did experience a significant improvement with the NT-6 and Whiplash Hybrid V3 cable, creating a musical presentation with the cold edge gone similar to the NT-6 pro but with a more neutral frequency response.  The SE5 isn't as bass heavy as the LCD-2 to me unless the song is bass heavy, as the SE5 can be very neutral and sound quick when needed.  But, the note decay is most similar to the LCD-2, but to me an improvement along with a more natural sound.  Both need good amps to sound their best.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Oh, and on a side note, I have added a review of the JDS ODAC and O2 to my multi-amp thread.  For those that want a small, great performance DAC for a laptop, the ODAC is worth a look.

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Originally Posted by iamdacow View Post

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second that for the jh13, have A/B the jh13 (pre fp version) and the hd800 sound sig is similar but the jh13 does have a slightly boosted bass. I can't say much for the others though.

 

 
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Originally Posted by piotrus-g View Post

Sounds like UM Miracle could be for your. Or JH13 Freq

 

Thank you guys. I should say I am not interested in JHA products due to some reasons I would prefer to keep it for myself. Even though I read many nice things about JH13 FP I will skip it. About Miracles, I think it is one of the best ciems around and def. would satisfy me but after reading a lot about them I saw comments saying mids are a little bit recessed and now I can't choose. If I go for them, a side of me will always wonder what I will be missing in Hidition or SE products. Anyway thanks a lot for all the suggestions and help.

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I would go for 1plus2, Hiddition, 1plus2, Miracles or jh13. Not se5. Se5 are more organic than bright and sparkly.
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

 

From what I have heard, here are my thoughts:

Tesla T1 -> NT-6 pro

HD800 -> NT-6

LCD2 -> SE5

 

Now, from a quality standpoint, I sold my T1 because it was too spacious with not enough presentation depth (I bought a Rudistor amp just for the T1) and it sounded unnatural to me.  I don't get this feeling from the NT-6 pro, but without A/Bing, I do think the NT-6 pro is a bit brighter.  I have only auditioned HD800s with various setups, but from what I recall it is more like the NT-6 than the pro, except the NT-6 is a bit colder and more analytical.  I did experience a significant improvement with the NT-6 and Whiplash Hybrid V3 cable, creating a musical presentation with the cold edge gone similar to the NT-6 pro but with a more neutral frequency response.  The SE5 isn't as bass heavy as the LCD-2 to me unless the song is bass heavy, as the SE5 can be very neutral and sound quick when needed.  But, the note decay is most similar to the LCD-2, but to me an improvement along with a more natural sound.  Both need good amps to sound their best.

 

I hope this helps.

 

Oh, and on a side note, I have added a review of the JDS ODAC and O2 to my multi-amp thread.  For those that want a small, great performance DAC for a laptop, the ODAC is worth a look.

O2+ODAC is already on my list for my desktop but first thing first, I should get a ciem happy_face1.gif I am in Eu so I will get it from Epiphany probably not JDS.

 

I am just about to skip SE5way but then Joe, Mim and Jazzy says it is not bass heavy, it is neutral but on warmer side and its bass can be heavy if the song calls. Now it sounds like it is perfect for me. I think I am quite fed up with this endless search and I don't want to go into that tiny little details. I am gonna order SE5way and we will see first if my ears are big enough, second is it the thing I want or not. It has been months I am searching/reading now I just want to get a ciem and enjoy it.

 

I know I need a proper source but for the moment it has to wait, after paying that much to SE the DAP will come some time later.

 

I also should and must thank every member in here who helped me and guided me. I asked many questions in many threads and everytime Joe or Tupac or Mim or Jazzy or someone else always and always replied to me. Without these great peoples help I wouldn't even come to this point. Thank you guys.

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Originally Posted by Mimouille View Post

I would go for 1plus2, Hiddition, 1plus2, Miracles or jh13. Not se5. Se5 are more organic than bright and sparkly.

Thanks a lot Mim, but as I stated in my previous post, I am quite fed up with this endless search and I just want to enjoy a ciem. It is obvious that SE5way is an incredible piece of gear, maybe it will even change my favourite type of sound signature.

 

At this point pretty much everything would fit me I guess from Hidition to Unique Melody or Spiral Ear to JH Audio. As Joe said many times, If you hear only one, it will be the best for you until you hear something different. Then you realize what is different from your own ciem and what you are missing.

 

It will be my first ciem purchase and I want to get SE5way for many reasons. I want to try something different this time (as a sound signature I mean) and it is comfortable as hell, isolates way much better, SE's customer service etc etc.

 

I could never get perfect seal with universals and because of that some people stated that ciems most probably will cause me discomfort and I will need a few times of refit. As you and many other owners stated, silicone is more forgiving on ''strange'' shaped ear canals. We will see anyway.

 

You are one of the persons who always helped me and informed me, I trust your suggestions but as I stated If I keep on reading and learning, it is becoming impossible for me to choose. I am going to get SE5way this time and I don't want to compare or think about it anymore, I just want to put that thing in my ears and enjoy my music.

 

After I finish this bloody master and get a job, things will be easier for me I guess. Indeed money is a great factor in this hobby.

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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post

O2+ODAC is already on my list for my desktop but first thing first, I should get a ciem happy_face1.gif I am in Eu so I will get it from Epiphany probably not JDS.

 

I am just about to skip SE5way but then Joe, Mim and Jazzy says it is not bass heavy, it is neutral but on warmer side and its bass can be heavy if the song calls. Now it sounds like it is perfect for me. I think I am quite fed up with this endless search and I don't want to go into that tiny little details. I am gonna order SE5way and we will see first if my ears are big enough, second is it the thing I want or not. It has been months I am searching/reading now I just want to get a ciem and enjoy it.

 

I know I need a proper source but for the moment it has to wait, after paying that much to SE the DAP will come some time later.

 

I also should and must thank every member in here who helped me and guided me. I asked many questions in many threads and everytime Joe or Tupac or Mim or Jazzy or someone else always and always replied to me. Without these great peoples help I wouldn't even come to this point. Thank you guys.

 

I posted about the amp more as a general post, not necessarily a recommendation for you wink_face.gif

 

While the SE5 is fantastic, does it fit your sound signature?  If you know what you like from a sound signature perspective, that is what you should go for IMHO.  How I see it, things can go one of two ways: you will adjust to the sound signature and be happy or, even if you think it is fantastic at the start due to new toy syndrome, over time you will crave your preferred sound signature.  Although, the latter could happen even if there are just some aspects of the sound you don't like.  For example, when I owned the IE8, it was my absolute favorite for quite a while, but then I heard the Denon C710 and realized the IE8 was veiled and even with the spaciousness it had, I wanted more.  The slippery slope began for me.  Since you will be starting at the top, I don't see the same issue since the top tier CIEMs perform much better overall and the weaknesses they have are much less pronounced (they are more based on sound signatures than actual technical weaknesses), but I still believe sound signature is an extremely important factor.

 

Between the SE5 and NT-6, for example: do you prefer the LCD-2 or HD800?  Why?  Could you live with the LCD-2 (a more neutral, natural version)?

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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

 

I posted about the amp more as a general post, not necessarily a recommendation for you wink_face.gif

 

While the SE5 is fantastic, does it fit your sound signature?  If you know what you like from a sound signature perspective, that is what you should go for IMHO.  How I see it, things can go one of two ways: you will adjust to the sound signature and be happy or, even if you think it is fantastic at the start due to new toy syndrome, over time you will crave your preferred sound signature.  Although, the latter could happen even if there are just some aspects of the sound you don't like.  For example, when I owned the IE8, it was my absolute favorite for quite a while, but then I heard the Denon C710 and realized the IE8 was veiled and even with the spaciousness it had, I wanted more.  The slippery slope began for me.  Since you will be starting at the top, I don't see the same issue since the top tier CIEMs perform much better overall and the weaknesses they have are much less pronounced (they are more based on sound signatures than actual technical weaknesses), but I still believe sound signature is an extremely important factor.

 

Between the SE5 and NT-6, for example: do you prefer the LCD-2 or HD800?  Why?  Could you live with the LCD-2 (a more neutral, natural version)?


Don't wanna start a fight here, but LCD-2 neutral? I know the HD800 is not really neutral but why consider the LCD-2 more neutral than the HD800 from your point of view? And joe, do you prefer a warmer sound or a colder more analytical sound? Sorry still kinda newbie tongue.gif

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Don't wanna start a fight here, but LCD-2 neutral? I know the HD800 is not really neutral but why consider the LCD-2 more neutral than the HD800 from your point of view? And joe, do you prefer a warmer sound or a colder more analytical sound? Sorry still kinda newbie tongue.gif

 

Sorry, let me expand on what I wrote because there is a misunderstanding here:

When I wrote "Could you live with the LCD-2 (a more neutral, natural version)?,"  the more neutral, natural version was referring to the SE5 vs. the LCD-2, not the LCD-2 vs. the HD800.  I hear the LCD-2 as on the warm side and the HD800 as on the bright side, but from my concert experiences, more fit the sound of the LCD-2 than the HD800.  I prefer only technical performance, which is much easier to do given my listening habits which consists of listening to what I am reviewing.  For my amp tests, I have had a sample of pretty much all of my headphones from lowest to highest performance.  I can't say I enjoy the lower end stuff at all due to too many negatives compared with the positives with my perspective of being used to hearing top tier stuff, but many of the lower end CIEMs still is enjoyable such as the 8X, LE3, Music One, P2+1, etc.

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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

 

I posted about the amp more as a general post, not necessarily a recommendation for you wink_face.gif

 

While the SE5 is fantastic, does it fit your sound signature?  If you know what you like from a sound signature perspective, that is what you should go for IMHO.  How I see it, things can go one of two ways: you will adjust to the sound signature and be happy or, even if you think it is fantastic at the start due to new toy syndrome, over time you will crave your preferred sound signature.  Although, the latter could happen even if there are just some aspects of the sound you don't like.  For example, when I owned the IE8, it was my absolute favorite for quite a while, but then I heard the Denon C710 and realized the IE8 was veiled and even with the spaciousness it had, I wanted more.  The slippery slope began for me.  Since you will be starting at the top, I don't see the same issue since the top tier CIEMs perform much better overall and the weaknesses they have are much less pronounced (they are more based on sound signatures than actual technical weaknesses), but I still believe sound signature is an extremely important factor.

 

Between the SE5 and NT-6, for example: do you prefer the LCD-2 or HD800?  Why?  Could you live with the LCD-2 (a more neutral, natural version)?

Joe you are an unbelievable person and a perfect help when someone needs. I am getting too complicated here and having difficulty to describe what I need. I think after the new toy syndrome finishes I might feel bad and want to find my prefered tone.

 

I am sure you know that website: en.goldenears.net. I checked LCD2 Rev2 and HD800 on that website. At the end of their measurements they give some kind of chart with numbers between -5 to +5. So I will try to use that chart to explain what I want I hope this way helps me.

 

Transparency / Coloration: As Clear as possible like HD800. +5

Dynamics: As Natural as possible. Also like HD800. +5

High Resolution: Max Vivid. HD800 is almost +5 so I would say yes, as Vivid as possible.

Treble relative to midrange: This is the part LCD2 and HD800 differes a lot. What I want is not dark. It can be in the middle or a slightly little bit dark. Max light is not a problem either so once again HD800 wins here and LCD2.

Treble texture: Not rough.That's obvious. I think somewhere in the middle or maybe a little bit on softer side is better. I think 0, +1, +2 values would be fine. LCD2 has very soft treble texture I am not sure I would like it. HD800 seems like a better solution.

Bass relative to midrange: Definately in the middle. 0 would be perfect value I guess. I don't want thin at all. I think I can tolerate up to +2 level but 0 seems like more secure.

Bass texture: Solid, definately solid. Maybe not +5 but not fluid at all. I think +3, +4 or +5 would do the trick.

 

Looking at these charts, HD800 seems like the perfect solution then I shouldn't go for SE5way? I also read SE5way is like LCD2 but they differ in some aspects too.

 

Considering what I tried to explain by using the goldenears.net method, would you still say SE5way is a safe choice or I should def. not go for them?

 

I must apologize for people who follow this thread, I am probably going a little bit out of topic here and focus on my questions but also my questions can help other people too hopefully.

 

Ps: In case if anyone wants to jump to the HD800 and LCD2 measurements directly here are the links:

 

http://en.goldenears.net/4326

http://en.goldenears.net/11561

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What I think you need to do is to stop reading quite so many threads, sit down work out a plan of action and take it from there (simpler said then done).  Once decided don't second guess yourself and take it from there.  That's the one problem with headfi, the sheer amount of knowledge on here is rather overwhelming and it's all to easy to get swept up in the latest "fotm".  Decide on a budget (start small to test the waters or jump in at the deep end).  Decide on a company (JH AUDIO, Cosmic Ears, Spiral Ears, Westone, Minerva, Custom Art etc etc ad nauseum) and stick with them.  Fire some of the company's an email describing your sound signature and see what they say.  As you are an eu person would you be better off sticking with the european players rather than going over seas to the likes in the states and china (once you start factoring in refits and postage costs into the price, things sky rocket sharply).  The problem with customs (and iem's in general) is the inability to hear before you buy.  I thought I read somewhere you had decided on westone as you were located near them, so why the change?  Honestly the best course would be (and forgive me if this comes across as patronising as it really really isn't meant to be)to focus on your masters do as well as you can on that, get a job so you know your budget (treat it as a reward for doing so well in the masters perhaps?) and take it from there.   If your not sure on customs and the fit then there is the CE prefit which would settle your mind.  From what I've read in that thread the ba4f is something that should be doing quite well.   You don't have to spend a lot (even with customs) to get good sound.

 

Anyway sorry for the rambling post and good luck with what you decide.

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