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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post

Thanks man :) Yes I have heard of it and I have posted about the 3 way pro here and in SE5 thread. For me, it doesn't do the magic at all. I have never heard of 3 way reference, and judging from the impressions people have, my 3 way pro just sounded like 3 way reference (And mine WAS 3 way PRO). It's very warm, rolled off treble which leads to very forward mid presentation and somewhat bloated, slow decaying bass. It doesn't sound anything like SE5 at all (SE5 is still my best sounding CIEM, so I am just being honest here). It didn't sound good to my ears. Grzegorz confirmed to me that the 3 way pro was defective, so I couldn't stand the sound and changed it 2 way and now they are sitting in my draw lol.

 

Yeah EM6 pro is earsonics. I don't know why it's called pro. Earsonics have almost all their products named "pro". EM6 has more headroom than EM4 says on their website. It has a lush and organic sounding with massive bass power and great treble extension. The soundstage to my ears has more depth than width. It's detailed and airy, but still on the warm side.

Oh so your 3 way pro was defective means your unit was not 3 way pro actually happy_face1.gif When I read your comment about them, I was scared and thinking it can not be that bad, can it? In their website he says, it is like 5 way ref, but more analytical and bass light sounding, I was thinking it can be a good rival of UE IERM. Sigh, maybe someone will have the normal unit and we can hear how they actually sound. I think 3 way reference was kinda basshead iem (that's what I read in innerfidelity article) so 3 way pro shouldn't be like that.

 

If my ear canals are tiny for SE products, I will look for something else and EM6 is in my range actually, because of acrylic filled shell. Honestly, I hope I can get SE 5 way and I won't look for ciem anymore for a while but seeing people here can't get it cuz of the ear canal size, I am thinking about B plans of course happy_face1.gif

 

Btw, I just checked again, they say EM6 only, no pro?

http://www.earsonics.com/en/em6/

post #2942 of 4815
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Oh so your 3 way pro was defective means your unit was not 3 way pro actually happy_face1.gif When I read your comment about them, I was scared and thinking it can not be that bad, can it? In their website he says, it is like 5 way ref, but more analytical and bass light sounding, I was thinking it can be a good rival of UE IERM. Sigh, maybe someone will have the normal unit and we can hear how they actually sound. I think 3 way reference was kinda basshead iem (that's what I read in innerfidelity article) so 3 way pro shouldn't be like that.

 

If my ear canals are tiny for SE products, I will look for something else and EM6 is in my range actually, because of acrylic filled shell. Honestly, I hope I can get SE 5 way and I won't look for ciem anymore for a while but seeing people here can't get it cuz of the ear canal size, I am thinking about B plans of course happy_face1.gif

 

Btw, I just checked again, they say EM6 only, no pro?

http://www.earsonics.com/en/em6/

Ohh? I am sure it was called pro. Probably changed already.

 

The website was exactly the reason why I got it. It was long time ago. I was probably the first a few owners of 3 way pro, since at that time the website didn't have a 3 way pro yet. So Grzegorz told me it was like a brighter and analytical version of SE5. I got very excited, but it just didn't do it for me.

post #2943 of 4815
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Ohh? I am sure it was called pro. Probably changed already.

 

The website was exactly the reason why I got it. It was long time ago. I was probably the first a few owners of 3 way pro, since at that time the website didn't have a 3 way pro yet. So Grzegorz told me it was like a brighter and analytical version of SE5. I got very excited, but it just didn't do it for me.

Maybe you could give it a try with new unit since yours was defective. I think after SE 5 way, I will not be able to stop myself and go for 3 way pro too. This hobby becomes more and more dangerous. I better study for my master exams and stop checking here for a while.

 

Of course I know I will not be able to stop checking here biggrin.gif

post #2944 of 4815
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Originally Posted by AmberOzL View Post

Maybe you could give it a try with new unit since yours was defective. I think after SE 5 way, I will not be able to stop myself and go for 3 way pro too. This hobby becomes more and more dangerous. I better study for my master exams and stop checking here for a while.

 

Of course I know I will not be able to stop checking here biggrin.gif

You can ask joe how fast he dragged me into this hole....tongue.gif

 

It all started with me searching a earphone that sounds like LCD 2:)


Edited by tupac0306 - 5/31/13 at 6:38am
post #2945 of 4815
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Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post

You can ask joe how fast he dragged me into this hole....tongue.gif

 

It all started with me searching a earphone that sounds like LCD 2:)

I should finish this master and find a job asap tongue.gif

post #2946 of 4815

Joe, here it goes!wink.gif Bear with my English.

Copied and pasted from 1+2 thread, I focused more on 1+2, but there are impressions of JH13.

 

1+2 vs SE5 vs NT6 vs JH13:

 

Sorry about my bad English, I might have to use the same word again and again. And everything I say here will just be my opinion and my own experience only.biggrin.gif

 

Source:

Desktop: Anedio D2

Portable: Ak120 + portaphile 627

 

1+2: Before I describe how 1+2 sounds, I would like to address about the tips issues. I have been doing the tip rolling since I got them. I tried about 20 pairs of different tips (and will keep on trying more). I won’t be surprised if people say 1+2 sounds bright, or not detailed enough. Because from my experience, tips play a huge part in presenting the 1+2 sound. I am sure people have mentioned this in the earlier thread too. Tips can change 1+2 from sounding very bright, harsh to neutral to very dull and dark. People hear different things and have different ear shapes, so they will use different choice for tips. Therefore this makes it very hard to speak on the signature of 1+2. I find ortofon ones make the sound very bright and comply foam ones make the highs roll off a lot with recessed mid. Luckily, I was able to find my sweet point for it which is “small sized comply T500 with 1/4 of tip ends being cut off”. This will gives me the most linear frequency response to my ears with just enough space and treble without going bright. The mid sits right in the middle and the bass is super deep and punchy. So all my comparisons below will be done using this tip. IMO 1+2 is more suitable to more experienced and patient audiophiles that know about what sound they want. For those who don’t know or don’t want to know about the tip rolling, there is a good chance that you may love it very much or hate it very much.

 

Sound: 1+2 with the right tips sounds super neutral to me from the top to the bottom. It has a very accurate sound to me. The bass can go very deep with amazing texture and very natural decay. The mids have great density and layering. It doesn’t sound forward or recessed to my ears. The treble, again super flat with great clarity and smoothness. Making the sound very transparent and airy without going to the edge in any part of the treble spectrum. The combination of low, mid and high create one of the largest spaces I have ever heard in earphones. It really manages to generate an outer hand soundstage rather the in head sound. It fooled me so many times on certain songs making me think the sound is actually really from outside. There are just not many words I can use to talk about the characters of the sound because it’s just so realistic and neutral, and truly doesn’t have any color. I am very impressed that this small universal IEM can produce a very BIG sound like speakers.

 

JH13: I wanted to burn in the JH13 for some more time since I just got it today and only running for like 7 hours. But JH13 has such a typical JH audio sound that I find myself confident enough to describe the sound. So any further change will be too subtle to change my opinion on its overall sound. The new FP jh13 is really something. It has its typical JH forward presentation with great clarity and smoothness. I have been having my JH16 for almost 2 years so I am very familiar to it, the new JH13 sound like a bass light version of my JH16, but better in almost every way. The bass on the new JH13 is very tight and fast with great decay and punch. The new jh13 has almost the same amount of sub-bass as JH16, which rumbles a lot! Some might like it some might find it messed up some bass light songs. The new jh13 has less mid/upper bass presentation, that makes the mids sound more neutral and forward than JH16. With that said, JH’s products still don’t present vocals very forward. It has a more pronounced upper mid/lower treble (4-10k Hz), so the instruments are thrown at you directly with all the details. This will give the presentation a very large width of soundstage, but somewhat lacking depth. JH13 does a better job in this area by adding more depth into the soundstage making the vocals less sibilant. Although JH13 has a better treble extension than JH16, the treble still rolls off quicker than it should have (about 12k, it starts to roll off).

 

Hidition NT6: This has been the benchmark of studio mixing type reference IEM for me. The spectrum is flat all the way, except a small hump at 11k, which takes the presentation to the brighter side to some extent. Although, it has such a liquid and smooth sound, some will find it bright period. I will not talk about it too much here. If you want to read about it you can go to average joe’s NT6 review.

 

SE 5 way: The best earphone I have ever heard and that still remains true till now. It’s just incredible in every way. It’s very dependent on different songs, so it really show you what the artists intended to do. The bass capacity is insane, no matter how much bass is required in the song, it will delivery. It has the resolution of the top class full sized headphones. Every time I put on any earphone after SE5, I will notice the resolution difference right away. Se5’s treble extends forever that I feel like I can even hear 19k with it. The whole presentation is just natural, musical and liquid like. It presents details in one of the cleanest and clearest ways. It feels like all the detail is delivered on a black and clean background while other earphones will need to lift brightness in order to do that. Anyways, again go to average joe’s SE5 review for more information.

 

1+2 vs JH13: Both sound super in their own ways. You will be impressed easily by either of them. They are both very dynamic with good speeds. The bass is equally tight and deep. 1+2 has more bass presence, so it punches a bit harder. The sub bass decay of 1+2 is faster than JH13. The mid region of 1+2 is more linear than JH13. JH13’s vocal is a bit recessed but the edge of vocal is more forward (if you know what I mean here). Also the vocals on JH13 have a bit more sibilance than the ones on 1+2. The soundstage of 1+2 is larger than Jh13’s. The depth is about the same. The detail is presented in different ways between the two. JH13 throws the detail directly in your face with great clarity. 1+2 has more transparent and airy presentation. Instrument detail is presented with great clarity but not as forward as JH13. JH13 has a unique tuning. It uses its rolled off upper treble to balanced out the forwarded lower treble, leading to a forward sounding, but with certain liquidity and smoothness. So although the presentation is forward, I still wouldn’t call JH13 bright (I will rather call it sibilant on vocals). 1+2 isn’t as forward, but has better treble extension, so it’s more linear and neutral. Both sound very smooth when well driven. For me, JH13 will be more suitable to today’s pop, electronic type of music, where as 1+2 is more capable of doing more genres.

 

With various tips, 1+2 can sound either worse than jh13, or better than JH13 IMO.

 

1+2 vs NT6: When I first put on the 1+2 with the stock tips, I find it sound almost identical to NT6. They share so many similarities. But when I switched to my “best” tips, 1+2’s treble becomes more neutral in terms of clarity, decay and brightness.

NT6 has a slightly more liquid lower treble, but as I said, its peak at 11k just make it too clear for my taste that I will have to take a rest after long period of listening. They both have very large soundstage, 1+2 has about +10% width and -10% depth.  Both have great controlled bass with 1+2 having a bit more presence. The mids are sitting at very similar positions. They are just sounding more similar than different.

 

1+2 vs SE5: With the best tips, 1+2 can certainly perform at the level of SE5. Technically I still think SE5 is superior due to its complexity of 5 ways crossover system. But 1+2 really keeps it up to the maximum extent. They both have incredibly bass extension. They both have the ability to create earthquake like 20hz full note. SE5 has a bit more mid/upper bass presence than 1+2. So 1+2’s bass decays a little bit faster while SE5 has a layer more of “body” to the whole sound signature. SE5’s is more mid forward than 1+2 giving SE5 fuller, denser vocals. The treble is very different between the two. Compared to se5, 1+2 has more forward treble with instantly better clarity while SE5 has more linear and extended treble that can provide the same level of clarity in another way. So as a result, 1+2 will present detail with combination of brightness and clarity where as SE5 will present detail with its extreme neutrality and resolution. The detail level is slightly higher on SE5 due to its more extended treble. The soundstages are about the same sizes for 1+2 and SE5 on poorly mixed tracks. But when it comes to well mastered songs, 1+2 surpass the soundstage width of SE5 without losing much depth. They both require large amount of healthy power to shine IMO, with SE5 being more power hungry.

 

These two IMO complement each other very well just like HD800 and LCD 3. 1+2 is neutral, se5 is natural, you try to tell the difference I am trying to express here. Both well balanced. I wouldn’t call SE5 dark and wouldn’t call 1+2 bright, but 1+2 is brighter than SE5. They can basically cover every genre of music you want to listen. For pop, hip hop and vocals I will pick SE5 first, and for classical and jazz, 1+2 will be the first (although they are both good on all genres).

 

Overall sound score (for me only):

 

SE 5 WAY: 98

NT6: 93

1+2: 86-96 (with good tip rolling)

JH13: 88

(JH16: 80)

 

Thanks for reading~


Edited by tupac0306 - 5/31/13 at 5:23pm
post #2947 of 4815
Quote:
Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post

Joe, here it goes!wink.gif Bear with my English.

Copied and pasted from 1+2 thread, I focused more on 1+2, but there are impressions of JH13.

 

1+2 vs SE5 vs NT6 vs JH13:

 

Sorry about my bad English, I might have to use the same word again and again. And everything I say here will just be my opinion and my own experience only.biggrin.gif

 

Source:

Desktop: Anedio D2

Portable: Ak120 + portaphile 627

 

1+2: Before I describe how 1+2 sounds, I would like to address about the tips issues. I have been doing the tip rolling since I got them. I tried about 20 pairs of different tips (and will keep on trying more). I won’t be surprised if people say 1+2 sounds bright, or not detailed enough. Because from my experience, tips play a huge part in presenting the 1+2 sound. I am sure people have mentioned this in the earlier thread too. Tips can change 1+2 from sounding very bright, harsh to neutral to very dull and dark. People hear different things and have different ear shapes, so they will use different choice for tips. Therefore this makes it very hard to speak on the signature of 1+2. I find ortofon ones make the sound very bright and comply foam ones make the highs roll off a lot with recessed mid. Luckily, I was able to find my sweet point for it which is “small sized comply T500 with 1/4 of tip ends being cut off”. This will gives me the most linear frequency response to my ears with just enough space and treble without going bright. The mid sits right in the middle and the bass is super deep and punchy. So all my comparisons below will be done using this tip. IMO 1+2 is more suitable to more experienced and patient audiophiles that know about what sound they want. For those who don’t know or don’t want to know about the tip rolling, there is a good chance that you may love it very much or hate it very much.

 

Sound: 1+2 with the right tips sounds super neutral to me from the top to the bottom. It has a very accurate sound to me. The bass can go very deep with amazing texture and very natural decay. The mids have great density and layering. It doesn’t sound forward or recessed to my ears. The treble, again super flat with great clarity and smoothness. Making the sound very transparent and airy without going to the edge in any part of the treble spectrum. The combination of low, mid and high create one of the largest spaces I have ever heard in earphones. It really manages to generate an outer hand soundstage rather the in head sound. It fooled me so many times on certain songs making me think the sound is actually really from outside. There are just not many words I can use to talk about the characters of the sound because it’s just so realistic and neutral, and truly doesn’t have any color. I am very impressed that this small universal IEM can produce a very BIG sound like speakers.

 

JH13: I wanted to burn in the JH13 for some more time since I just got it today and only running for like 7 hours. But JH13 has such a typical JH audio sound that I find myself confident enough to describe the sound. So any further change will be too subtle to change my opinion on its overall sound. The new FP jh13 is really something. It has its typical JH forward presentation with great clarity and smoothness. I have been having my JH16 for almost 2 years so I am very familiar to it, the new JH13 sound like a bass light version of my JH16, but better in almost every way. The bass on the new JH13 is very tight and fast with great decay and punch. The new jh13 has almost the same amount of sub-bass as JH16, which rumbles a lot! Some might like it some might find it messed up some bass light songs. The new jh13 has less mid/upper bass presentation, that makes the mids sound more neutral and forward than JH16. With that said, JH’s products still don’t present vocals very forward. It has a more pronounced upper mid/lower treble (4-10k Hz), so the instruments are thrown at you directly with all the details. This will give the presentation a very large width of soundstage, but somewhat lacking depth. JH13 does a better job in this area by adding more depth into the soundstage making the vocals less sibilant. Although JH13 has a better treble extension than JH16, the treble still rolls off quicker than it should have (about 12k, it starts to roll off).

 

Hidition NT6: This has been the benchmark of studio mixing type reference IEM for me. The spectrum is flat all the way, except a small hump at 11k, which takes the presentation to the brighter side to some extent. Although, it has such a liquid and smooth sound, some will find it bright period. I will not talk about it too much here. If you want to read about it you can go to average joe’s NT6 review.

 

SE 5 way: The best earphone I have ever heard and that still remains true till now. It’s just incredible in every way. It’s very dependent on different songs, so it really show you what the artists intended to do. The bass capacity is insane, no matter how much bass is required in the song, it will delivery. It has the resolution of the top class full sized headphones. Every time I put on any earphone after SE5, I will notice the resolution difference right away. Se5’s treble extends forever that I feel like I can even hear 19k with it. The whole presentation is just natural, musical and liquid like. It presents details in one of the cleanest and clearest ways. It feels like all the detail is delivered on a black and clean background while other earphones will need to lift brightness in order to do that. Anyways, again go to average joe’s SE5 review for more information.

 

1+2 vs JH13: Both sound super in their own ways. You will be impressed easily by either of them. They are both very dynamic with good speeds. The bass is equally tight and deep. 1+2 has more bass presence, so it punches a bit harder. The sub bass decay of 1+2 is faster than JH13. The mid region of 1+2 is more linear than JH13. JH13’s vocal is a bit recessed but the edge of vocal is more forward (if you know what I mean here). Also the vocals on JH13 have a bit more sibilance than the ones on 1+2. The soundstage of 1+2 is larger than Jh13’s. The depth is about the same. The detail is presented in different ways between the two. JH13 throws the detail directly in your face with great clarity. 1+2 has more transparent and airy presentation. Instrument detail is presented with great clarity but not as forward as JH13. JH13 has a unique tuning. It uses its rolled off upper treble to balanced out the forwarded lower treble, leading to a forward sounding, but with certain liquidity and smoothness. So although the presentation is forward, I still wouldn’t call JH13 bright (I will rather call it sibilant on vocals). 1+2 isn’t as forward, but has better treble extension, so it’s more linear and neutral. Both sound very smooth when well driven. For me, JH13 will be more suitable to today’s pop, electronic type of music, where as 1+2 is more capable of doing more genres.

 

With various tips, 1+2 can sound either worse than jh13, or better than JH13 IMO.

 

1+2 vs NT6: When I first put on the 1+2 with the stock tips, I find it sound almost identical to NT6. They share so many similarities. But when I switched to my “best” tips, 1+2’s treble becomes more neutral in terms of clarity, decay and brightness.

NT6 has a slightly more liquid lower treble, but as I said, its peak at 11k just make it too clear for my taste that I will have to take a rest after long period of listening. They both have very large soundstage, 1+2 has about +10% width and -10% depth.  Both have great controlled bass with 1+2 having a bit more presence. The mids are sitting at very similar positions. They are just sounding more similar than different.

 

1+2 vs SE5: With the best tips, 1+2 can certainly perform at the level of SE5. Technically I still think SE5 is superior due to its complexity of 5 ways crossover system. But 1+2 really keeps it up to the maximum extent. They both have incredibly bass extension. They both have the ability to create earthquake like 20hz full note. SE5 has a bit more mid/upper bass presence than 1+2. So 1+2’s bass decays a little bit faster while SE5 has a layer more of “body” to the whole sound signature. SE5’s is more mid forward than 1+2 giving SE5 fuller, denser vocals. The treble is very different between the two. Compared to se5, 1+2 has more forward treble with instantly better clarity while SE5 has more linear and extended treble that can provide the same level of clarity in another way. So as a result, 1+2 will present detail with combination of brightness and clarity where as SE5 will present detail with its extreme neutrality and resolution. The detail level is slightly higher on SE5 due to its more extended treble. The soundstages are about the same sizes for 1+2 and SE5 on poorly mixed tracks. But when it comes to well mastered songs, 1+2 surpass the soundstage width of SE5 without losing much depth. They both require large amount of healthy power to shine IMO, with SE5 being more power hungry.

 

These two IMO complement each other very well just like HD800 and LCD 3. 1+2 is neutral, se5 is natural, you try to tell the difference I am trying to express here. Both well balanced. I wouldn’t call SE5 dark and wouldn’t call 1+2 bright, but 1+2 is brighter than SE5. They can basically cover every genre of music you want to listen. For pop, hip hop and vocals I will pick SE5 first, and for classical and jazz, 1+2 will be the first (although they are both good on all genres).

 

Overall sound score (for me only):

 

SE 5 WAY: 98

NT6: 93

1+2: 86-96 (with good tip rolling)

JH13: 88

(JH16: 80)

 

Thanks for reading~

Great Review!

gj Tupac!

post #2948 of 4815
Awesome comparison Tupac....I have two of the four and I am interested in the other two....I could never describe sound in such a precise way, but I agree with the aspects I understand. I had a hard time with 1plus2 tips but found good ones. StageDiver3 has awesome proprietary tips so I will try them too. I just adore my se5 but cannot use them all the time because you need time to put them and take them out....so at work I will have universals more often.
post #2949 of 4815
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tupac0306 View Post

Joe, here it goes!wink.gif Bear with my English.

Copied and pasted from 1+2 thread, I focused more on 1+2, but there are impressions of JH13.

 

1+2 vs SE5 vs NT6 vs JH13:

 

Sorry about my bad English, I might have to use the same word again and again. And everything I say here will just be my opinion and my own experience only.biggrin.gif

 

Source:

Desktop: Anedio D2

Portable: Ak120 + portaphile 627

 

1+2: Before I describe how 1+2 sounds, I would like to address about the tips issues. I have been doing the tip rolling since I got them. I tried about 20 pairs of different tips (and will keep on trying more). I won’t be surprised if people say 1+2 sounds bright, or not detailed enough. Because from my experience, tips play a huge part in presenting the 1+2 sound. I am sure people have mentioned this in the earlier thread too. Tips can change 1+2 from sounding very bright, harsh to neutral to very dull and dark. People hear different things and have different ear shapes, so they will use different choice for tips. Therefore this makes it very hard to speak on the signature of 1+2. I find ortofon ones make the sound very bright and comply foam ones make the highs roll off a lot with recessed mid. Luckily, I was able to find my sweet point for it which is “small sized comply T500 with 1/4 of tip ends being cut off”. This will gives me the most linear frequency response to my ears with just enough space and treble without going bright. The mid sits right in the middle and the bass is super deep and punchy. So all my comparisons below will be done using this tip. IMO 1+2 is more suitable to more experienced and patient audiophiles that know about what sound they want. For those who don’t know or don’t want to know about the tip rolling, there is a good chance that you may love it very much or hate it very much.

 

Sound: 1+2 with the right tips sounds super neutral to me from the top to the bottom. It has a very accurate sound to me. The bass can go very deep with amazing texture and very natural decay. The mids have great density and layering. It doesn’t sound forward or recessed to my ears. The treble, again super flat with great clarity and smoothness. Making the sound very transparent and airy without going to the edge in any part of the treble spectrum. The combination of low, mid and high create one of the largest spaces I have ever heard in earphones. It really manages to generate an outer hand soundstage rather the in head sound. It fooled me so many times on certain songs making me think the sound is actually really from outside. There are just not many words I can use to talk about the characters of the sound because it’s just so realistic and neutral, and truly doesn’t have any color. I am very impressed that this small universal IEM can produce a very BIG sound like speakers.

 

JH13: I wanted to burn in the JH13 for some more time since I just got it today and only running for like 7 hours. But JH13 has such a typical JH audio sound that I find myself confident enough to describe the sound. So any further change will be too subtle to change my opinion on its overall sound. The new FP jh13 is really something. It has its typical JH forward presentation with great clarity and smoothness. I have been having my JH16 for almost 2 years so I am very familiar to it, the new JH13 sound like a bass light version of my JH16, but better in almost every way. The bass on the new JH13 is very tight and fast with great decay and punch. The new jh13 has almost the same amount of sub-bass as JH16, which rumbles a lot! Some might like it some might find it messed up some bass light songs. The new jh13 has less mid/upper bass presentation, that makes the mids sound more neutral and forward than JH16. With that said, JH’s products still don’t present vocals very forward. It has a more pronounced upper mid/lower treble (4-10k Hz), so the instruments are thrown at you directly with all the details. This will give the presentation a very large width of soundstage, but somewhat lacking depth. JH13 does a better job in this area by adding more depth into the soundstage making the vocals less sibilant. Although JH13 has a better treble extension than JH16, the treble still rolls off quicker than it should have (about 12k, it starts to roll off).

 

Hidition NT6: This has been the benchmark of studio mixing type reference IEM for me. The spectrum is flat all the way, except a small hump at 11k, which takes the presentation to the brighter side to some extent. Although, it has such a liquid and smooth sound, some will find it bright period. I will not talk about it too much here. If you want to read about it you can go to average joe’s NT6 review.

 

SE 5 way: The best earphone I have ever heard and that still remains true till now. It’s just incredible in every way. It’s very dependent on different songs, so it really show you what the artists intended to do. The bass capacity is insane, no matter how much bass is required in the song, it will delivery. It has the resolution of the top class full sized headphones. Every time I put on any earphone after SE5, I will notice the resolution difference right away. Se5’s treble extends forever that I feel like I can even hear 19k with it. The whole presentation is just natural, musical and liquid like. It presents details in one of the cleanest and clearest ways. It feels like all the detail is delivered on a black and clean background while other earphones will need to lift brightness in order to do that. Anyways, again go to average joe’s SE5 review for more information.

 

1+2 vs JH13: Both sound super in their own ways. You will be impressed easily by either of them. They are both very dynamic with good speeds. The bass is equally tight and deep. 1+2 has more bass presence, so it punches a bit harder. The sub bass decay of 1+2 is faster than JH13. The mid region of 1+2 is more linear than JH13. JH13’s vocal is a bit recessed but the edge of vocal is more forward (if you know what I mean here). Also the vocals on JH13 have a bit more sibilance than the ones on 1+2. The soundstage of 1+2 is larger than Jh13’s. The depth is about the same. The detail is presented in different ways between the two. JH13 throws the detail directly in your face with great clarity. 1+2 has more transparent and airy presentation. Instrument detail is presented with great clarity but not as forward as JH13. JH13 has a unique tuning. It uses its rolled off upper treble to balanced out the forwarded lower treble, leading to a forward sounding, but with certain liquidity and smoothness. So although the presentation is forward, I still wouldn’t call JH13 bright (I will rather call it sibilant on vocals). 1+2 isn’t as forward, but has better treble extension, so it’s more linear and neutral. Both sound very smooth when well driven. For me, JH13 will be more suitable to today’s pop, electronic type of music, where as 1+2 is more capable of doing more genres.

 

With various tips, 1+2 can sound either worse than jh13, or better than JH13 IMO.

 

1+2 vs NT6: When I first put on the 1+2 with the stock tips, I find it sound almost identical to NT6. They share so many similarities. But when I switched to my “best” tips, 1+2’s treble becomes more neutral in terms of clarity, decay and brightness.

NT6 has a slightly more liquid lower treble, but as I said, its peak at 11k just make it too clear for my taste that I will have to take a rest after long period of listening. They both have very large soundstage, 1+2 has about +10% width and -10% depth.  Both have great controlled bass with 1+2 having a bit more presence. The mids are sitting at very similar positions. They are just sounding more similar than different.

 

1+2 vs SE5: With the best tips, 1+2 can certainly perform at the level of SE5. Technically I still think SE5 is superior due to its complexity of 5 ways crossover system. But 1+2 really keeps it up to the maximum extent. They both have incredibly bass extension. They both have the ability to create earthquake like 20hz full note. SE5 has a bit more mid/upper bass presence than 1+2. So 1+2’s bass decays a little bit faster while SE5 has a layer more of “body” to the whole sound signature. SE5’s is more mid forward than 1+2 giving SE5 fuller, denser vocals. The treble is very different between the two. Compared to se5, 1+2 has more forward treble with instantly better clarity while SE5 has more linear and extended treble that can provide the same level of clarity in another way. So as a result, 1+2 will present detail with combination of brightness and clarity where as SE5 will present detail with its extreme neutrality and resolution. The detail level is slightly higher on SE5 due to its more extended treble. The soundstages are about the same sizes for 1+2 and SE5 on poorly mixed tracks. But when it comes to well mastered songs, 1+2 surpass the soundstage width of SE5 without losing much depth. They both require large amount of healthy power to shine IMO, with SE5 being more power hungry.

 

These two IMO complement each other very well just like HD800 and LCD 3. 1+2 is neutral, se5 is natural, you try to tell the difference I am trying to express here. Both well balanced. I wouldn’t call SE5 dark and wouldn’t call 1+2 bright, but 1+2 is brighter than SE5. They can basically cover every genre of music you want to listen. For pop, hip hop and vocals I will pick SE5 first, and for classical and jazz, 1+2 will be the first (although they are both good on all genres).

 

Overall sound score (for me only):

 

SE 5 WAY: 98

NT6: 93

1+2: 86-96 (with good tip rolling)

JH13: 88

(JH16: 80)

 

Thanks for reading~

 

Nice read, thanks for sharing.  Now, if the 1+2 can only be made in a customized version...

 

Edit: Oh, and the TWag Hybrid V3 will improve the performance of the NT-6, at least it did for me, and made the NT-6 much easier to listen to for extended periods of time by shifting it to a more musical and liquid performance compared with the colder, more clinical performance with the stock cable.  Also, you should try something from Rooth, preferably the LS6 or LS8+ very_evil_smiley.gif

 

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Awesome comparison Tupac....I have two of the four and I am interested in the other two....I could never describe sound in such a precise way, but I agree with the aspects I understand. I had a hard time with 1plus2 tips but found good ones. StageDiver3 has awesome proprietary tips so I will try them too. I just adore my se5 but cannot use them all the time because you need time to put them and take them out....so at work I will have universals more often.

 

I think you may be able to get your insertion/removal close to nothing :)  It literally takes me about 1 second to put each shell of my SE5 in and maybe 2-3 seconds to remove them.  It typically takes me longer to insert universals, but of course removal is quicker.


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Nice read, thanks for sharing.  Now, if the 1+2 can only be made in a customized version...

 

It can :) but its not recommended because it will not sound as good.

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It can :) but its not recommended because it will not sound as good.

 

Exactly. I don't think 1+2 CIEM will sound as good as universal. 

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Nice read, thanks for sharing.  Now, if the 1+2 can only be made in a customized version...

 

Edit: Oh, and the TWag Hybrid V3 will improve the performance of the NT-6, at least it did for me, and made the NT-6 much easier to listen to for extended periods of time by shifting it to a more musical and liquid performance compared with the colder, more clinical performance with the stock cable.  Also, you should try something from Rooth, preferably the LS6 or LS8+ very_evil_smiley.gif

 

 

Thanks joe. Yeah. I Twag V2 hybrid and it already took the presentation to the more musical and warmer side. I am sure V3 will do it to a larger extent. 

 

I will probably try Fitear private C435 first, because I heard it sounds a lot like SE5 with a slight brighter presentation

 

I might have to send my 1+2 to you later some point for you to listen/or review. It's really something truly special! Trumps over lots of my CIEMs.

 

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Awesome comparison Tupac....I have two of the four and I am interested in the other two....I could never describe sound in such a precise way, but I agree with the aspects I understand. I had a hard time with 1plus2 tips but found good ones. StageDiver3 has awesome proprietary tips so I will try them too. I just adore my se5 but cannot use them all the time because you need time to put them and take them out....so at work I will have universals more often.

 

Thank you for reading man. It takes me about 1 second? or 2.. to put in or take out SE5. It was very hard to put in initially, but when it's being used, it become so easy because the silicone will be a lot smoother to work with.

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Great Review!

gj Tupac!

Thank you:)


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Thank-you, Tupac0306.  I appreciate the opportunity to read your impressions and comparisons.

 

I ordered a JH13 during the recent Memorial day sale.  I'd have made the jump to the SE5 but my ear canals aren't wide enough and I live in North America (SE shipping issues).

 

I've also ordered a Custom Art Pro 330 and a Unique Melody 3DD so in a few months I should be enjoying some CIEM variety.

 

Now I just need the market to remain static for a while (hah) so I'm not tempted to part with any more money.

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....Now I just need the market to remain static for a while (hah) so I'm not tempted to part with any more money.

 

 

Good luck with that...    evil_smiley.gif

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AJ (and anyone else who'd like to throw their two bob in biggrin.gif),

A question about the Serene Innovations hearing aid dryer, if I may ?

I noticed this device uses UV light to 'sanitise' whatever you put in it. Given 1964 obviously uses some kind of UV or laser based printing method (I presume ?) to get artwork on their face plates, I was wondering if the UV light in the dryer might mess up the artwork over time ?

I'm about to get one of these but have had this very slight nagging doubt in the back of my mind I'd like to set straight before I pull the trigger wink.gif


TIA
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Artwork no. But if you have clear acrylic shell then it could turn yellow after the first use. Because some of lacquers with which sells are coated turns yellow when over-exposed to UV light.

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