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Alclair use mainly Sonion drivers but some Knowles too, interesting that they use both

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Wow, I am really loving the spider art.  I will have to lift that idea for a future set.

 

This particular spider comes from Hunter X Hunter, if I am not mistaken -- a very original and intelligent manga.

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As his previous...but comes out irregularly as the author had numerous health / mental health issues I think.
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This particular spider comes from Hunter X Hunter, if I am not mistaken -- a very original and intelligent manga.
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As his previous...but comes out irregularly as the author had numerous health / mental health issues I think.

 

I think his current break is just that, however. Gon found his father, so Yoshihiro Togashi has just concluded the main plot after 340 chapters. He's been writing/drawing Hunter X Hunter since 1998; after 15 years, he deserves a good long break. Especially since he might not even know what comes next!

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Tanks for info, but how is the opening made to hold the filters? Are they threaded?

 

I am mostly afraid that sweet will come in to the BAs. And I cant clean away my sweat. I have tried to concentrate hard on not to sweat through my ears but it has not helped. ;) Maybe CIEM is not for jogging, but they make me run much faster!

 

If you don't want to risk it, I would not use it.  I killed my SA-12, with the filters, due to sweat.  Something like the i9pro, which uses a single dynamic driver and sounds very good would probably work and not be risky.  I have used that extensively for working out without any issues.

 

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That's the evil of this hobby. Once you scale up, there is no going down. I'm feeling sorry for my wallet.

 

Yes, sorry for your wallet, but your ears will be in extacy!

 

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This particular spider comes from Hunter X Hunter, if I am not mistaken -- a very original and intelligent manga.

 

I am not sure I care where it came from, put some spiders in my ears!

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If you don't want to risk it, I would not use it.  I killed my SA-12, with the filters, due to sweat.  Something like the i9pro, which uses a single dynamic driver and sounds very good would probably work and not be risky.  I have used that extensively for working out without any issues.

 

 

Hey Joe,

 

So you recommend i9pro among dynamic drivers?

 

What do you think about the upcoming UM 3DD 3-way dynamic driver?

 

What is the "sweat limit" for a BA driver?

 

I will get my 5-way next week and I have bought both vacuum and dryer box so I was hoping that with good care and long drying sessions in between I could use them alternately with my jh16 for short sweat sessions? I sweat even when I just sit in the sun. :( 

 

Do I need to consider injection of butox in my ears channels? :(

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Originally Posted by Lindskog View Post

 

 

I am mostly afraid that sweet will come in to the BAs. And I cant clean away my sweat. I have tried to concentrate hard on not to sweat through my ears but it has not helped. ;) Maybe CIEM is not for jogging, but they make me run much faster!

 

Lindskog, you're not the only one facing the predicament of whether or not to risk using BA IEMs / CIEMs whilst jogging/exercising!:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/443197/unique-melody-remold-appreciation-and-impressions-thread/3600#post_9383603

 

 

I share Joe's viewpoint - i.e. it's probably not worth it, and a dynamic driver would be much more resilient for exercise purposes.

 

 

I will also point out that the SE-5, in particular is:

 

1) (IMO), too expensive and complex to even consider risking with exercise!

 

2) already more prone to sweat than acrylic CIEMs, due to the incredibly good seal of the silicone (this is not based on theory; it's based upon having actually owned the SE-5 myself).


Edited by Mython - 4/27/13 at 6:43am
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Meh, I think it's difficult to say BA drivers in general are more at risk due to sweat. We probably hear about more failures from BA-based custom IEMs because, well, the vast majority of CIEMs use BA drivers. There just aren't that many users of Future Sonics and Aurisonics etc to really make a good sampling.

 

Plus whenever I doubt the resilience of CIEMs I just think of some sweaty rock band using them on tour for hundreds of days in a row. Those guys jump around on stage for hours a night, sweating buckets... and that's exactly who the CIEM was created for. 

 

Having established that, I personally don't like using a flagship custom for exercise. I worry about dropping them, snagging the cable, or just leaving them somewhere and never seeing them again. For me, the triple driver or quad driver model in the $400-600 range is ideal for that scenario. It sounds plenty good but wouldn't be quite so devastating to lose. 

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Meh, I think it's difficult to say BA drivers in general are more at risk due to sweat. We probably hear about more failures from BA-based custom IEMs because, well, the vast majority of CIEMs use BA drivers. There just aren't that many users of Future Sonics and Aurisonics etc to really make a good sampling.

 

 

 

Heheh! That's really ironic. By sheer coincidence, I do happen to own a pair of Future Sonics MG6 Pro tongue.gif

 

 

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Plus whenever I doubt the resilience of CIEMs I just think of some sweaty rock band using them on tour for hundreds of days in a row. Those guys jump around on stage for hours a night, sweating buckets... and that's exactly who the CIEM was created for.

 

 

That's a very good point.

 

Mind you, if I was in a rock band, I'd probably order 2 or 3 pairs, just to take care of any potential issues whilst on tour.

 

 

 

 

..aaaanyway, exercising with multi-BA CIEMs just seems unnecessarily putting them in potential harms way. I would also question how much of their hi-fidelity nuances one can really appreciate whilst listening to one's running foot falls, laboured breathing and intense heartbeat (OK, maybe it's just me with the heavy breathing, LOL!)

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

 

 

Heheh! That's really ironic. By sheer coincidence, I do happen to own a pair of Future Sonics MG6 Pro tongue.gif

 

 

 

 

That's a very good point.

 

Mind you, if I was in a rock band, I'd probably order 2 or 3 pairs, just to take care of any potential issues whilst on tour.

 

 

 

 

..aaaanyway, exercising with multi-BA CIEMs just seems unnecessarily putting them in potential harms way. I would also question how much of their hi-fidelity nuances one can really appreciate whilst listening to one's running foot falls, laboured breathing and intense heartbeat (OK, maybe it's just me with the heavy breathing, LOL!)

 

Creepy.....

 

But you're right - being active means you probably aren't all that focused on the sound to where you need the absolute best. A decent dual driver model is probably sufficient for most cases, and in fact that's what I use a lot (the Cosmic Ears BA2 in the micro shell for extreme comfort). 

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

 

Lindskog, you're not the only one facing the predicament of whether or not to risk using BA IEMs / CIEMs whilst jogging/exercising!:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/443197/unique-melody-remold-appreciation-and-impressions-thread/3600#post_9383603

 

 

I share Joe's viewpoint - i.e. it's probably not worth it, and a dynamic driver would be much more resilient for exercise purposes.

 

 

I will also point out that the SE-5, in particular is:

 

1) (IMO), too expensive and complex to even consider risking with exercise!

 

2) already more prone to sweat than acrylic CIEMs, due to the incredibly good seal of the silicone (this is not based on theory; it's based upon having actually owned the SE-5 myself).

 

Also, regarding using the SE5s while exercising I would think its a bad idea to exercise in silicon IEMs because their material is more porous than acrylic... likely to hold sweat... discolor... etc. 

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Originally Posted by Lindskog View Post

Hey Joe,

 

So you recommend i9pro among dynamic drivers?

 

What do you think about the upcoming UM 3DD 3-way dynamic driver?

 

What is the "sweat limit" for a BA driver?

 

I will get my 5-way next week and I have bought both vacuum and dryer box so I was hoping that with good care and long drying sessions in between I could use them alternately with my jh16 for short sweat sessions? I sweat even when I just sit in the sun. :( 

 

Do I need to consider injection of butox in my ears channels? :(

 

I have hear 2 dynamic driver CIEMs, the i9pro and AS-1b.  The i9pro has an audiophile tuning for bass heads while the AS-1b is tuned for stage musicians (mid-forward and lush).  Both have very large sound tubes in comparison with BAs, which have small sound tubes and small exit ports.  Water (sweat) can wick and then there is no air flow to remove the water without some "help" such as a dryer, etc.  The issue then becomes the mineral and oil (from sweat) deposits left behind.  This will affect both dynamic drivers and BAs, but due to the smaller form factor of BAs, it will occur quicker with BAs in my experience.  I had issues with my IE8 way back in the day when I wore it every do for hours for 6+ months with no cleaning.

 

I killed my SA-12 by pulling it our during a workout, talking to someone for 5+ minutes, and then, without cleaning the sweat that had accumulated around the opening of my ear canal, I stuck them in.  The sound was muffled, but later they just stopped working.  No matter how much desiccant I use, or how many time I stick them into my hearing aid dryer, they are still dead.  Alf from M-Fidelity (formerly Starkey) said the internal filter probably just needs a change, but I haven't sent them in.  I then switched to the i9pro, which actually sounds better anyways and haven't had any issues.  But then, I am careful not to repeat the catastrophic event.

 

I would love to hear the 3 dynamic driver UM product and see how it performs.

 

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Originally Posted by Mython View Post

 

Lindskog, you're not the only one facing the predicament of whether or not to risk using BA IEMs / CIEMs whilst jogging/exercising!:

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/443197/unique-melody-remold-appreciation-and-impressions-thread/3600#post_9383603

 

 

I share Joe's viewpoint - i.e. it's probably not worth it, and a dynamic driver would be much more resilient for exercise purposes.

 

 

I will also point out that the SE-5, in particular is:

 

1) (IMO), too expensive and complex to even consider risking with exercise!

 

2) already more prone to sweat than acrylic CIEMs, due to the incredibly good seal of the silicone (this is not based on theory; it's based upon having actually owned the SE-5 myself).

 

I agree it isn't worth the risk, but I don't think silicone is more prone to sweat damage than acrylic.  Silicone is impervious to sweat: think silicone caulk for showers.

 

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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

Meh, I think it's difficult to say BA drivers in general are more at risk due to sweat. We probably hear about more failures from BA-based custom IEMs because, well, the vast majority of CIEMs use BA drivers. There just aren't that many users of Future Sonics and Aurisonics etc to really make a good sampling.

 

Plus whenever I doubt the resilience of CIEMs I just think of some sweaty rock band using them on tour for hundreds of days in a row. Those guys jump around on stage for hours a night, sweating buckets... and that's exactly who the CIEM was created for. 

 

Having established that, I personally don't like using a flagship custom for exercise. I worry about dropping them, snagging the cable, or just leaving them somewhere and never seeing them again. For me, the triple driver or quad driver model in the $400-600 range is ideal for that scenario. It sounds plenty good but wouldn't be quite so devastating to lose. 

 

I have talked with many musicians that have killed CIEMs due to sweat, either short or long term.  Some rust out the contacts for the removable cables.  The real risk is with removing and reinserting, which musicians usually don't do much of.

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... I don't think silicone is more prone to sweat damage than acrylic.  Silicone is impervious to sweat: think silicone caulk for showers.

 

 

 

Ah, no, you slightly misinterpreted what I said - I didn't mean silicone itself is more prone to sweat damage; I mean silicone CIEMs are (in my experience with the SE-5, at least) more prone to give rise to sweating in the ear, and, by virtue of the increased sweating in the ear, thus more liable to lead to potential sweat problems in the CIEM tubing or BAs.

 

I experience significantly more sweating when wearing SE-5 than when wearing acrylic CIEMs (UM Miracle, FS MG6 Pro etc.)

post #2729 of 4387

Thanks for all wise thoughts!

 

Botox treatment of my ear channels it is then ;)

 

http://www.botoxseveresweating.com/

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Joe, this has probably been asked before but, what are your favorite CIEMs? Do you have one that you use most of the time, or are there a few that you like to use?

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