Originally Posted by IronLung
Thank you for the answer. The biggest problem is I don't know what I need. All I know is: hm801 has warm and darken sound and headphones must be bright enough and be quite different between UM Merlin
Sometimes I want to put another ciem and gets fresh sounding for fast music.
Not everything plays well with the 801. For example, I think there is a large negative effect with the IERM, but on the flip side the JH16 works very well with it. Which brought me to thinking, the JH13 might be a good fit as it seemed to me like the 801 with GAME card was made for the JH16. However, I am not sure what the new FreqPhase technology will do for the pairing.
There are plenty of options if you want speed...Hidition, JHA, Rooth, and to an extent the AM4 pro.
It sounds like you should probably figure out what you truly want so you don't have a CIEM laying around that you don't want to listen to.
Originally Posted by Mini0510
Hi Joe, for the difference between LS8 and JH16, there are several things that I'm concerned. I currently own JVC FX700 and I kind of want a bit more midrange. I mainly listen to rock/punk rock, a little hip pop and a little pop music.
1. When you mentioned that LS8 is more 3D than JH16, is it very apparent or only apparent in some specific moements?
2. as for the treble, I do like the treble for FX700, but I actually want a little more treble presence. I feel almost as if the bass of FX700 is overpowering the treble. Just wondering if JH16 can match the treble for FX700.
3. Does the bass enhancement for JH16 match FX700? I know LS8 has less bass than FX700, but alot less or a bit? It has more bass than JH13 right?
Here's is your comparison.
"Rooth LS8: Starting with the bass, the JH16 has more bass enhancement, bass depth and can reproduce more bass and sub-bass rumble than the LS8, but the LS8 is slightly warmer. In some songs I felt the bass of the JH16 was a little too much, but I didn't feel the same way with the LS8, although the bass detail, texturing, speed, and punch are similar. The midrange of the LS8 is slightly thinner yet smoother and more detailed to go with a more liquid treble vs. the more analytical sound of the JH16. This allows the LS8 upper mid/treble peak, which is more substantial than that in the JH16 to still be primarily free of sibilance and offer a smoother presentation to go along with more clarity than the JH16.
The soundstage of the LS8 isn’t quite as wide but is more 3D which is not readily apparent in music such as trance, but it is in many of my acoustic tracks. This can lead to instruments ending up in different places when A/Bing with the LS8 sounding more lifelike. The treble of the LS8 extends further than that of the JH16 and is flatter in my ear. Overall, the JH16 is more bass heavy and has more midrange richness to go with less upper midrange emphasis compared with the LS8 which has better clarity and treble extension and performance. Both are punchy and lean toward the analytical side of things, however the LS8 is more on the analytical side."
1) Very apparent
2) I never A/Bed the two, so I can't say for sure
3) I would guess the JH16 is close, but maybe doesn't have quite the bass, but then see #2. I haven't heard the JH13.
Both the LS8 and JH16 should have more midrange, but the JH16 is a safer bet. Maybe you should consider the 8.A.
Originally Posted by project86
Well, it's been a while since I owned the original model, but I think it's more or less the same sound sig overall. Just improved in those areas as stated by JH. Possibly because of the improved technicalities, I find it less abrasive to use for longer term listening. The original had the "Wow!" factor but it caused some fatigue after a short time.
Obviously I'll have more to say about them when I've gotten to know them better.
Looking forward to your thoughts and review.
Originally Posted by GWagon
The more I search for the right CIEM, the more confused I get. I may just have to flip a coin in the end to make a decision or else I'd be searching forever!
I really appreciate the help though; what genre of music do you feel each is more geared towards? And finally, which do you feel has the better craftsmanship?
Remember, it is difficult to sell a CIEM unlike a universal, so I would choose wisely.
I would say the JH16 would be better for electronic while the 8.A is better with acoustic, although both do the other well. The 8.A is hard to beat from a craftsmanship standpoint as the Wizard's work is exceptional and he has an amazing attention to detail. He doesn't put artwork on his CIEMs, the CIEM is the art!
Originally Posted by RobotsEatCookie
Unfortunately, Wizard sadly informed me that 8.A's BAs are too big to compact into a universal form. :(
Just some quick questions: Is the Rooth LS8 demo similar to the Heir Audio 8.A? Which sounds closer to the 8.A-the LS8 or the 1plus2?
Thanks for all your advice and recommendations so far, they have been really helpful.
I can't answer these questions because I never made the comparison. I did compare the LS8 demo with the real LS8, and I compared the LS8 with the 8.A. I haven't heard the 1 plus 2, but my guess is the 1 plus 2 is closer to the 8.A than the LS8 based on what I know.
Originally Posted by anoxy
Hey joe, any plans to review the 1964 Ears V6 in the foreseeable future?
Not at this time. I still have several CIEM reviews to finish before I take on anything new.