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post #1936 of 4030
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Originally Posted by mrhizzo View Post

average_joe, do you can help me?

 

 

I think in buy a 1964-Q Quad Driver, Audio Earz AUD-5X or FitEar To Go! 334.

 

I need know if the expensive FitEar is better than 1964 and Audio Earz or one of these last is a good deal.

 

I never try a custom IEM. I try many IEMs like Westone 4R (my actual earphones), Shure SE535, CK100, Hifiman 252, PK1 and many others, but I want try a custom now.

A friend says you can not compare the sound of a custom with a traditional IEMs.

 

That´s all.

 

Sorry for my bad english! :D  

 

Thank you for the question.  The To Go! 334 performs better from a technical perspective as it is more coherent, has a more natural tone, better clarity, imaging, higher quality treble, and focus within the soundstage.  The 5X has better bass control and texture, more bass capability, and better dynamics.  Overall I would say the 334 has a more bass heavy sound signature (and the bass is more like that of a dynamic driver, but not the best dynamic drivers I have heard such as the TS842 and LSX5) compared to the balanced sound of the 5X, which has more upper mids and treble.  Taking the price into consideration, the 3 over $500 universal IEMs I have heard aren't on the same level as comparable custom IEMs, but in this case the very expensive 334 does outperform the $565 5X, which does perform well for its price point.

 

I have not heard the Q and I don't know of any comparisons between the Q and 5X, however from reading the Q has less treble presence, presumably closer in sound signature to the 334.  Audio Earz has the 6X which has a GR07 sound signature and the 7X which has the ES5 sound signature, but with more bass.

 

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Quite a few flagships you've tried there! I'm gonna second Average_Joe and request an EM6 vs 8.A comparison. VERY interested to hear how these two stack up against each other, particularly given there similar sigs.

 

Tupac0306 and I hear the 8.A a bit differently as I think he hears the 8.A as closer to the JH16 while I hear the 8.A as less bright than the 16.  I think we both hear the bass of both CIEMs in a similar way. 

 

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In terms of bass power or ultra high detail, they have similar characters. Other than that, they are very different to my ears. Totally different two sound signatures.

 

Thank you.  If you don't mind answering, how do you think each part of the spectrum compares (so myself and others can get a better feel for your experience)?

post #1937 of 4030
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

 

Thank you.  If you don't mind answering, how do you think each part of the spectrum compares (so myself and others can get a better feel for your experience)?

8.a Vs EM6 pro

In regard to two ends. 8.a has a slight V shaped spectrum compared to EM6's which is relatively more linear IMO. Both CIEMs have massive and powerful bass. 8.a has more sub bass and more bass quantity than EM6, EM6's bass has more punchy feel and greater depth to my ears. The biggest difference in bass is probably the speed and decay. EM6 is faster in those, so it links up better to the rest of the spectrum and makes also the sound more dynamic.  There are huge differences in the middle of the spectrum. EM6 has slightly more forward mids. Its combination of upper mids and lower highs is really balanced to my ears making the note presnetation smooth with amazing clarity, and airy in a good way without any sibilance. On the other hand, 8.a seems to have a exponential like response within the same frequency region, it has extremely warm upper mids and then suddenly generates a peak around 8.5 K which could produce lots of unpleasant sibilance if you are on the wrong track. They both have well extended ultra highs with a tiny bit more emphasis in 8.a.

 

Both IEMs are on the warm side for their sound signatures. If 0 represents the warmest, 10 is the coldest and 5 is neutral,

8.a will be somewhere at 3.5 (it would be 3.0 if there wasn't a hump around 8.5K).

EM6 will be at 4.5.

5 way: 4.8.

JH16: 6.5

to my ears of course


Edited by tupac0306 - 9/1/12 at 2:07pm
post #1938 of 4030
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Thanks tupac

post #1939 of 4030
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Originally Posted by average_joe View Post

 

You're welcome!  The ACS T1 Live! is a nice earphone that does many things well and does hold its own against most of the competition, but from my reading the sound sig will vary from both the JH13 and ES5, and I think it might actually be a cross between the two.  I don't hold the PFE 232 in the highest regards after a short audition, so I would think the T1 Live! should outperform the 232 by a decent margin (at least I think it would to my ears, but haven't A/Bed so I can't say with absolute certainty).

 

Before you make your decision think about the sound signature because if you don't like it, the money you saved will be wasted when you don't use it because you want a different sound.

Thanks a lot, average_joe. After trying out quite a few high end universals, I concur the described T1 Live! 's sound signature will definitely hit the sweet spot for me. Well maybe I'll get the JH16 or Miracle in the future to compliment them when I can afford it, but for now the T1 Live! is my top priority. Never can you have too many CIEMs, huh wink.gif. Plus they are not the easiest to get in where I do live permanently.

 

I have seen the pictures from your review. It looks like the silicone shell does attract quite a bit of dirt and debris compared to traditional acrylic. Also, I'm a bit afraid of the clear shell getting colored by ear wax and stuff. Can you comment on how the shell performs after some use?

post #1940 of 4030

Does anyone here with experience with multiple CIEM also have a Vsonic GR06?

The sound from this in-ear is pretty good for 60$ but still mediocre compared to my LCD-2.

BUT it has the ability to totally transform to a high end headphone using specialized software. Now it has the spaciousness, clarity and naturalness of a headphone many many times its price.

I'm looking to find this sound without any software in a CIEM and exceed it in refinement and without the reverberation you get from soundstage enhancing software.

Here is how you transform it very easily and for free.

 

Maybe its too much to ask, but I'm willing to ship this in-ear to anyone with serious knowledge and experience regarding customs to access the situation.

post #1941 of 4030
Hi All,

I still can't decide on the heir 8a or the NT-6pro. I know they are on opposite sides of the spectrum but still can't decide. I listen to a lot of dance, techno, pop and female vocals.

I have owned ckm99 which I find nice, although just a little much brighter than I would have liked, also I like the airy feeling and not enough bass.
Also owned the se530 and felt it was too warm with muddy sound and veiled highs.
The TF10 I feel have sightly too much bass and too much highs and recessed mids.
The XBA-3, I have auditioned sounds quite nice but could have more mids and a touch not so hot highs.

Can all of the CIEM gurus chime in and help?

Thanks a whole bunch.
post #1942 of 4030
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Originally Posted by sinsiang View Post

Hi All,
I still can't decide on the heir 8a or the NT-6pro. I know they are on opposite sides of the spectrum but still can't decide. I listen to a lot of dance, techno, pop and female vocals.
I have owned ckm99 which I find nice, although just a little much brighter than I would have liked, also I like the airy feeling and not enough bass.
Also owned the se530 and felt it was too warm with muddy sound and veiled highs.
The TF10 I feel have sightly too much bass and too much highs and recessed mids.
The XBA-3, I have auditioned sounds quite nice but could have more mids and a touch not so hot highs.
Can all of the CIEM gurus chime in and help?
Thanks a whole bunch.

 

From how you're describing these earphones, it seems like you'll definitely enjoy the NT-6 Pro more; however, I've heard neither, so I'll defer to average_joe...

post #1943 of 4030

I'd say that if you found the TF10 and SE530 too warm, then the 8.A is almost definitely not for you. 

post #1944 of 4030
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I'd say that if you found the TF10 and SE530 too warm, then the 8.A is almost definitely not for you. 

Thanks for the info project86. The SE530 I definitely felt too warm. But TF10, I felt very V shaped and slightly cold.
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Originally Posted by tomscy2000 View Post

From how you're describing these earphones, it seems like you'll definitely enjoy the NT-6 Pro more; however, I've heard neither, so I'll defer to average_joe...

Thanks Tom. I thought so too but very hard to make up my mind. But what I am afraid is NT-6pro might be too cold.


Thanks.
post #1945 of 4030
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Originally Posted by sinsiang View Post

Hi All,
I still can't decide on the heir 8a or the NT-6pro. I know they are on opposite sides of the spectrum but still can't decide. I listen to a lot of dance, techno, pop and female vocals.
I have owned ckm99 which I find nice, although just a little much brighter than I would have liked, also I like the airy feeling and not enough bass.
Also owned the se530 and felt it was too warm with muddy sound and veiled highs.
The TF10 I feel have sightly too much bass and too much highs and recessed mids.
The XBA-3, I have auditioned sounds quite nice but could have more mids and a touch not so hot highs.
Can all of the CIEM gurus chime in and help?
Thanks a whole bunch.

Nt6 pro will probably do the work better, especially in female vocal

post #1946 of 4030
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Originally Posted by 3nenbgumi View Post

Thanks a lot, average_joe. After trying out quite a few high end universals, I concur the described T1 Live! 's sound signature will definitely hit the sweet spot for me. Well maybe I'll get the JH16 or Miracle in the future to compliment them when I can afford it, but for now the T1 Live! is my top priority. Never can you have too many CIEMs, huh wink.gif. Plus they are not the easiest to get in where I do live permanently.

 

I have seen the pictures from your review. It looks like the silicone shell does attract quite a bit of dirt and debris compared to traditional acrylic. Also, I'm a bit afraid of the clear shell getting colored by ear wax and stuff. Can you comment on how the shell performs after some use?

 

The T1 Live! is a nice CIEM and has some great qualities!  The shell doesn't get dirty, but mine isn't as clear as when I received it, however I am not sure if that is because I tried an oxygen absorber in the case of my CIEMs to slow any possible copper oxidation.  But, I do think clear silicone does discolor.

 

And you are right, you can never have too many CIEMs!

 

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Originally Posted by Sweden View Post

Does anyone here with experience with multiple CIEM also have a Vsonic GR06?

The sound from this in-ear is pretty good for 60$ but still mediocre compared to my LCD-2.

BUT it has the ability to totally transform to a high end headphone using specialized software. Now it has the spaciousness, clarity and naturalness of a headphone many many times its price.

I'm looking to find this sound without any software in a CIEM and exceed it in refinement and without the reverberation you get from soundstage enhancing software.

Here is how you transform it very easily and for free.

 

Maybe its too much to ask, but I'm willing to ship this in-ear to anyone with serious knowledge and experience regarding customs to access the situation.

 

I think my Spiral Ear SE 5-way easily bests my LCD-2 v1 as it just sounds off in comparison.  I have also compared the 5-way with the GR07 (there is a short comparison in my 5-way review).  It has been reported that the aud-6X by Dream Earz also sounds like the GR07, but I haven't heard that.  Unfortunately I don't have time at the moment to try the software, but the 5-way and my aud-5X are both better from a technical perspective than the GR07, but still they don't sound quite as open as the LCD-2.

 

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Originally Posted by sinsiang View Post

Hi All,
I still can't decide on the heir 8a or the NT-6pro. I know they are on opposite sides of the spectrum but still can't decide. I listen to a lot of dance, techno, pop and female vocals.
I have owned ckm99 which I find nice, although just a little much brighter than I would have liked, also I like the airy feeling and not enough bass.
Also owned the se530 and felt it was too warm with muddy sound and veiled highs.
The TF10 I feel have sightly too much bass and too much highs and recessed mids.
The XBA-3, I have auditioned sounds quite nice but could have more mids and a touch not so hot highs.
Can all of the CIEM gurus chime in and help?
Thanks a whole bunch.

 

Thanks tomscy2000, project86, and tupac0306 for your input.  I do concur that 8.A is probably going to be too warm for you, and the NT-6 pro may be too bright for you, however the quality of the presentation is oh so much better, it might be able to get away with it.  The bass of the NT-6 pro is enhanced, but not like that of the TF10 or 8.A, and while it is on the colder side, it is not as cold as the NT-6.  I really enjoy listening to it since it has such high levels of clarity and detail yet a musical and exciting performance with an exceptional soundstage that is truly enveloping and better than that of the NT-6.  

 

I think there may be some better options for you including the UE IERM (usually referred to as the UERM, but with the new PRM, I am now calling it the IERM) and Rooth LS8+.  Both have added warmth vs the NT-6 pro and don't have the bass of the 8.A.  The IERM is more of an analytical reference monitor while the LS8+ is much more liquid and musical yet still crystal clear.  Another thought is the Ambient Acoustics AM4 pro, which would seem to fit your sound signature requirements and performs quite well if you amp it, but if you don't the treble isn't the smoothest (in comparison with CIEMs, not necessarily the TF10/XBA-3).

 

Let me know if you have any questions.  Links to all the reviews are in the first page of this thread, and I evaluated the LS8+ demo unit, which is in my Rooth demo thread.

post #1947 of 4030
Thanks to all of you guys!!!

I think I have made up my mind and might be getting the NT-6pro next month. I think that I shoud love the clarity and the added bass. Hope and pray I guess.

As I have always been a fan of AT's sound, I think the NT-6pro shoud be ok just scared that if it has any sibilance in the treble.


Thanks.
post #1948 of 4030
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Originally Posted by sinsiang View Post

Thanks to all of you guys!!!
I think I have made up my mind and might be getting the NT-6pro next month. I think that I shoud love the clarity and the added bass. Hope and pray I guess.
As I have always been a fan of AT's sound, I think the NT-6pro shoud be ok just scared that if it has any sibilance in the treble.
Thanks.

 

Great!  Let us know what you think once you get them and have some time with them.  I am hoping to get my NT-6 pro review up in the next week or so.

post #1949 of 4030

Great reviews.
I have one thing to ask though.
I am thinking about getting a budget level custom, and there don't seem to be any reviews of customs around the $200 mark.
Could you add some around there? I think it would help appeal to a wider crowd, as many people, like me, want the benefits of a custom without having to pay a very hefty sum.
 

post #1950 of 4030
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Originally Posted by potatoos View Post

Great reviews.
I have one thing to ask though.
I am thinking about getting a budget level custom, and there don't seem to be any reviews of customs around the $200 mark.
Could you add some around there? I think it would help appeal to a wider crowd, as many people, like me, want the benefits of a custom without having to pay a very hefty sum.
 

 

Pretty sure the only customs anywhere near that price would be reshells of normal IEMs, and in theory should sound very similar to the original IEM.

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