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post #1756 of 4815
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Wow really interesting to hear that some of demo sound way off. I think it might be due to multiple bore configuration of the real custom and one combined bore of demo. May be the sound travel in clash and cancel each other out when they combine. It seems like I have to get in shape and stay in shape for this toy to work forever. 555
Also, joe do you think the defferent between demo and real one that way off on JHA and UM are due to the seal only or the bore coniguration also? What if you can manage to get the best seal from the right size foam tip. Do you think the sound quality will still be off?

 

I think it has to do with any/all of the following: the seal, bone conduction of customized IEMs, which you don't get with demos, sound tubes, size of the air space in the shell, and depth of insertion.  I do know that a perfect seal of a custom can improve the sound dramatically vs. an imperfect seal.  And deep bass of the demos just doesn't compare with the deepest registers of the real thing.  I don't think a universal fit can equal a customized unit, but it can come close if everything is right with the build and fit.

post #1757 of 4815
Hello everybody,

At the moment I'm very seriously considering getting a pair of custom iem's. Currently I'm using IE8's with a pair of comply tips.
What I'm looking for is, quite obviously, a better SQ but equally important better outside noise-isolation.

Has anybody here ever used IE8's with the comply tips and then made the transfer to a ciem, and could you tell me if you are happy with the added isolation?

I'm currently using, and have for about 10 years, custom made earplugs. I have had a new pair of silicon since a quople of months and some older acrylic. Personally I find the acrylic has the edge over comfort and it's noise isolation is also (quite a bit) better, but this may be due to different fits and a manufacturers.
I'm extremely happy with the earplugs and would never home for work (3 months at a time since I'm a seaman) without. Also every year I seem to amaze my physisian when my hearing is being tested for my yearly medical, apparantly I have very good hearing for somebody that is in my line of work... Not sure how it compares to people with jobs that are not in a noisy environment, but I have no complaints abput my hearing. Personally I believe that this is for a large part due to my custom earplugs. I usually wear them roughly 11 hours per day at work - 7 days a week, and they have never ever been uncomfortable. Usually forget I'm wearing them, until my colleages remind me..

To cut a long story short, does anybody here perhaps also has custom made earplugs, and how does the isolation compare to you ciem's?
I would be quite disappointed when the isolation is about that of my IE8 with comply tips.
I'm currently considering the SE5 since I've understood the isolation is about the best out there for a ciem and it's SQ apparently is stellar. I'm also considering the earsonics EM6 as I've read some good things about them and apparantly also isolate very well for a acrylic ciem as it's a solid acrylic shell.

I'm not sure what sound I actually prefer, I'm quite happy with the sound of the IE8's and don't find them too bass heavy at all. But these are my only higher end iem's and as such I have not much to compare them with. I'll be using the ciems primarily with a cowon J3 or Iphone 4s (although I'm far from happy with that phone SQ-wise) and have no problem getting an headphone amp to go with with.

Hope you didn't fall asleep throughout reading all this, and appreciate your comments:o

Thanks,
Ben
post #1758 of 4815
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Originally Posted by BSdV View Post

Hello everybody,
At the moment I'm very seriously considering getting a pair of custom iem's. Currently I'm using IE8's with a pair of comply tips.
What I'm looking for is, quite obviously, a better SQ but equally important better outside noise-isolation.
Has anybody here ever used IE8's with the comply tips and then made the transfer to a ciem, and could you tell me if you are happy with the added isolation?
I'm currently using, and have for about 10 years, custom made earplugs. I have had a new pair of silicon since a quople of months and some older acrylic. Personally I find the acrylic has the edge over comfort and it's noise isolation is also (quite a bit) better, but this may be due to different fits and a manufacturers.
I'm extremely happy with the earplugs and would never home for work (3 months at a time since I'm a seaman) without. Also every year I seem to amaze my physisian when my hearing is being tested for my yearly medical, apparantly I have very good hearing for somebody that is in my line of work... Not sure how it compares to people with jobs that are not in a noisy environment, but I have no complaints abput my hearing. Personally I believe that this is for a large part due to my custom earplugs. I usually wear them roughly 11 hours per day at work - 7 days a week, and they have never ever been uncomfortable. Usually forget I'm wearing them, until my colleages remind me..
To cut a long story short, does anybody here perhaps also has custom made earplugs, and how does the isolation compare to you ciem's?
I would be quite disappointed when the isolation is about that of my IE8 with comply tips.
I'm currently considering the SE5 since I've understood the isolation is about the best out there for a ciem and it's SQ apparently is stellar. I'm also considering the earsonics EM6 as I've read some good things about them and apparantly also isolate very well for a acrylic ciem as it's a solid acrylic shell.
I'm not sure what sound I actually prefer, I'm quite happy with the sound of the IE8's and don't find them too bass heavy at all. But these are my only higher end iem's and as such I have not much to compare them with. I'll be using the ciems primarily with a cowon J3 or Iphone 4s (although I'm far from happy with that phone SQ-wise) and have no problem getting an headphone amp to go with with.
Hope you didn't fall asleep throughout reading all this, and appreciate your comments:o
Thanks,
Ben

 

Hi Ben,

 

I am one of the user from IE8 for 4 yrs to ciem, I currently begin to step into the ciem stream.

 

Reason Personally:

- I really like the IE8 I even went to get an upgrade cable.... but

1. after wearing it for long my ear will sore

2. the isolation.... I purchase comply tips every 3 months...  since they come in 3 pair in 1 package... [at that point I thought isolation was good till I get to demo JH and Livewires from Jaben...]

3. After 4 yrs I feel that the song does not have the wow factor... not sure if my hearing has improved greatly it.

4. There was a time I wanted to smash my IE8 and send for remold to custom.... but I changed my mind after reading forums...

 

I been poison seriously due to this forum.... but I manage to hold on to the rule that these are comments / review from user who definitely have the money / experience. someone like joe I been looking at reviews after reviews...

 

What's more I thought I was more to dynamic driver signature at that time before I decided to purchase IE8 I tried westone3 and I can say I hated the sound signature... not sure why... maybe I do not have any experience to appreciate it Balanced Amateur Driver.

 

So yeah 4 years has passed.... I decided to try BA driver but I dare not get westone... instead I hunt for a earpiece here.... head-fi is really a treasure cave I manage to read about HF5 is using a single BA on each earpiece... there I started to like it...

 

My poison gotten over me.... I went ahead to try JH and Livewire,.... cut it short the story.... I gotten myself JH5 pro... which runs on dual BA. one high and one low on each earpiece... the music is totally unique from IE8 and I am loving it... I currently planning to get NT-6 / NT-6 pro either one of them probably a year to three years later. I wanted to see how much the ciem can really involved while I stop the poison... temporary with my JH5 pro... a good stepping stone into the ciem... there's many others you can try read up joe reviews it really helps alot... if you got any question ask JOE he response to your pm.

post #1759 of 4815
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BSdV View Post

Hello everybody,
At the moment I'm very seriously considering getting a pair of custom iem's. Currently I'm using IE8's with a pair of comply tips.
What I'm looking for is, quite obviously, a better SQ but equally important better outside noise-isolation.
Has anybody here ever used IE8's with the comply tips and then made the transfer to a ciem, and could you tell me if you are happy with the added isolation?
I'm currently using, and have for about 10 years, custom made earplugs. I have had a new pair of silicon since a quople of months and some older acrylic. Personally I find the acrylic has the edge over comfort and it's noise isolation is also (quite a bit) better, but this may be due to different fits and a manufacturers.
I'm extremely happy with the earplugs and would never home for work (3 months at a time since I'm a seaman) without. Also every year I seem to amaze my physisian when my hearing is being tested for my yearly medical, apparantly I have very good hearing for somebody that is in my line of work... Not sure how it compares to people with jobs that are not in a noisy environment, but I have no complaints abput my hearing. Personally I believe that this is for a large part due to my custom earplugs. I usually wear them roughly 11 hours per day at work - 7 days a week, and they have never ever been uncomfortable. Usually forget I'm wearing them, until my colleages remind me..
To cut a long story short, does anybody here perhaps also has custom made earplugs, and how does the isolation compare to you ciem's?
I would be quite disappointed when the isolation is about that of my IE8 with comply tips.
I'm currently considering the SE5 since I've understood the isolation is about the best out there for a ciem and it's SQ apparently is stellar. I'm also considering the earsonics EM6 as I've read some good things about them and apparantly also isolate very well for a acrylic ciem as it's a solid acrylic shell.
I'm not sure what sound I actually prefer, I'm quite happy with the sound of the IE8's and don't find them too bass heavy at all. But these are my only higher end iem's and as such I have not much to compare them with. I'll be using the ciems primarily with a cowon J3 or Iphone 4s (although I'm far from happy with that phone SQ-wise) and have no problem getting an headphone amp to go with with.
Hope you didn't fall asleep throughout reading all this, and appreciate your comments:o
Thanks,
Ben

 

I have found the fit and shell fill of silicone and acrylic does affect the isolation of the shells, but canal length affects the isolation quite a bit.  

 

Several years ago the IE8 was my favorite until I realized that they were veiled.  I really liked the spaciousness, but the lack of clarity compared with many other CIEMs stopped me from enjoying many of my tracks after I heard clearer IEMs.  Something like the EM6 will give you better clarity and really better everything and the solid acrylic shell does isolation quite well.  If you are going to consider the EM6, some others you may want to consider include the 8.A (my 8.A review will be up soon) and SA-43 and maybe even Spiral Ear and ACS products.  I would suggest the i9pro, but the port reduces isolation.

post #1760 of 4815

Thanks Miragez and Joe, for your quick replies.

 

I have absolutely no doubts that moving to a ciem will be a major improvement in overall sound quality, and I think or at least expect that most custom made's will be an improvement over my IE8's.

 

Why the custom made IEM's are so appealing to me is that when I'm listening to my music - mostly outside the accomodation of a ship next to the ships funnel, a noisy place - I crank up the volume, to levels that I believe are quite normal. But once I get inside the accomodation and things are a lot more quiet, I only notice how loud I'm playing my music. So as much as I really enjoy good sound quality, isolation is at least as important to me, so that in twenty years or so I still enjoying my music.

 

 

It has actually surprised me a little that silicone ciems are known for better isolation. Where I've bought my custom ear plugs not too long ago I had the choice of acrylic or silicon. I opted for the silicone as I wanted to try something new, but when looking at the charts the acrylic plugs were rated with a higher isolation.

Personally I really believe that once good ear impressions are made, acrylic can be as comfortable as silicone. Also when I'm talking to others at work with my acrylic plugs in, I never have noise leakage.(or whatever this is called..)

 

I'm also not a person that would buy a decent ciem,but already with the plan to upgrade this one later to a better one. Then I would rather buy a better one straight away and enjoy them for a long time.

 

After reading some of your reviews I've gotten quite interested in the spiral ears, I have sent them an email a few days ago for some info but so far I haven't received any reply yet. I enjoy good detail and if I read your review well, this one performs here admirably. Icing on the cake for me would be the isolation. If I'm not  mistaken you have rated this ciem as having the best isolation. For some people custom design is quite important, personally I like the no nonsense looks of the SE5.

 

Also EM6 has got me very interested from what little I could find. Contacted them and they came back with some info. Ciems are rated 25-28 db isolation.

 

Whilst I have absolutely no preference where the customs are built, I prefer to buy my iems from some place in the EU so I don't get to pay a hefty import tax on top. German custom's are quite more punctual as the Dutch as I've found out not too long ago...

 

But if I understand you right Joe, whatever it will be, noise isolation will also greatly improve (with a proper fit of course) over my IE8's right?

 

 

Again, thanks for all the help and any suggestions are more then welcome.

 

Ben

post #1761 of 4815
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Just about any CIEM will provide better isolation than the IE8, but there will be many factors to determine just how much the increase will be, with one of them being you.  For example, I think I have more bone conduction of outside sound than a friend that also has custom IEMs as I can hear things at seemingly louder volumes while wearing custom IEMs than he can.  Acrylic shells are, in my opinion, more durable, especially the thicker ones or shells that are filled.  They also provide more isolation, but the silicone shelled customs I have isolate better than acrylic.  I am not sure why the acrylic plugs are rated higher than silicone, maybe ask the manufacturer.  I would be interested to hear their response.  

 

I think you have some good options in Europe including Starkey, Spiral Ear, ACS, and Earsonics.   I would read reviews of them all and see what seems to fit what you are looking for and then ask questions.

post #1762 of 4815
You have a very good point there with the fact that different people can have different isolation due to different bone conduction of outside sound. Never actually thought about this.
Yesterday I actually ordered my first set of ciem's. Since I will be away from home within two weeks I had to decide rather quick whether to get a pair now or next leave which will be in about 4 months from now.
I've called Starkey for some information about their SA43 and delivery time. At that time it was still a toss up for me between the EM6, SA43 and SE5. Person making the ciem's was on vacation - so if I wanted to go for the SA43 it would have been in at least 4 months. Would have been fine but the one thing in your review that I didn't like too much was it's need to be driven by a good source. I don't mind bringing an extra headphone amp, but would appreciate it as well that when I will not have my mp3 player plus amp with me, I can still use my iphone and have half decent sound.

I'm very interested in the SE5, also due to the levels of detail it brings, but this one also needs a good source to have good output. Not a problem but still not preferrable for me. I'm also not sure about the silicone. Comfort wise I prefer acrylic over silicone, at least with my custom earplugs. I do have to say that my silicone plugs are quite soft, and the silicone ciems might well be less flexible and soft.

Then l called earsonics, and they were in fact very helpful. Took the time to answer all my questions and could also fabricate my ciems this coming week, provided they receive my ear impressions in time. So I've ordered the EM6. I have no illusions that an iphone 4s will drive them as good as better sources, but I think for the times when all I have with me is the 4s they will perform a bit better. I've found a good french review on the EM6, well for as much as I understood this, and from what little I have found here about the EM6 people seem very happy with it.

What I did notice however is that when ordering these ciems there is the option to have the full shell. This was according to them just to have highest sound quality but most people would not be able to hear the difference. When I asked whether this option makes the ciem have better isolation I was told that this doesn't really make a difference. I decided not to go for the full shell option as this was another 100€ on top, but I'm still not entirely sure about this.
I might just include that in my order before they start fabricating the ciem, anybody any ideas? Disadvantage would be that in the future I would not be able to upgrade the EM6, but I don't really care for that.

Does anybody have any suggestions what a good portable amp would be in combination with the EM6 and the iphone4/cowon J3?
post #1763 of 4815

Oh man if you wouldn't mind posting your impressions of the EM6 when it arrives it would be much appreciated.  There are a few of us on here waiting for some more in depth impressions.  

post #1764 of 4815
Absolutely no problem, but I'm very doubtfull if it's going to be very helpfull as I don't really have anything to compare them with, exept my IE8's but I think that's not going to be much of an comparison.
However, once I've spend a some time with them I will definately try to give my impressions as good as I can.
post #1765 of 4815

That's fine, even if you have a full sized stereo setup that comparison would be helpful.  Honestly there are very few reviews on these out there, which you mentioned previously, so anything would be nice haha.

post #1766 of 4815
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Originally Posted by BSdV View Post

You have a very good point there with the fact that different people can have different isolation due to different bone conduction of outside sound. Never actually thought about this.
Yesterday I actually ordered my first set of ciem's. Since I will be away from home within two weeks I had to decide rather quick whether to get a pair now or next leave which will be in about 4 months from now.
I've called Starkey for some information about their SA43 and delivery time. At that time it was still a toss up for me between the EM6, SA43 and SE5. Person making the ciem's was on vacation - so if I wanted to go for the SA43 it would have been in at least 4 months. Would have been fine but the one thing in your review that I didn't like too much was it's need to be driven by a good source. I don't mind bringing an extra headphone amp, but would appreciate it as well that when I will not have my mp3 player plus amp with me, I can still use my iphone and have half decent sound.
I'm very interested in the SE5, also due to the levels of detail it brings, but this one also needs a good source to have good output. Not a problem but still not preferrable for me. I'm also not sure about the silicone. Comfort wise I prefer acrylic over silicone, at least with my custom earplugs. I do have to say that my silicone plugs are quite soft, and the silicone ciems might well be less flexible and soft.
Then l called earsonics, and they were in fact very helpful. Took the time to answer all my questions and could also fabricate my ciems this coming week, provided they receive my ear impressions in time. So I've ordered the EM6. I have no illusions that an iphone 4s will drive them as good as better sources, but I think for the times when all I have with me is the 4s they will perform a bit better. I've found a good french review on the EM6, well for as much as I understood this, and from what little I have found here about the EM6 people seem very happy with it.
What I did notice however is that when ordering these ciems there is the option to have the full shell. This was according to them just to have highest sound quality but most people would not be able to hear the difference. When I asked whether this option makes the ciem have better isolation I was told that this doesn't really make a difference. I decided not to go for the full shell option as this was another 100€ on top, but I'm still not entirely sure about this.
I might just include that in my order before they start fabricating the ciem, anybody any ideas? Disadvantage would be that in the future I would not be able to upgrade the EM6, but I don't really care for that.
Does anybody have any suggestions what a good portable amp would be in combination with the EM6 and the iphone4/cowon J3?

 

You really can't go wrong with any of them, but Alf at Starkey is out for that long, wow.  My Starkey SA-12 is canal only and does provide quite good isolation, so going with something smaller shouldn't be an issue.  And you can read my source matching section of my EM4 review, which should be at least similar to how sources will pair with the EM6.

post #1767 of 4815
I'm actually not sure how long he's away, but since earsonics told me they can make my ciem on wednesday provided they receive my impressions this monday, it made it slightly easier for me to choose. For something costing still quite a bit of money, this is maybe a very bad argument, but the fact the EM6 should be easier to drive gives me a bit more flexibility. That is what really made the difference for me.
I have thought about full shell vs normal, the person I spoke with on the phone -not Franck- told me that it's only too maximise the SQ, not so much to increase the isolation. Here on head-fi I've read otherwise, and yesterday I've asked ES to fabricate them also with a full shell, just to have the peace of mind that I do have the maximum isolation I can get with an acrylic ciem.
post #1768 of 4815
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You really can't go wrong with any of them, but Alf at Starkey is out for that long, wow.  My Starkey SA-12 is canal only and does provide quite good isolation, so going with something smaller shouldn't be an issue.  And you can read my source matching section of my EM4 review, which should be at least similar to how sources will pair with the EM6.

 

Ahh, I see what you mean Joe. I actually didn't mean that Alf is out for 4 months, but I meant that because he was on vacation last friday I would probably not be able to get the customs made by Starkey and have them shipped beck to me before my company ships me out again.blink.gif

post #1769 of 4815

Ooh, now I don't hope that everybody thinks that if they want Starkey ciem's they have to wait for at least 4 months and then decide to go elsowhere...

post #1770 of 4815
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Ahh, I see what you mean Joe. I actually didn't mean that Alf is out for 4 months, but I meant that because he was on vacation last friday I would probably not be able to get the customs made by Starkey and have them shipped beck to me before my company ships me out again.blink.gif

 

Thanks for clearing that up...I know Starkey is quick once they get impressions.

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