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post #1441 of 4815
I already emailed them quite a while ago asking about the possibility of a demo unit, review, whatever. No reply. Tried again later just to make sure I wasn't stuck in a spam filter. Still nothing.

I think there are some custom companies who simply wish to focus on their own local market. Which is fine. Except when plenty of other companies are reaching out to worldwide customers.... It's not really wise to make zero attempt to compete with the global competition in terms of pricing.

Then again some of these smaller firms appear to have very little knowledge about the state of other custom iem companies. That is probably why they price their stuff in the way that they do.
post #1442 of 4815
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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

I already emailed them quite a while ago asking about the possibility of a demo unit, review, whatever. No reply. Tried again later just to make sure I wasn't stuck in a spam filter. Still nothing.

I think there are some custom companies who simply wish to focus on their own local market. Which is fine. Except when plenty of other companies are reaching out to worldwide customers.... It's not really wise to make zero attempt to compete with the global competition in terms of pricing.

Then again some of these smaller firms appear to have very little knowledge about the state of other custom iem companies. That is probably why they price their stuff in the way that they do.

Yeah, same thought crossed my mind: big fish in an isolated pool, never guessing there is an ocean just yards away (or, perhaps, deliberately burying one's head in the sand..?). Can't carry on like that indefinitely in the internet age.. Adapt or become extinct.
Edited by Mython - 4/18/12 at 11:37am
post #1443 of 4815
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I already emailed them quite a while ago asking about the possibility of a demo unit, review, whatever. No reply. Tried again later just to make sure I wasn't stuck in a spam filter. Still nothing.
I think there are some custom companies who simply wish to focus on their own local market. Which is fine. Except when plenty of other companies are reaching out to worldwide customers.... It's not really wise to make zero attempt to compete with the global competition in terms of pricing.
Then again some of these smaller firms appear to have very little knowledge about the state of other custom iem companies. That is probably why they price their stuff in the way that they do.

 

I too attempted to contact them quite a while ago, and more than once as well ;) 

 

I didn't add them to my manufacturers list since I wasn't sure what to put since they never replied, even to requests for more information.


Edited by average_joe - 4/18/12 at 9:50pm
post #1444 of 4815

They did reply me after a week, but then the pricing was so ridiculous, especially with the current exchange rate, that I can't actually consider them. I mean a single driver for $660AUS is really quite an investment...and doesn't sound appealing at all.

 

Hey Project86, if you're saying that they don't know the market price of these products, could that also mean that their sound quality might not be in line with the other products too? (could be a lot better or a lot worse)

post #1445 of 4815

A single BA Driver is crap but a single Dynamic driver can be the all in all.

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They did reply me after a week, but then the pricing was so ridiculous, especially with the current exchange rate, that I can't actually consider them. I mean a single driver for $660AUS is really quite an investment...and doesn't sound appealing at all.

 

Hey Project86, if you're saying that they don't know the market price of these products, could that also mean that their sound quality might not be in line with the other products too? (could be a lot better or a lot worse)

 

 

post #1446 of 4815

They're meant for stage use (if you read their website), so I think dynamic would be unlikely, since you probably need air holes for the dynamic driver

post #1447 of 4815

Many professional artist such as: Bono from U2, Sting, Tom Petty, Steely Dan are using dynamic custom made earphones on stage.

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They're meant for stage use (if you read their website), so I think dynamic would be unlikely, since you probably need air holes for the dynamic driver

 

 

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I too attempted to contact them quite a while ago, and more than once as well ;) 

 

I didn't add them to my manufacturers list since I wasn't sure what to put since they never replied, even to requests for more information.

 

Good call. If they can't answer a simple request for info, even to say "No thanks, not interested in a review, but here is some product information", then they don't really deserve a spot on "The List". 

 

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Originally Posted by Xymordos View Post

They did reply me after a week, but then the pricing was so ridiculous, especially with the current exchange rate, that I can't actually consider them. I mean a single driver for $660AUS is really quite an investment...and doesn't sound appealing at all.

 

Hey Project86, if you're saying that they don't know the market price of these products, could that also mean that their sound quality might not be in line with the other products too? (could be a lot better or a lot worse)

 

I suppose their sound quality could be towards the top of the heap compared to other products. But the more likely result is that it would be roughly on par or even significantly worse than others.

 

Jerry Harvey obviously knows a lot about his competition. So does Westone. Just because they have both been in the game for so long. UM has had many competitors in for reshell, so they know a lot too. And Heir Audio is run by a Wizard/doctorate level Audiologist who happens to have examined many other customs, and even designed a few for some foreign competitors (before starting Heir). So I trust all of them to know where the playing field is and what level it takes to compete. Not so much for an isolated product like this. Maybe it sounds good but at those prices I'm not willing to bet on it. 

 

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Many professional artist such as: Bono from U2, Sting, Tom Petty, Steely Dan are using dynamic custom made earphones on stage.

 

 

 

And way more artists over the years have chosen to use armature based designs. That doesn't really tell us anything about the objective quality of each type of driver. Both have been used in successful/well reviewed custom IEMs, so why argue about which is inherently better? 

 

post #1449 of 4815

My goal in saying this was that a monitor are being used on stage not that it is better then a BA with a closed shell.

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Good call. If they can't answer a simple request for info, even to say "No thanks, not interested in a review, but here is some product information", then they don't really deserve a spot on "The List". 

 

 

I suppose their sound quality could be towards the top of the heap compared to other products. But the more likely result is that it would be roughly on par or even significantly worse than others.

 

Jerry Harvey obviously knows a lot about his competition. So does Westone. Just because they have both been in the game for so long. UM has had many competitors in for reshell, so they know a lot too. And Heir Audio is run by a Wizard/doctorate level Audiologist who happens to have examined many other customs, and even designed a few for some foreign competitors (before starting Heir). So I trust all of them to know where the playing field is and what level it takes to compete. Not so much for an isolated product like this. Maybe it sounds good but at those prices I'm not willing to bet on it. 

 

 

And way more artists over the years have chosen to use armature based designs. That doesn't really tell us anything about the objective quality of each type of driver. Both have been used in successful/well reviewed custom IEMs, so why argue about which is inherently better? 

 

 

 

post #1450 of 4815
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Good call. If they can't answer a simple request for info, even to say "No thanks, not interested in a review, but here is some product information", then they don't really deserve a spot on "The List". 

 

Yep, and with that said, I requested again.  When I originally found the site I believe it didn't have all the info it has now.  The custom IEM market has grown at quite a rate lately.

 

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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

I suppose their sound quality could be towards the top of the heap compared to other products. But the more likely result is that it would be roughly on par or even significantly worse than others.

 

Jerry Harvey obviously knows a lot about his competition. So does Westone. Just because they have both been in the game for so long. UM has had many competitors in for reshell, so they know a lot too. And Heir Audio is run by a Wizard/doctorate level Audiologist who happens to have examined many other customs, and even designed a few for some foreign competitors (before starting Heir). So I trust all of them to know where the playing field is and what level it takes to compete. Not so much for an isolated product like this. Maybe it sounds good but at those prices I'm not willing to bet on it. 

 

Yes, it could be the best thing there is, or it could be awful, but there is only 1 way to find out. If they believe in their product, I would think they would want it reviewed.

 

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Originally Posted by project86 View Post

And way more artists over the years have chosen to use armature based designs. That doesn't really tell us anything about the objective quality of each type of driver. Both have been used in successful/well reviewed custom IEMs, so why argue about which is inherently better? 

 

I can see it coming down to personal preference, or the choice of the bands sound engineer, at least from what I have heard. 

post #1451 of 4815

 

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Yep, and with that said, I requested again.  When I originally found the site I believe it didn't have all the info it has now.  The custom IEM market has grown at quite a rate lately.

 

 

Yes, it could be the best thing there is, or it could be awful, but there is only 1 way to find out. If they believe in their product, I would think they would want it reviewed.

 

 

I can see it coming down to personal preference, or the choice of the bands sound engineer, at least from what I have heard. 

 

Cool, I hope you get a positive result from them.

 

I think some bands might just go with whoever is willing to give them the best sponsorship deal. When you are a well known band, you are a commodity to the custom IEM market, and plenty of them would be willing to give discounts or freebies in order to use your name as one of "their bands" who "choose" their product. Or as you said, maybe the monitor engineer has preferences too. But I doubt any of these bands are going out and trying a bunch of customs to choose the best one for them. 

 

Maybe they need to consult this thread! Seriously, a reggae band would have different needs than a jazz trumpeter or a vocalist. This thread could help! 

post #1452 of 4815

Joe, hope you can get a positive reply this time! :)

 

How DO band sound engineers choose the ciems for their band members? I would love to know and see what customs my favorite bands are using :P

post #1453 of 4815

ACS seem to supply most of my favourite bands according to this http://www.acscustom.com/uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=95&Itemid=50

post #1454 of 4815

I want to know what customs Dragonforce uses, checked a lot of custom manufactures and couldn't find them. Also sent an email to Dragonforce bu they never replied....

post #1455 of 4815

A table of what artists use what brand/model customs would be a fun little thing to compile... it'd certainly spur a lot of fanboys/fangirls to go custom! biggrin.gif

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