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Colorfly CK4, finally some competition for the HifiMan 60X ?

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I suppose a few of you had catched this piece of info from MP4 nation's blog, but since nobody opened a dedicated thread, I thought it would be good to try summarizing information about this new PMP.


After what seems like a critical success gathered by its C4 high end PMP, Colorfly has apparently decided to release an entry-level model, more affordable and with the same audio-oriented spirit to quickly create a reputation for itself. The CK4 could be a C4 for the cost minded customer (AKA the cheapstake wink_face.gif). Here are some of the specs, as gathered on soomal.com and imp3.net :


Screen : 4.3"TFT, (touchscreen technology ?)

CPU : C4V, same as C4.

DAC : CS4398, same as C4.

 

Amp : same as C4, or downgraded version C4-R.


Opamp : ADA4075-2, but possibility for difference on a lower priced version.

Miscellanea : Dedicated 3,5" Line Out and Headphone Out, 24/192 support, TF Card (MicroSD) support, physical buttons (On/Off, Volume +/-, Hold switch), 16Gb or 8Gb storage.

There is a doubt on Jitter reduction capability. The CK4 was initially presented as sporting the same jitter reduction as the C4 (less than 5ps), but the 8Gb model on sale at Taobao is listing a jitter reduction of less than 100ps. This could be the indication of the lower model, with C4-R downgraded amp.

 

Filetype support : Audio - WAV, FLAC, APE, MP3, MP2, WMA, OGG, AAC.
                            Video - RM, RMVB, MP4, AVI, FLV, MPE, MPG, DAT, WMV, ASF, 3GP, MOV, VID, VOB, MKV.


Release date : February 27th in China, available on Taobao from March 2nd

                        Date unknown for export.

Intro price :  8Gb model is sold for 800RMB (120$US) on Taobao as of March 2nd

                  16Gb model price still unknown.




Obviously we can not expect this player to feature all the fancy electronics included with his bigger brother, however dropping the luxurious wood to replace it with aluminium + plastic will help getting a lighter and cheaper PMP. The internal components are also very accessible, hinting at a possibility for battery change and mods, however I wouldn't hold my breath over a capacitive screen given the price, but that would be just great.


It seems that Colorfly is going to introduce 2 different models, one with emphasis on the audio while the other will be aimed at the mass market. The difference being made on the amp chip (OP-Amp chip maybe, sorry the google translation isn't very good).


Finally a few pictures from the tear-down at soomal.com :

 

CK4 and Itouch

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Overall pictures

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Internals

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Review in chinese : http://ipad.soomal.com/doc/20100001891.htm

Google translation : http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fipad.soomal.com%2Fdoc%2F20100001891.htm&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

 

Review in chinese (Thanks RAFA) : http://site.douban.com/widget/notes/1658930/note/131902530/

Google Translation : http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http://site.douban.com/widget/notes/1658930/note/131902530/&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhg9_E5kBpOgmjbLr9KoIQAcVcY7Cw


Tear down in chinese : http://www.soomal.com/doc/10100001860.htm

Google Translation : http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=auto|en&u=http://www.imp3.net/1/show.php%3Fitemid%3D30768&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1


Original info in chinese : http://www.imp3.net/1/show.php?itemid=30768

Google Translation : http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=auto|en&u=http://www.imp3.net/1/show.php%3Fitemid%3D30768&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1


MP4Nation's blog post : http://mp4nation.net/blog/2011/02/colorflys-newest-mp3-player-pocket-hifi-ck4/


Edited by frenchbat - 3/3/11 at 4:33pm
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After the critical success gathered by its C4 high end PMP


Right.....

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Maybe I got carried away a little here tongue_smile.gif, still a few japanese reviewers are quite happy with the player itself, putting it on par with the HM801 they also own. 

 

I'll change it for "what seems like a critical success", happy now ?

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Maybe I got carried away a little here tongue_smile.gif, still a few japanese reviewers are quite happy with the player itself, putting it on par with the HM801 they also own. 

 

I'll change it for "what seems like a critical success", happy now ?


Hehe, sure.  wink.gif  Well, the build looks great if they all actually look like that in production form.  I'll reserve judgement till some trusted ears hear it.  I will say if the same shills come into Headfi and try to hype this thing like they did w/ the C4 this thing will fade from my memory faster than the Kardasians.  The C4 was marketed w/ the biggest BS I've ever seen in a DAP.  Hope this thing works out and actually makes nice w/ IEMs.  Competition is always good.  Cheers.  It appears to have LO this time, kudos.

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I guess you refer to the strange review thread we've had a few days ago. Well yes that was odd, but Mike from Headfonia actually liked the player despite a few caveats, and I think he has quite some experience under his belt.

 

Anyway the point is exactly that I think : to introduce some competition into this market, and that PMP could be a good challenger it seems. LO would make it very practical for amp use, and with a MicroSD card you can probably bump it to 32Go + 16Go, which is at least decent. I'm just a bit afraid of what kind of cuts has been done to the C4 to get down to less than 1/3 of its price.

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I guess you refer to the strange review thread we've had a few days ago. Well yes that was odd, but Mike from Headfonia actually liked the player despite a few caveats, and I think he has quite some experience under his belt.

 

Anyway the point is exactly that I think : to introduce some competition into this market, and that PMP could be a good challenger it seems. LO would make it very practical for amp use, and with a MicroSD card you can probably bump it to 32Go + 16Go, which is at least decent. I'm just a bit afraid of what kind of cuts has been done to the C4 to get down to less than 1/3 of its price.

 

Yeah I saw the CK4 too, but did not want to post here anything till the 27th. Wanted to wait till it is released. I would like to give it a try. Only one thing is bugging me. I found in some comments here: http://p2.headfonia.com/2011/02/new-colorfly-c4-looks-nice-httpmp4na/ , that the CK4 will not be able to play mp3 files. Could something like that be true?
 

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Please give your impressions RAFA, as I'd love to hear how the SQ compares to the Cowon D2+ you own. Also, what the (rated) battery life is, as well as the actual perceived volume - is it LOUD?!?!?!

 

Thanks in advance,... popcorn.gif

 

TBH, it DOES look like re-branded Chinese PMP. I hope it's not, and I hope the quality is there. Too much OEM crap coming out nowadays,...

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Please give your impressions RAFA, as I'd love to hear how the SQ compares to the Cowon D2+ you own. Also, what the (rated) battery life is, as well as the actual perceived volume - is it LOUD?!?!?!

 

Thanks in advance,... popcorn.gif

 

TBH, it DOES look like re-branded Chinese PMP. I hope it's not, and I hope the quality is there. Too much OEM crap coming out nowadays,...

 

No problemo... and yes it looks like a typical chinese PMP. Wonder how your Archos 70 is doing, 250gb could handle my complete flac collection.
 

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So what kinda digital outs we lookin at here?

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So what kinda digital outs we lookin at here?



Sorry to disappoint you, but there is no digital out. Only headphone out and line out.

 

@frenchbat: Do you know what opamps are inside?

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No problemo... and yes it looks like a typical chinese PMP. Wonder how your Archos 70 is doing, 250gb could handle my complete flac collection.
 



 

The Archos 70 is doing great, I love it - but NOT for audio. For video, games, wifi net browsing @home, some gameplay - it's excellent!!! For Audio, sadly, Archos is still number 10 at least. I'd rather use a Creative DAP for audio - and I hate Creative's crappy SQ.

 

Now, thanks for keeping me in mind when you test the Colorfly CK4, I'll watch this thread for you opinion. I'm still disappointed w/the X7 & D3, so maybe this will cheer us both up.

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@RAFA : No, unfortunately that's one of the important info we're missing here. Especially since it looks like Colorfly is going to differentiate the players this way.
 

Regarding the lack of support for MP3, I really doubt it. It's probably so obvious that they haven't bothered writing it. We'll see soon anyway.

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The Archos 70 is doing great, I love it - but NOT for audio. For video, games, wifi net browsing @home, some gameplay - it's excellent!!! For Audio, sadly, Archos is still number 10 at least. I'd rather use a Creative DAP for audio - and I hate Creative's crappy SQ.

 

Now, thanks for keeping me in mind when you test the Colorfly CK4, I'll watch this thread for you opinion. I'm still disappointed w/the X7 & D3, so maybe this will cheer us both up.


As an owner of the Archos 32 I did not expect that bad SQ for the 70. Yeah the X7 and D3 are really dissapointing, these days I was again considering buying one of these, but when I read in the iAudiophile forum that you can boil water with the D3 while playing Angry Birds -> pass

 



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@RAFA : No, unfortunately that's one of the important info we're missing here. Especially since it looks like Colorfly is going to differentiate the players this way.
 

Regarding the lack of support for MP3, I really doubt it. It's probably so obvious that they haven't bothered writing it. We'll see soon anyway.


I found: http://site.douban.com/widget/notes/1658930/note/131902530/ This is a review of the prototype. In this review it is said what kind of opamp is inside, but i cannot decipher it with google, it is just too confusing to me. Hopefully some nice chinese speaking person could sum it up for us.

 

All I have gathered from the review is that it has very good SQ.

 

Another question about the CK4 is, whether it has a touch screen. First I thought no, but when taking a sharper look on the photo in the review, it seems that ui has a layout for a touchscreen.

 

As for the MP3, maybe the take it for self-evident.

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^ Excellent find RAFA ! But you're right it's close to undecipherable :p

I'll add the link in the first post for everyone to read.

 

I read very quick but the author is talking about a price between 1200 and 1500 RMB, so it's possible the thing is gonna be a bit more expensive than previously thought.

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^ Excellent find RAFA ! But you're right it's close to undecipherable :p

I'll add the link in the first post for everyone to read.

 

I read very quick but the author is talking about a price between 1200 and 1500 RMB, so it's possible the thing is gonna be a bit more expensive than previously thought.



1500 RMB = 228 USD = 166 EUR, that is a pretty strong price! In the beginning they talked about 1000RMB. This could also just be the estimation of the reviewer and not the real price range.

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