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post #3016 of 3997
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I really havent looked closely at my 558's but they (and the 598) do have a more spacious sound than the 600/650. I believe that Sennheiser probably has installed some type of baffles to create some reflections / delays to achieve this. But there is very little about the 558/598 that resembles the 800.

 

 But there is very little about the 558/598 that resembles the 800.
 

I didn't think so either or else the 598s would be selling like hot cakes.  I just thought they would have a scaled down version of the hd800 soundstage/spaciousness due to the "borrowed" technicalities of the HD800 (again see Steve Guttenberg's review). 


Edited by Old Groucho - 11/20/13 at 5:20pm
post #3017 of 3997

The main thing is the angled drivers. (this is what they meant by the slight angle to fire sound directly into the ear) That is the only aspect that I know is common between the HD598 and HD800.
When you wear either of these headphones backwards the soudstage is completely destroyed unlike the HD600 and HD650.


Edited by streetdragon - 11/20/13 at 5:57pm
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"When you wear either of these headphones backwards the soudstage is completely destroyed unlike the HD600 and HD650."

 

Streetdragon, sorry but I don't exactly understand what you mean by this.  Do you literally mean wearing the headphones "reversed" ?

 

:confused_face(1):

post #3019 of 3997
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Originally Posted by Old Groucho View Post
 

"When you wear either of these headphones backwards the soudstage is completely destroyed unlike the HD600 and HD650."

 

Streetdragon, sorry but I don't exactly understand what you mean by this.  Do you literally mean wearing the headphones "reversed" ?

 

:confused_face(1):

Uhh basically left earcup on the right ear and right earcup on the left ear. Not upside down lol.

post #3020 of 3997
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Originally Posted by streetdragon View Post
 

Uhh basically left earcup on the right ear and right earcup on the left ear. Not upside down lol.

Yep, that's what I understood & meant but why do that in the first place ?  That's what I'm curious about.  Is that a method for testing the soundstage ? :popcorn:


Edited by Old Groucho - 11/21/13 at 7:34am
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Originally Posted by Old Groucho View Post
 

Yep, that's what I understood & meant but why do that in the first place ?  That's what I'm curious about.  Is that a method for testing the soundstage ? :popcorn:

Well I just think it proves the concept that the angle of the driver affects the soundstage. Same for the K1000's variable angle, LCD2 and LCD3 with the angled earpads, and also the K701 with it's angled earpads. HD700 and HD800 have angled drivers too. Also I have seen people wear the HD598 backwards at the shop.

The HD650 and HD600 and any other headphone that has flat drivers don't suffer from wearing it reversed nearly as much if at all.


Edited by streetdragon - 11/21/13 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by streetdragon View Post
 

Well I just think it proves the concept that the angle of the driver affects the soundstage. Same for the K1000's variable angle, LCD2 and LCD3 with the angled earpads, and also the K701 with it's angled earpads. HD700 and HD800 have angled drivers too. Also I have seen people wear the HD598 backwards at the shop.

The HD650 and HD600 and any other headphone that has flat drivers don't suffer from wearing it reversed nearly as much if at all.

Thanks for the explanation streetdragon.  I'm therefore no longer interested in purchasing the hd598.  I already have the hd600 & hd650 along with the K702 (I keep these for the soundstage).  I basically wanted to compare the hd598 & k702 for their respective soundstage but I also don't want to spend money needlessly.  A couple of years ago I had a pair of hd800 but after a while I found them too fatiguing & sold them, although the soundstage was the best I've heard so far in my short experience as an audiophile.  I was just hoping that some sort of mystical audiophile ferry had come along & given a pair of $250 HP a scaled down but still great expansive soundstage.  :biggrin: 

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Originally Posted by Old Groucho View Post
 

Thanks for the explanation streetdragon.  I'm therefore no longer interested in purchasing the hd598.  I already have the hd600 & hd650 along with the K702 (I keep these for the soundstage).  I basically wanted to compare the hd598 & k702 for their respective soundstage but I also don't want to spend money needlessly.  A couple of years ago I had a pair of hd800 but after a while I found them too fatiguing & sold them, although the soundstage was the best I've heard so far in my short experience as an audiophile.  I was just hoping that some sort of mystical audiophile ferry had come along & given a pair of $250 HP a scaled down but still great expansive soundstage.  :biggrin: 

Well the HD598 has one of the best best soundstage at it's price point, though if certainly can't compete with the best among much higher end gear. If they did have HD800 soundstage on a $250 hp then they would be selling like umm beats around here:p

(also placing any material on the grill like cloth or foam will make he soundstage smaller and less transparent, so the internal reflector thing is pretty much bs)

post #3024 of 3997

Complete noob here. I'm looking to get a pair of 598s, however, I'm going to be using them nearly exclusively on my desktop which has it's standard on-board sound..  

 

I'm looking for an amp to go with them, preferably under $50. Not sure if it matters, but I'm going to be listening to female vocals (Indie'ish folk? Gabrielle Aplin as an example), classical and occasional classic rock (Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, ect)  Might I get some recommendations/opinions?

 

 

Thanks,

illyria

post #3025 of 3997
For less than 50 on an amp I would just enjoy the cans. They still sound great unamped, with an e11 I hardly noticed a difference than strait from an iPod.
post #3026 of 3997
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Originally Posted by streetdragon View Post

Uhh basically left earcup on the right ear and right earcup on the left ear. Not upside down lol.

What?!? Headphones are directional?!?! Hmmm.... are you sure about this? I may have been doing it wrong all these years.

Ha, ha. Just kidding. Of course I knew about that left/right thing. I did. Really.

The HD598 are a nice phone. If you are looking for a good $50 desktop amp for the HD598, I can't recommend one since I don't know the market for amps in that price range.

But if you're able to spend $50-60 more, I highly recommend the FiiO E09k. I'm really tickled at how good this amp sounds. Fantastic with both the 598s and the 600s.

I also recently got a Schiit Magni for $99. I haven't tried it yet with my Sennheisers, but this amp get a lot of raves as well.

These are two to look up. I'd say if you are looking for a desktop amp to use for a year or more, the extra cost above your $50 target will be well worth it. For the sound quality you'll be enjoying, it's really not that much more stretched over time.

Edit. Hmmm... Come to think of it, you may want to look into the FiiO E10. It's a USB dac meant for computer and has an amp built in. I have one. I used it as a dac & amp for a short while and then just the dac section with a line out feed to another amp. I recall it sounded very nice as an amp, though not as engaging as the E09K. It's a great value, though, and might just be the thing for you. I got mine in a deal for about $54, but I think they normally run around $75 or so.
Edited by K.T. - 11/24/13 at 10:32am
post #3027 of 3997

In my opinion you don't need an amp if you use them with your computer. 

post #3028 of 3997

Has anyone tried these with the uDAC-2?

post #3029 of 3997
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Originally Posted by Intjmastermind View Post

Has anyone tried these with the uDAC-2?

I have the uDAC 2 and 598, and I very much enjoy them together (I don't have anything to compare them with and I haven't heard anything better.) I am considering an upgrade to Schiit Modi+Vali when I have some extra cash.
post #3030 of 3997
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Originally Posted by revanxp View Post
 

In my opinion you don't need an amp if you use them with your computer. 

 

Every computer is different with really low end sound cards to really high end. Chances are if you're not a gamer and you bought your computer as is and didn't build it, you have sh*t for a sound card. (most just come with the motherboard) Just putting that out there.  :wink_face: 

 

You need an amp for every over ear headphone regardless of impedance to get the best out of them. In my opinion of course! (..and many others)

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