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post #2431 of 3962
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Originally Posted by hwc View Post

So I took my 8 year old HD595s, that I've used every single day since I got them, and sent them off for the flat-fee Sennheiser repair service when one of the arms holding an earpiece broke. These headphones were shot. They still sounded great, but the pads and headband and every part on them was worn out -- to the point the earpieces could just slide off the end of the headband. Can't really complain. I used them literally every day (don't even have speakers hooked up my my computer) for 8 years. I figured that for $79.95, the worst case was probably refurbed HD595's, but I suspected there was  good shot at getting HD598s back as the current model replacement.

 

So, I paid the $79.95 (that included UPS shipping labels both directions) and sent them off last Thursday. They arrived at Senn on Friday. Replacement was shipped on Monday and arrived today (Tuesday). Refurb HD598. Looked perfect, just packed in a refurb bag instead of a retail box. So, for $80 and my busted up 8 year old totally worn out 595s, I got a set of 598s. Not a bad deal at all. 

 

I'll do that deal again when I've used the 598s for eight years!

 

The flat rate repair/replace service isn't much of a deal on some models, but on others, it's a fantastic deal.

Way to go, hwc!

Way to go, Sennheiser!

 

Just got a itch to deal with Sennheiser again... maybe an Amperior or a Momentum... 

post #2432 of 3962
Quote:
Originally Posted by hwc View Post

So I took my 8 year old HD595s, that I've used every single day since I got them, and sent them off for the flat-fee Sennheiser repair service when one of the arms holding an earpiece broke. These headphones were shot. They still sounded great, but the pads and headband and every part on them was worn out -- to the point the earpieces could just slide off the end of the headband. Can't really complain. I used them literally every day (don't even have speakers hooked up my my computer) for 8 years. I figured that for $79.95, the worst case was probably refurbed HD595's, but I suspected there was  good shot at getting HD598s back as the current model replacement.

 

So, I paid the $79.95 (that included UPS shipping labels both directions) and sent them off last Thursday. They arrived at Senn on Friday. Replacement was shipped on Monday and arrived today (Tuesday). Refurb HD598. Looked perfect, just packed in a refurb bag instead of a retail box. So, for $80 and my busted up 8 year old totally worn out 595s, I got a set of 598s. Not a bad deal at all. 

 

I'll do that deal again when I've used the 598s for eight years!

 

The flat rate repair/replace service isn't much of a deal on some models, but on others, it's a fantastic deal.

this is making me rethink selling my 598s. they're really good but they're not getting enough love in my house. :(

post #2433 of 3962
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Originally Posted by NZheadcase View Post

this is making me rethink selling my 598s. they're really good but they're not getting enough love in my house. frown.gif

You'll miss them once they're gone.. Such a unique headphone. It took me a while to realise how much I love them.
post #2434 of 3962
Yeah I know! smily_headphones1.gif still struggling to decide. I might just postpone that decision indefinitely. Now if only i can find a way to grow another pair of ears...smily_headphones1.gifbiggrin.gif
Edited by NZheadcase - 5/17/13 at 8:11pm
post #2435 of 3962

Hey everyone.  I just received my HD598's today (purchased for my wife) and I couldn't resist doing a quick comparison to my existing pair of HD600's.  


 

 

My Audio Background -  

None really, I used to work as a sound engineer at a theatre but I consider myself an amateur at most.  This comparison is purely empirical and to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

Intro -  

I purchased the HD598 so my wife would have a nice pair of phones to listen to music and watch movies on.  I wanted something that wouldn't require an additional amp. purchase and would mesh well with her music tastes (Dave Matthews Band, Top 40).  I also wanted something sonically similar to the HD600 because she seemed to like my headphones bigsmile_face.gif.  Let's dive into it:

 

 


Comfort -  

I have a larger-than-average-head, which at times makes the clamping force of the HD600 too great; because of this my listening sessions are limited to around 1.5-2hours.  The HD598, possibly because of it's plastic construction, has a more flexible headband and sits more naturally on my head; because of the decreased clamping force and lighter weight, the HD598 wins in this area.

 

 

Price -  

At the time of this review, the HD598 costs $246US and the HD600 costs $399 on Amazon.  You can find better deals from other merchants but the HD598 gives you some serious bang-for-your-buck.

 

 

Sound -  

I tend to like reviews that compare headphones using specific songs so that's what I did.

 

Track 1:  The Lighthouse and the Whaler [Album:  The Lighthouse and the Whaler, Track:  Under Mountain, Under Ground, Genre: Indie-folk]

 

HD598

I love the intimacy of this acoustic track and the HD598 portrays that wonderfully.  The forward mids of the HD598 are evident in the vocals and the acoustic guitar.  The acoustic is wonderfully textured and detailed.  There does seem to be some graininess in the treble but not so much to be distracting.  The drums sound excellent, especially in the snap of the snares.  IMO there was a dip in the mid-bass.

 

 

HD600 - Winner

During the intro the mandolin really showcased the detail of the treble on the HD600's, they seemed to have more sparkle and presence.  Compared to the HD598, the vocals have a more airy-quailty.  The acoustic guitar is equally well-presented here but because of the increased treble-detail, has a greater sense of impact when the pick strikes the strings.  Bass is more prominent but not bloated.  

 

Track 2:  Pat Metheny [Album:  Pat Metheny, Unity Band, Track:  New Year: Genre, Jazz]

 

 

 

HD598

The graininess in the last track is present here as well, but not to the point of distraction.  The guitar is timbrally realistic, though a bit soft in it's detail.  The horns sound fantastic and are very realistic.  The cymbals really make this track and they sound great through the HD598; they are not sibilant at all and the decay sounds very natural.  

 

 

HD600 - Winner

The guitar sounds beautiful on this track.  The smoothness of the HD600 is very evident in Metheny's guitar.  Potter's Saxaphone sounds a bit more forward in the mix on the HD600's.  Double Bass on the HD600's sounds detailed but does not dominate the track.  Overall, this track is more immersive on the HD600.

 

Track 3:  Emancipator [Album:  Safe in the Steep Cliffs, Track:  Old Devil: Genre, Electronic, ]

 

 

 

HD598 - Winner

On this track the soundstage of the HD598 really shines.  The instruments are well-separated and can easily be picked out of the mix.  There is a strange-artificial quality to the strings though.  Some characterize the HD598 as bass-light but I found it to be very enjoyable here.  The violin is wonderfully detailed and textured here.  The heart of this song is the drums, it drives it forward; the HD598 portrays them realistically.  The kicks are impactful but never overpowering.

 

 

HD600

While the bass was great on the HD598, it is tighter and more detailed on the HD600.  Those troublesome orchestra hits sound more natural and mellower on the HD600s vs the HD598.  While the HD600 sounds a bit more cramped width-wise, interestingly, this track has a greater sense of depth.  The solo-violin loses some of the texture vs. the HD598, but still sounds detailed.

 


 

Conclusions -  

It was a pleasure listening to both the HD598 and the HD600, and while I preferred the HD600 on 2/3 tracks, it was not a sweep by any means.  If price was an issue, I would not hesitate to recommend the HD598 given than it performs nearly as well in most areas (Mids, Timbre, Detail) and exceeds in Soundstage + Comfort.  Hope you had fun reading the review, it was a blast writing it!

 

 

Test-gear:  

FLAC>iPod5.5>LOD>Crack + Speedball>HD600

FLAC>iPod5.5>LOD>Musical Fidelity XCANS>HD598

 

Edited by dsound - 5/17/13 at 8:33pm
post #2436 of 3962

Did Sennheiser ever fix the cracking on the side of the HD598s?  I ask because mine are cracked and out of warranty so I'm wondering if sending these off to get fixed isn't going to give me the same brittle plastic peace that I have now.  Thank you for any info you can add.
 

post #2437 of 3962

Yes.  The cracks are fixed.  I got my pair a few years ago, and the only thing cracking is the headband cushion. 

post #2438 of 3962

Yeah I notice the headband cushion for mine is pretty much flatten now..Maybe I should buy some kind of foam and tape it 

post #2439 of 3962

I think I'll just contact support, and buy that extra part... not really needed, but it's been perfection for about 2 years now.  Or you could get the 558 cushion.  It should fit, granted the color isn't right.  

post #2440 of 3962
Just made a mod to make them a little more portable, even though they weren't intended to be that portable. Shortened the cord to half the length. Love these cans so much

post #2441 of 3962
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Originally Posted by dsound View Post


Conclusions -  
It was a pleasure listening to both the HD598 and the HD600, and while I preferred the HD600 on 2/3 tracks, it was not a sweep by any means.  If price was an issue, I would not hesitate to recommend the HD598 given than it performs nearly as well in most areas (Mids, Timbre, Detail) and exceeds in Soundstage + Comfort.  Hope you had fun reading the review, it was a blast writing it!


Test-gear:  
FLAC>iPod5.5>LOD>Crack + Speedball>HD600
FLAC>iPod5.5>LOD>Musical Fidelity XCANS>HD598



 


Nice review dsound, thanks for sharing it.

Did you try your 600's with the XCan? Seems to me the crack really affects the sound of the 600.
post #2442 of 3962
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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post


Nice review dsound, thanks for sharing it.

Did you try your 600's with the XCan? Seems to me the crack really affects the sound of the 600.

Hey Palmfish, glad you liked the review normal_smile%20.gif.  The XCAN used to be my main amp with the HD600's & It did a great job with them.  I posted some of the differences a while back between the Crack and the XCAN:

Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

Going from my hybrid (XCANS v1) to the Crack OTL, the treble is more rolled off with the crack and the mids pushed forward.  I agree with Jmstrmbn's assessment of the soundstage expanding; orchestral pieces are more enjoyable because the sounds are more-layered.  

 

Oh, and one of the biggest draws of the Crack is the reduced listening-fatigue that I experience.  This is probably due to the rolled-off treble.

 

 

 

 
post #2443 of 3962
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

 

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Originally Posted by dsound View Post

Hey everyone.  I just received my HD598's today (purchased for my wife) and I couldn't resist doing a quick comparison to my existing pair of HD600's.  


 

 

My Audio Background -  

None really, I used to work as a sound engineer at a theatre but I consider myself an amateur at most.  This comparison is purely empirical and to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

Intro -  

I purchased the HD598 so my wife would have a nice pair of phones to listen to music and watch movies on.  I wanted something that wouldn't require an additional amp. purchase and would mesh well with her music tastes (Dave Matthews Band, Top 40).  I also wanted something sonically similar to the HD600 because she seemed to like my headphones bigsmile_face.gif.  Let's dive into it:

 

 


Comfort -  

I have a larger-than-average-head, which at times makes the clamping force of the HD600 too great; because of this my listening sessions are limited to around 1.5-2hours.  The HD598, possibly because of it's plastic construction, has a more flexible headband and sits more naturally on my head; because of the decreased clamping force and lighter weight, the HD598 wins in this area.

 

 

Price -  

At the time of this review, the HD598 costs $246US and the HD600 costs $399 on Amazon.  You can find better deals from other merchants but the HD598 gives you some serious bang-for-your-buck.

 

 

Sound -  

I tend to like reviews that compare headphones using specific songs so that's what I did.

 

Track 1:  The Lighthouse and the Whaler [Album:  The Lighthouse and the Whaler, Track:  Under Mountain, Under Ground, Genre: Indie-folk]

 

HD598

I love the intimacy of this acoustic track and the HD598 portrays that wonderfully.  The forward mids of the HD598 are evident in the vocals and the acoustic guitar.  The acoustic is wonderfully textured and detailed.  There does seem to be some graininess in the treble but not so much to be distracting.  The drums sound excellent, especially in the snap of the snares.  IMO there was a dip in the mid-bass.

 

 

HD600 - Winner

During the intro the mandolin really showcased the detail of the treble on the HD600's, they seemed to have more sparkle and presence.  Compared to the HD598, the vocals have a more airy-quailty.  The acoustic guitar is equally well-presented here but because of the increased treble-detail, has a greater sense of impact when the pick strikes the strings.  Bass is more prominent but not bloated.  

 

Track 2:  Pat Metheny [Album:  Pat Metheny, Unity Band, Track:  New Year: Genre, Jazz]

 

 

 

HD598

The graininess in the last track is present here as well, but not to the point of distraction.  The guitar is timbrally realistic, though a bit soft in it's detail.  The horns sound fantastic and are very realistic.  The cymbals really make this track and they sound great through the HD598; they are not sibilant at all and the decay sounds very natural.  

 

 

HD600 - Winner

The guitar sounds beautiful on this track.  The smoothness of the HD600 is very evident in Metheny's guitar.  Potter's Saxaphone sounds a bit more forward in the mix on the HD600's.  Double Bass on the HD600's sounds detailed but does not dominate the track.  Overall, this track is more immersive on the HD600.

 

Track 3:  Emancipator [Album:  Safe in the Steep Cliffs, Track:  Old Devil: Genre, Electronic, ]

 

 

 

HD598 - Winner

On this track the soundstage of the HD598 really shines.  The instruments are well-separated and can easily be picked out of the mix.  There is a strange-artificial quality to the strings though.  Some characterize the HD598 as bass-light but I found it to be very enjoyable here.  The violin is wonderfully detailed and textured here.  The heart of this song is the drums, it drives it forward; the HD598 portrays them realistically.  The kicks are impactful but never overpowering.

 

 

HD600

While the bass was great on the HD598, it is tighter and more detailed on the HD600.  Those troublesome orchestra hits sound more natural and mellower on the HD600s vs the HD598.  While the HD600 sounds a bit more cramped width-wise, interestingly, this track has a greater sense of depth.  The solo-violin loses some of the texture vs. the HD598, but still sounds detailed.

 


 

Conclusions -  

It was a pleasure listening to both the HD598 and the HD600, and while I preferred the HD600 on 2/3 tracks, it was not a sweep by any means.  If price was an issue, I would not hesitate to recommend the HD598 given than it performs nearly as well in most areas (Mids, Timbre, Detail) and exceeds in Soundstage + Comfort.  Hope you had fun reading the review, it was a blast writing it!

 

 

Test-gear:  

FLAC>iPod5.5>LOD>Crack + Speedball>HD600

FLAC>iPod5.5>LOD>Musical Fidelity XCANS>HD598

 

 

 

One additional area of comparison between the HD598 and the HD600 that I forgot was Movies.  Watched the new Les Miserables movie with the wife yesterday and the HD598 as much better to my ears.  I think this is due to the HD598's warmer sound signature vs. the HD600.  The movie sounded more lush and engaging vs. with the HD600's.

 

 
post #2444 of 3962

How do these sound with a good source/amp/DAC opposed to just plugging it in an ipod? I had these a while back but I remember I returned them because they were too "dry" sounding to me. Haha, I had no knowledge of amps/DAC's back then.

post #2445 of 3962

Better overall sound. Punchy bass, smother treble. On a good set-up you will feel the whole headset hum to life figuratively and literally on some tracks. I used this direct to an iPhone myself, with not too satisfactory results. But on a good amp and dac combo or amp-dac all in one, you will feel the price is more than justified. 

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