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How can we remove the veil or muddy sound signature of most of Sennheiser headphones. I intend to buy a MoonAudio Black Dragon V2 cable. It is advertised that can remove the veil of Sennheiser headphones. Do not know if it is true or not? Need to be confirmed by experienced head-fier. k701smile.gif.

Do you personally believe the purchase of a new cable will result in significantly clearer music? If you do, it certainly will sound that way. 598 doesn't have the veil you're talking about though, you'd be better off asking in the 600/650 threads if they are the headphones you are referring to.

 

I personally felt the Momentums to be excellent at their price point. Quite good for on-the-go use, one of the headphones I actually rather liked but didn't end up keeping due to CIEMs doing the portable scene better. 

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Compared to the 650 and 600, I definitely think the 598 is muddy/unfocused sounding. To be fair though, I think that's the case every time you step up in resolving power. Getting used to the 800 will make the 650 sound blurry etc.

 

Once I spend some time adjusting to the 598s however, I don't notice the difference as much anymore. Those things are always comparative. I don't think it makes sense to call the 598 veiled and not take into account context. There's nothing particularly veiled about it imo.

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*should be* but they are FAR from circumaural unless you have ears the size of a 10 year old. I love the look personally.. but the fit is supraaural. Not comfortable at all for me. And I have a normal sized 7-7 1/4 noggin.. would've kept them if they fit better frown.gif

LOL! Well Tyle's ears fit in them.
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Here is my latest eq for the Graphic Equalizer DSP for Foobar 2k. The small lift above 5k gives a bit of crispness. I also tried the Crossfeed DSP and that seems to give a bit more depth after a while.

 

I will just give the HD600s back and enjoy the HD598s

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LOL! Well Tyle's ears fit in them.

 

I felt like I had to squish and fold my ears in to fit the cups.. It's *too* encompassing. And my ears touch everything. Definitely a no no for me comfort wise.

Since we're talking closed/portables ..Momentum earpads are 50mm X 35mm.

quoted from Tyll: For reference, inside dimensions of UE6000 60mm X 37mm (my personal sealed portable choice); Sony MDR-1R 59mm X 40mm; V-Moda M-100 57mm X 35mm; Denon AH-D5000 64mm X 42mm.

 

HD598's however.. oh heaven. How thee has blesseth thy lobeths with comfort.

edit: I guess my ears are 1/2 inch too big to make em circumaural.


 


Edited by RochRx7 - 4/9/13 at 9:59am
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I went back to Magnolia for a second opinion today. So maybe the Momentums arent AS muddy as I first thought. They are definitely a bassy headphone with some bloated midrange and somewhat sibilant treble - standard "consumer" frequency curve.

The earcups are small. I cant imagine anyone over the age of 8 fitting their complete ear inside them.

The HD558 is a damn fine headphone for the price. A little bit of grit overall and treble can be a little steely, but for the money, a true audiophile sound. I wish I had the HD598 to compare them to - my memory of them is almost 2 years long now...
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Found a deal online for refurbished HD558 for $90. Snatched them up! They'll be a nice compliment to my HD800 for traveling/MP3 listening.
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Found a deal online for refurbished HD558 for $90. Snatched them up! They'll be a nice compliment to my HD800 for traveling/MP3 listening.

Theyre 100 (used) on Amazon, so they may have a nice return policy.
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I went back to Magnolia for a second opinion today. So maybe the Momentums arent AS muddy as I first thought. They are definitely a bassy headphone with some bloated midrange and somewhat sibilant treble - standard "consumer" frequency curve.

The earcups are small. I cant imagine anyone over the age of 8 fitting their complete ear inside them.

The HD558 is a damn fine headphone for the price. A little bit of grit overall and treble can be a little steely, but for the money, a true audiophile sound. I wish I had the HD598 to compare them to - my memory of them is almost 2 years long now...

Would be curious about the source being used, as well as your familiarity with the music when it comes to your evaluation of the Momentums. Would also be curious to hear what a reference headphone to you sounds like. Not saying that your impressions are wrong by any means, but all of the above make a difference in the judgment of a headphone.

 

Used at home on an O2/ODAC with my computer and portably on the Clip+ for months, I can very much agree on the bassy headphone attribute - it's not heavily and unpleasingly emphasized, but a bit loose. Midrange is quite good, not at all bloated to my ears. Treble is not sibilant, but rather recessed. I've talked to quite a few Head-Fiers who agree with these generalized findings, you can also look at Tyll's graphs on InnerFidelity for objective measurements.

 

Don't think there's such a thing as a standard "consumer" curve. The notion that the average person prefers heavily emphasized bass is just not true, research studies have shown even those unknowledgable about music prefer a more neutral sound when it comes to music.

 

On the topic of the 598s, I've seen Oyaide cables for them and am seriously consider picking one up despite the headphone/cable price ratio. The 598s are not getting a lot of head time, but I've always wanted a less unwieldy cable for them.

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Would be curious about the source being used, as well as your familiarity with the music when it comes to your evaluation of the Momentums. Would also be curious to hear what a reference headphone to you sounds like. Not saying that your impressions are wrong by any means, but all of the above make a difference in the judgment of a headphone.

Used at home on an O2/ODAC with my computer and portably on the Clip+ for months, I can very much agree on the bassy headphone attribute - it's not heavily and unpleasingly emphasized, but a bit loose. Midrange is quite good, not at all bloated to my ears. Treble is not sibilant, but rather recessed. I've talked to quite a few Head-Fiers who agree with these generalized findings, you can also look at Tyll's graphs on InnerFidelity for objective measurements.

Don't think there's such a thing as a standard "consumer" curve. The notion that the average person prefers heavily emphasized bass is just not true, research studies have shown even those unknowledgable about music prefer a more neutral sound when it comes to music.

Good questions.

First, let me reiterate that my comments were based on first impressions obtained while standing at a display wall in Best Buy/Magnolia. No ABX, no volume matching, no critical listening.

OK, with that out of the way, the source was my iPod Touch 3G and Sansa Clip Zip plugged into the wall display input jack. Very familiar with the music and how it sounds on my home system. The headphones on their wall all have in-line volume controls so there is obviously an amplifier between my source and the headphones themselves.

My reference sound (or memory of the sound) is my current HD800 plugged into my Benchmark DAC1. I also owned for a long time the Denon Ah-D7000 and HD600. I have also owned the Objective2 and am very familiar with how it sounds (virtually indistinguishable from my Benchmark DAC1).

I am very sensitive to midrange thickness (its one my my pet peeves) so even a trace of mid-bass bleed turns me off immediately. The Momentums didnt sound bad, but they definitely have a boosted bass and thick midrange to my ears. The treble brightness was something I picked up on during my most recent listen. Dont know if its a peak of a specific frequency, or an overall signature. I would need more time with them to really evaluate them.

Im not familiar with the research studies you are referring to. I know that Beats, Bose, Monster, Koss, and the other "mainstream" headphones that I have auditioned all seem to have emphasized bass. Beats alone has almost half the entire marketshare in the US. If research has proven that the "typical" US consumer prefers neutral sound, I believe that Beats would be the largest seller of neutral-sounding headphones in the US.
Edited by palmfish - 4/9/13 at 3:33pm
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I agree that the average consumer prefers bassier headphones. When the average person goes into a store and listens to several headphones, most of the time the one they are going to say sounds the best is the one with the most bass. A "V" shaped frequency response has more "wow" factor than a flat one so that's what mainstream manufacturers go for.

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Here is my latest eq for the Graphic Equalizer DSP for Foobar 2k. The small lift above 5k gives a bit of crispness. I also tried the Crossfeed DSP and that seems to give a bit more depth after a while.

 

I will just give the HD600s back and enjoy the HD598s

 

Can you export the EQ as a file and upload it?

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Ah man.  I bring news most grave.  I don't suppose anyone knows where I can buy a new headband cushion?  Mine has kinda began cracking.  I want to say this was a defect, but thinking back... I am entering my second year with these set... might be time for new ear cushions as well.

 

Y'know... Looks like the 558 has a velour headband pad as opposed to the vinyl found on the 598.... I wonder if it fits. 

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Ah man.  I bring news most grave.  I don't suppose anyone knows where I can buy a new headband cushion?  Mine has kinda began cracking.  I want to say this was a defect, but thinking back... I am entering my second year with these set... might be time for new ear cushions as well.

Y'know... Looks like the 558 has a velour headband pad as opposed to the vinyl found on the 598.... I wonder if it fits. 
Is it the typical cracking of the headband at the side or is it just the cushion? Also the earpads on the hd558 is harder than the hd598 although it is the same material. The headbanc cushion however i am unsure if it fits since the hd558 headband is covered in leather while the hd558 one is just stuck into a plastic groove.
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Is it the typical cracking of the headband at the side or is it just the cushion? Also the earpads on the hd558 is harder than the hd598 although it is the same material. The headbanc cushion however i am unsure if it fits since the hd558 headband is covered in leather while the hd558 one is just stuck into a plastic groove.

 

Just the glued on cushion bit.  The actual cracking issue is still not there.  To be honest it really isn't that bad.  Think I'll take time this weekend, and just e-mail the US branch.  See what they can do to help me. 

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