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post #1921 of 3980

I have a quick question for you all if someone would indulge me.

 

Is there a volume range in Windows 7 where you can listen to 598's and not expect people 2-4' away to hear? There are so many vague descriptions out there on the leakage of these that I'm finally just asking myself. Can you listen at 1-10% without other people hearing, or is it "If you can hear it, at all, they can hear it at least a little".

 

Going nuts trying to decide between these or getting Beyerdynamic 770's. The 770's seem like they'd fit my need of occasional *stealth mode*, but the 598's just seem so much more appealing from everything I'm reading.

post #1922 of 3980
I have had a pair of HD595's for about a year and a half. Really enjoyed them as I listen to Jazz the most, but have a wide taste in music. Had a pair of Shure 840's and enjoyed them but I ended up I selling them because I almost always used the Senns at home and found myself using my Etsy's on the go and could just my cheap Panny's when I wanted to listen to bass heavy music.

I recently sent my 595's in because the headband crack had got really bad on one side and was bothering me. Sennheiesr just sent me a new pair of 598's in the mail today to replace them. Excited to get a new pair of 598's and listen to an improved version of my 595's that I already enjoyed. However as many people have said they are a significant upgrade, a good number of people who have owned both 595 and 598's have also said the difference was negligible. As much as I have enjoyed my 595's I have also wanting to dabble into ortho's and have been obsessing over owning a pair of HE-400's despite the fact I can't afford them.

So now my dilemma now is should I be happy with a new pair of 598's coming in the mail that aren't costing me anything or sell them as new and use that money as well as the money I got from my shure 840's as well to put towards a pair of HE-400's. Only problem with that is I can see myself not being satisfied pairing my FiiO e10/e11 with the HE-400's and wanting to buy a magni, mogi stack that I can't afford. Kinda worried that the 598s won't be that different from my 595s and wishing I has sold them unopened to fund HE-400s. Also don't know if I will be able to let the 598's sit unopened while I am trying to sell them. Don't know what I am going to do.

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post #1923 of 3980
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Originally Posted by lenyx View Post

I have a quick question for you all if someone would indulge me.

 

Is there a volume range in Windows 7 where you can listen to 598's and not expect people 2-4' away to hear? There are so many vague descriptions out there on the leakage of these that I'm finally just asking myself. Can you listen at 1-10% without other people hearing, or is it "If you can hear it, at all, they can hear it at least a little".

 

Going nuts trying to decide between these or getting Beyerdynamic 770's. The 770's seem like they'd fit my need of occasional *stealth mode*, but the 598's just seem so much more appealing from everything I'm reading.

it really depends on how noisy is your environment. you could probably listen to them at softer volumes without disturbing people in a rather quiet environment. speaker drivers are quite soft unless you turn up the volume. then at medium volumes the leak starts to get bad. but in noisier environments you could turn it up to about medium volume (no idea how the percentages work sorry) without disturbing any one around you, even the one sitting next to you.

post #1924 of 3980
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Originally Posted by Dillont3 View Post

I have had a pair of HD595's for about a year and a half. Really enjoyed them as I listen to Jazz the most, but have a wide taste in music. Had a pair of Shure 840's and enjoyed them but I ended up I selling them because I almost always used the Senns at home and found myself using my Etsy's on the go and could just my cheap Panny's when I wanted to listen to bass heavy music.

I recently sent my 595's in because the headband crack had got really bad on one side and was bothering me. Sennheiesr just sent me a new pair of 598's in the mail today to replace them. Excited to get a new pair of 598's and listen to an improved version of my 595's that I already enjoyed. However as many people have said they are a significant upgrade, a good number of people who have owned both 595 and 598's have also said the difference was negligible. As much as I have enjoyed my 595's I have also wanting to dabble into ortho's and have been obsessing over owning a pair of HE-400's despite the fact I can't afford them.

So now my dilemma now is should I be happy with a new pair of 598's coming in the mail that aren't costing me anything or sell them as new and use that money as well as the money I got from my shure 840's as well to put towards a pair of HE-400's. Only problem with that is I can see myself not being satisfied pairing my FiiO e10/e11 with the HE-400's and wanting to buy a magni, mogi stack that I can't afford. Kinda worried that the 598s won't be that different from my 595s and wishing I has sold them unopened to fund HE-400s. Also don't know if I will be able to let the 598's sit unopened while I am trying to sell them. Don't know what I am going to do.

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This all depends on what genres you listen to. The HD598 doesn't sound TOO different from the HD595 but is this a bad thing? The HD595 has one of the best soundstage of any headphones, with a very neutral frequency response considering the price. The HD598 has lower distortion, more comfort, better timbre, slightly superior imaging, more bass, etc. It is the best all-arounder I've listened to. 

 

The HE-400 is one of few cans I've never listened to. But I've read a lot of reviews. If you are looking for that bass impact and subbass, then you should save money for the HE-400. And naturally, it is an orthodynamic so it will pick up better details in the bass region than a typical dynamic driver. However, if your concern is soundstage or vocals, the HD598 is still the superior choice. 

 

And please if money is a considerable issue, do not spend so much on amps / dacs. An E10 is plenty for either the HD598 or the HE-400.  The extra money is better spent on other things. 

post #1925 of 3980
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Originally Posted by lenyx View Post

I have a quick question for you all if someone would indulge me.

 

Is there a volume range in Windows 7 where you can listen to 598's and not expect people 2-4' away to hear? There are so many vague descriptions out there on the leakage of these that I'm finally just asking myself. Can you listen at 1-10% without other people hearing, or is it "If you can hear it, at all, they can hear it at least a little".

 

Going nuts trying to decide between these or getting Beyerdynamic 770's. The 770's seem like they'd fit my need of occasional *stealth mode*, but the 598's just seem so much more appealing from everything I'm reading.

If you listen at average volume, enough sound will leak out that another person will be able to makeout what song you are listening to. If you listen at below average volume, then it will be fine. However, since these have no noise isolation, people tend to increase their volume more than average to hear the music better under a noisy environment. 

 

The DT770 is a very different can from the HD598. Very V-shaped sound. Maybe you should look into the Mad Dogs by Mr. Speakers. It is a very good closed can that should serve your needs. 

post #1926 of 3980
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Originally Posted by Enigma29 View Post

Just make sure the MP3's are 320kbps else the headphones might make them sound out with annoying hissing in them.

 

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Originally Posted by HideousPride View Post

Hissing is not based on the bit rate of the file but rather the source said file was ripped from. Illegally downloaded 320kbps files could very well sound like crap if they were derived from a crappy source.

 

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Originally Posted by Lord Voldemort View Post

I agree. Straight from the CD or a reliable source, 192 or 256 kbps is fine. 

 

You also have to factor in the individual's ears (and brain).  The older you get, the worse your hearing gets.  Especially if you spent a fair amount of time in your youth working in loud environments, or attending extremely loud concerts (gee, that wouldn't describe anybody I know...)  wink_face.gif

 

And some people don't have the mental capability to distinguish significant differences between 128, 160, 192, 224, 256, 320 kbps.  Some sources describe 128 kbps as "CD Quality".  So anything above that depends on many things, the human brain/ear combination being a major factor.

 

And let's face it, if you really like the music, and are really getting into it (and maybe have had a drink or two), it probably even sounds good if it's coming from a "Close 'N Play".  (older folks remember those...)

 

All that aside, the 598's arrived, and I've broken them in, and they sound very good (to me).  {I listen to about 70% jazz (all types), 25% rock, and 5% other.}  

 

They sound very good whether the source is an LP, CD, tape, DVD, MP3 players, PC MP3s (no matter what the bit rate is above 128).

 

Certainly worth the money paid.

 

I've been listening to them without a headphone amp (not counting the receiver amp).   I ordered an inexpensive one yesterday (Mav D1 Plus) and am interested in playing with it and hearing the difference.

post #1927 of 3980

$211 sounds like a great price. I am considering a second pair, thanks for the tip.
 

post #1928 of 3980
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Originally Posted by Lord Voldemort View Post

This all depends on what genres you listen to. The HD598 doesn't sound TOO different from the HD595 but is this a bad thing? The HD595 has one of the best soundstage of any headphones, with a very neutral frequency response considering the price. The HD598 has lower distortion, more comfort, better timbre, slightly superior imaging, more bass, etc. It is the best all-arounder I've listened to. 

 

The HE-400 is one of few cans I've never listened to. But I've read a lot of reviews. If you are looking for that bass impact and subbass, then you should save money for the HE-400. And naturally, it is an orthodynamic so it will pick up better details in the bass region than a typical dynamic driver. However, if your concern is soundstage or vocals, the HD598 is still the superior choice. 

 

And please if money is a considerable issue, do not spend so much on amps / dacs. An E10 is plenty for either the HD598 or the HE-400.  The extra money is better spent on other things. 

Thinking more about keeping the 598's when they come in the mail on monday as much as I am tempted to get He-400's. I am not a bass-head and listen to jazz and vocals the most when I reading/relaxing with headphones on. So I don't need the sub bass, but from all the reading I have done on the He-400's it seems that it is in a class above the Hd-598's in general and will improve clarity in mids and highs as well and is more enjoyable can no matter what genre you are listening to.

 

Also have you listened to the 598s with an e10. I know in theory it is plenty powerful for the HD598's but I have noticed in some of the threads people saying that the amp section of the e10 doesn't pair well with the 598's, negatively affecting the sound signature. Specifically reducing the bass and making the mids sound further away and sounding darker overall. Of course a lot of the same posters also recommended buying amps/dac's that cost almost as much or more as the headphones themselves (02+Odac, dragonfly, ibasso d7, etc)  which I think is overkill and wouldn't do. I have also heard the e17 pairs well with the 598's, but i don't really need a portable amp. Does ayone know if the e10 really doesn't sound good with the 598's? Would e17 really be that much better? Having owned the 595's I can believe that the 598's don't need much to improve the sound, but am worried that the coloration of the e10 will not pair well with 598's. 


Edited by Dillont3 - 1/11/13 at 6:40pm
post #1929 of 3980

Yes, you are right. Even using the DAC function of Fiio E10 only or bypass the amp funtion, I believe they still do not pair well together. Try pairing HD598s with better DACs and AMPs and you will not regret. Trust me.

post #1930 of 3980

i tried the govibe vest amp/dac (recommended by the jaben shop) at the shop with my HD558  using the usb in it sounded awesomebasshead.gif (it cost uhh... more than the headphone itself unfortunately... probably at about 250+ usd after conversion and tax compensation) soundstage widened, everything was much more refined and textured. i didn't try it amp alone though


Edited by streetdragon - 1/11/13 at 10:51pm
post #1931 of 3980
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Originally Posted by lenyx View Post

I have a quick question for you all if someone would indulge me.

 

Is there a volume range in Windows 7 where you can listen to 598's and not expect people 2-4' away to hear? There are so many vague descriptions out there on the leakage of these that I'm finally just asking myself. Can you listen at 1-10% without other people hearing, or is it "If you can hear it, at all, they can hear it at least a little".

 

Going nuts trying to decide between these or getting Beyerdynamic 770's. The 770's seem like they'd fit my need of occasional *stealth mode*, but the 598's just seem so much more appealing from everything I'm reading.

 

There's not a universal volume range  for an OS since output volume will depend on the specific sound card you're plugin your headphones to. If you're playing your music loud enough you might not be able to hear what's around you, but others will hear, almost at any volume. They leak that much sound. These are meant to be used at home, and not for porn XD 


Edited by Arkyle - 1/11/13 at 11:00pm
post #1932 of 3980

re sound leakage from these "open" headphones. It was an area I debated apon and yet took the plunge to have something that was better than i had ever had before.

Good decision. Sound leakage proves to be minimal at Normal listening levels and not overdoing it.

Comfort and audio quality have proved that my decision was Right and correct.

In reallity main use is for listening to music from the pc and being able to do so and consider the people in the unit next door at a late hour.

Its a very small fraction percent that actually leaks out. Probably not to use in bed while your partner is trying to sleep but not really a problem if I am using my PC and she is using hers.

 

My penny worth.
 

post #1933 of 3980
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Originally Posted by LoveKnight View Post

Yes, you are right. Even using the DAC function of Fiio E10 only or bypass the amp funtion, I believe they still do not pair well together. Try pairing HD598s with better DACs and AMPs and you will not regret. Trust me.


I just don't know why anyone would spend $200-$300 on an efficient headphone that costs as much as the amp/DAC, if I wanted to spend that much money I would rather spend it on headphone upgrade. Oh well guess I'll live with the e-10 combo until I find a better cheaper amp/DAC or until i have the money and am investing in a pair of headphones that really need a beefy amp.

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Edited by bmeat - 8/19/14 at 9:31am
post #1935 of 3980
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Originally Posted by bmeat View Post

hey guys, im thinking about getting a new set of cans, thats that doesnt have an out of this planet price tag.

 

i currenty own apple in ears

 

senn hd598

 

and vic firth s1h1 isolation cans.

 

which would provide the best sound quality next to the hd598?

 

sony mdrv6 or krk 6400? is the krk8400 that much better? will i be dissapointed going from the hd598 to one of these? i dont really care too much about a sound stage, id rather hear details of cymbals and drums more, with good instrument seperation.

 

any other suggestions? thanks

Gemini HSR-1000 (Takstar Pro 80) closed headphones, sell for around $85.

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