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post #1681 of 4037
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Originally Posted by Negakinu View Post

 

I've got the ODAC/Objective2 combo now, coming from an E10. It's certainly more resolving but people that want bass impact should steer clear. Stick to the E10 if you like a warmer sound. 

 

Really?  From the impressions I've read, the Odac excels in bass depth and impact.  Do you feel the bass is a bit lighter than neutral?

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Originally Posted by Digital-Pride View Post

 

Really?  From the impressions I've read, the Odac excels in bass depth and impact.  Do you feel the bass is a bit lighter than neutral?

 

The ODAC/Objective2 combo is so neutral it doesn't excel in anything. It seems as transparant as a window without glass. If there isn't any bass impact available from either your recording or your headphone the pair won't magically add bass or impact. This is not a combo for people that want their amp and DAC to be hardware EQs. They have no flavour or signature or color or any other audiophile superlative characteristic. Directly compared to my E10 the Fiio sounds, for a lack of better terms, warmer, smaller and less detailed. The difference isn't night and day mind and If you're not out there looking for differences I'm sure most people couldn't even tell them apart.

 

DACs are a peculiar thing. If you read people's impressions here you can get the idea that DACs are as different as headphones or speakers. I do not agree. 


Edited by Negakinu - 9/12/12 at 2:16pm
post #1683 of 4037
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Originally Posted by Negakinu View Post

 

The ODAC/Objective2 combo is so neutral it doesn't excel in anything. It seems as transparant as a window without glass. If there isn't any bass impact available from either your recording or your headphone the pair won't magically add bass or impact. This is not a combo for people that want their amp and DAC to be hardware EQs. They have no flavour or signature or color or any other audiophile superlative characteristic. Directly compared to my E10 the Fiio sounds, for a lack of better terms, warmer, smaller and less detailed. The difference isn't night and day mind and I've you're not out there looking for differences I'm sure most people couldn't even tell them apart.

 

DACs are a peculiar thing. If you read people's impressions here you can get the idea that DACs are as different as headphones or speakers. I do not agree. 

 

Ah, I see.  Thanks for clearing that up.

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Originally Posted by Negakinu View Post

 

The ODAC/Objective2 combo is so neutral it doesn't excel in anything. It seems as transparant as a window without glass. If there isn't any bass impact available from either your recording or your headphone the pair won't magically add bass or impact. This is not a combo for people that want their amp and DAC to be hardware EQs. They have no flavour or signature or color or any other audiophile superlative characteristic. Directly compared to my E10 the Fiio sounds, for a lack of better terms, warmer, smaller and less detailed. The difference isn't night and day mind and I've you're not out there looking for differences I'm sure most people couldn't even tell them apart.

 

DACs are a peculiar thing. If you read people's impressions here you can get the idea that DACs are as different as headphones or speakers. I do not agree. 

I understand the O2/ ODAC Combo objectively measure very well when it comes to noise and other interference. However, I keep hearing things about them being "neutral". I don't really see how the two concepts are related, unless one is biased to believe so (due to an awareness of the designer's philosophy beforehand, mostly). It seems like the O2/ ODAC combo are subject to coloration nearly as much other amps, even if you take into consideration how noise-less they are. Tell me if I'm wrong. 

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Originally Posted by Lord Voldemort View Post

Tell me if I'm wrong. 

I don't hear them in my chain. They disappear. Also, none of the frequencies are boosted. If you run sinewaves or tracks you're really familiar with you can tell when a certain range has an emphasis. Not so with the ODAC/O2 combo. But if you want to take it all so literal you can say that the fact that they're so transparant is a colouration in itself. I've had a fair share of amps and some of them have a sound. I can hear them in my chain. To me the O2 is a wire-with-gain. The ODAC is just a well built DAC and DACs don't have a signature anyway. Proper ones that is. 

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Originally Posted by Negakinu View Post

I don't hear them in my chain. They disappear. Also, none of the frequencies are boosted. If you run sinewaves or tracks you're really familiar with you can tell when a certain range has an emphasis. Not so with the ODAC/O2 combo. But if you want to take it all so literal you can say that the fact that they're so transparant is a colouration in itself. I've had a fair share of amps and some of them have a sound. I can hear them in my chain. To me the O2 is a wire-with-gain. The ODAC is just a well built DAC and DACs don't have a signature anyway. Proper ones that is. 

Fair enough. But I assume you have some reference point to measure neutrality? Say a neutral pair of speakers? I wanted to order the ODA/ ODAC combo but I got impatient and just bought the E17. Sold off my HRT Streamer II because I could not tell the difference between the DACs under a double blind test. I can always buy the ODA later if I needed some more juice for 600 ohm cans. Doubt it though. 

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Originally Posted by Lord Voldemort View Post

The HD598 really needs an amp to tighten up the bass, and improve PRaT. It sounds fine without it, but the amp helps compensate for the "flaws" - if you can even call it that. 

 

I just ordered the FiiO E17. Anyone ever use it with the HD598? 

I use an E11/E17 combo and I love it.  They are great with just the E11 or E17, but If I had to choose, I would take the E17.  Though I am pretty new to the whole head-fi thing, I am getting better, I just don't know how to describe it right now.

 

That, and my E17 stopped working suddenly, so I had to take it back and wait for a fix/replacement :(  I must say, I really have missed it for the past week.  

 

Edit:  I definitely feel that it opens the soundstage up a little more when using the E17, and the bass also cleans up a little bit.  It is also great because I use it with my iPad a lot and it allows me to EQ very quickly without having to find a separate app.


Edited by DarSevn - 9/18/12 at 6:52am
post #1688 of 4037

Hello, 

 

I am in the market for a new pair of cans, my previous Sennheiser HD555s recently died after 5 years. I loved the sound signature on those; very laid back, somewhat dark, and warm, and am looking for something similar. I'm considering the HD 598s, and 558s, leaning towards the 598s right now. I've read the reviews on headfi, and it seems that the 598s are more forward, and not as laid back as the typical Sennheiser. I listen to a lot of downtempo, trip-hop, electronic and ambient, with some rock and acoustic stuff. Would the 598s suit me well? 

 

Thanks in advance! 

post #1689 of 4037

I own a pair of HD598 and I don't find them to be dark or laid back, they're warm, yes but just a touch. For your genres I would consider the HD600.


Edited by kAbUZi - 9/20/12 at 11:22am
post #1690 of 4037
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Originally Posted by jmiller15 View Post

Hello, 

 

I am in the market for a new pair of cans, my previous Sennheiser HD555s recently died after 5 years. I loved the sound signature on those; very laid back, somewhat dark, and warm, and am looking for something similar. I'm considering the HD 598s, and 558s, leaning towards the 598s right now. I've read the reviews on headfi, and it seems that the 598s are more forward, and not as laid back as the typical Sennheiser. I listen to a lot of downtempo, trip-hop, electronic and ambient, with some rock and acoustic stuff. Would the 598s suit me well? 

 

Thanks in advance! 


If you like the HD 555, just buy a new pair. DAKMart has them for $60.

post #1691 of 4037

HD558 has a better value, but if you have spare cash the HD598 will give lots more soundstage and clarity, but possibly less bass impact but im not sure, haven't heard the HD555 before

post #1692 of 4037
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Originally Posted by jmiller15 View Post

Hello, 

 

I am in the market for a new pair of cans, my previous Sennheiser HD555s recently died after 5 years. I loved the sound signature on those; very laid back, somewhat dark, and warm, and am looking for something similar. I'm considering the HD 598s, and 558s, leaning towards the 598s right now. I've read the reviews on headfi, and it seems that the 598s are more forward, and not as laid back as the typical Sennheiser. I listen to a lot of downtempo, trip-hop, electronic and ambient, with some rock and acoustic stuff. Would the 598s suit me well? 

 

Thanks in advance! 

The HD598s are definitely brighter than the HD555 because it has more treble presence. I would consider them more neutral actually, because they have greater bass/ treble presence that the HD555/595 desperately needed. They are definitely more forward sounding, not just in terms of mdirange, but in terms of the whole sound spectrum. By far the most enjoyable Sennheiser headphone I've listened to. 

 

I've heard the HD558 and they weren't as engaging. They somewhat lacked the sense of clarity and their bass was slightly unclear. However, they are very good for the price. Probably a better value than the HD598. 

 

The HD598 definitely improves upon the HD600/ 650 in more ways than not. And for me, Sennheiser is the only company that doesn't succumb to problems that most hi-fi cans have: treble emphasis and recessed midrange. They're usually good all-rounders for that reason, though they won't make you go "wow!" in genres that demand an emphasis in one part of the sound spectrum (electronic dance music in terms of bass and speed for instance). Even with the genres you listed, these are a better investment and simply don't do anything wrong. Highly recommend them. 

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post #1694 of 4037

Oh. It is very impressive. By changing the original cable to MoonAudio Black Dragon V2, it can improve the sound-stage, mid-range, low-end, remove the veil in Sennheiser headphones. Really a good upgrade to my audio path.

 

However I have a question. Which headphone connection type that I choose for HD598? Is that the Sennheiser HD570 & HD590? http://www.moon-audio.com/audio-cables/moon-audio-headphone-cables/moon-audio-black-dragon-v2-headphone-cable.html#


Edited by LoveKnight - 9/21/12 at 2:50am
post #1695 of 4037

Hi guys,

 

I am really considering buying a full size set of cans to replace my IEMs because of comfort issues... so as you can guess one of my greatest priorities is comfort. That's why im in this thread. Anyway the IEM in question here is the Sennheiser IE80. I've used them for nearly a year now and the sound is really magnificent. Very strong bass presence, forward smooth mids and great highs. It even has a pretty big soundstage for IEMs.

 

But like i said, they have a comfort issue for me. After wearing them for even 10 minutes i start feeling pressure in my ears. Another problem is that it seems the shape of the inside of my left ear differs from my other, so one driver sits fine but the other never feels right. Needless to say i think IEMs aren't for me.

 

Anybody here have experience with both the IE80 and HD 598? Maybe someone can give impressions of sound differences the like. I like all kinds of music but recently i've been into rock music, are the 598s good with rock?

 

I might sell mine and replace them with the 598 depending on what you guys say. I hope it won't be considered a downgrade too, since the IE80 is really high end.

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