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Well that's confortable...

However i listen 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's music for the most, like The Beatles, Pink Floyd, Guns 'n Roses, Aerosmith, Stone Temple Pilots, Metallica, ecc...

Are those cans good for that kind of music? What should i buy?

:)


It sounds very good, but I've read from EVERYONE here that Grados are the "merde" for rock. I now need to try some. The thing is that the acoustic stuff sounds so good (including Nirvana unplugged) that it may be an issue related to the quality of the music I have in my computer.... I wonder how the S&M concert of Metallica will sound....have to try that tonight!

 

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It sounds very good, but I've read from EVERYONE here that Grados are the "merde" for rock. I now need to try some. The thing is that the acoustic stuff sounds so good (including Nirvana unplugged) that it may be an issue related to the quality of the music I have in my computer.... I wonder how the S&M concert of Metallica will sound....have to try that tonight!

 

From what I'm hearing so far, I think the HD 598 sound better for rock than Grados. Grados push everything in your face and mushes it together. Guitars cover vocals and cymbals become a piercing mess.
 

The HD598 has a very nice non fatiguing soundstage but very energetic sound. Bass drum is very punchy and there is a sense of sub bass rumble. It's still early impressions for me but I'm enjoying Red Jumpsuit Apparutus on them right now more so than other more expensive headphones like ATH AD2000. The big soundstage and energetic sound is really making me like them a lot right now for a lot of genres.

post #93 of 3590

I have to agree that the soundstage is unbelievable. Its a shame that I don't have any friends that own Grados. I'll have to buy them to try them, and sell them if I don't like them.

post #94 of 3590

I don't know if anyone has said this already, but there's a bit of an annoying treble peak around 15K-20K. EQing this area down made it sound much more pleasant and natural.

 

 

EDIT UPDATE: This is weird. I've never had to reduce the response of a headphone with my EQ in the 20K frequency range, but there is a very noticeable bump in exactly that area that is uncomfortable unEQed.


Edited by wind016 - 5/2/11 at 4:13pm
post #95 of 3590
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I don't know if anyone has said this already, but there's a bit of an annoying treble peak around 15K-20K. EQing this area down made it sound much more pleasant and natural.

 

EDIT UPDATE: This is weird. I've never had to reduce the response of a headphone with my EQ in the 20K frequency range, but there is a very noticeable bump in exactly that area that is uncomfortable unEQed.

 

Hmm, really? I never noticed it. If I did, my ears would pick up on it in a heartbeat. I believe the majority of headphones I've owned were either "bright" or "too bright" for me, because I'm just sensitive to treble. The HD598's manage to keep up the energy and enthusiasm in the sound, and smooth it off so there isn't any rough edges. Meaning, I find the treble there, but it got the Sennheiser "smoothing" makeover, resulting in awesome treble, that doesn't fatigue. In fact, treble enthusiasts may still classify it as "boring", and sometimes I'm tempting to think that after listening with the HE-4. But they may be due to the overall slightly laid back and smooth sound. Wait, these are laid back? I'm not even so sure anymore, the HE-4 is doing things to me!

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Hmm, really? I never noticed it. If I did, my ears would pick up on it in a heartbeat. I believe the majority of headphones I've owned were either "bright" or "too bright" for me, because I'm just sensitive to treble. The HD598's manage to keep up the energy and enthusiasm in the sound, and smooth it off so there isn't any rough edges. Meaning, I find the treble there, but it got the Sennheiser "smoothing" makeover, resulting in awesome treble, that doesn't fatigue. In fact, treble enthusiasts may still classify it as "boring", and sometimes I'm tempting to think that after listening with the HE-4. But they may be due to the overall slightly laid back and smooth sound. Wait, these are laid back? I'm not even so sure anymore, the HE-4 is doing things to me!

 

How you liking the HE 4? Sound similar to the HD598 or ATHs?


I definitely notice the peak, but rolling it down makes it sound much more pleasant. Imaging also seems to improve by doing so too. Right now with only about an hour, the HD598 sounds a bit grainy. Hopefully, burn-in helps it remove the grain. But right now, WOW. The soundstage is really amazing. No doubt they are not fatiguing. In fact, I think these headphones are more enjoyable to listen to than the Audeze LCD2 I heard at the meet and the ATH AD2000s that I had before, mostly because their soundstage is just so much more closed up. I'm really surprised to be hearing a headphone that has such a huge soundstage that also doesn't sound bright and isn't fatiguing.

 

It's a bit early but WOW very nicely done Sennheiser.

 

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I'm *really* liking the HE-4. Unfortunately, my HD598 isn't getting head time anymore.

 

I would classify the HD598 technically inferior to the DT880, K701, D2000, and those in that price range; even though the HD598 is the same price. That is partially the reason I think there is "grain" in the sound (I swear people mentioned grain in the HD555/HD595 as well), is because while it's not technically "up there", it has a super addicting and pleasant sound. I think that's why most think it's not worth the price, is due to all the competition that is considered superior sounding. But, that's not really that matters. It's the presentation of the sound that really hooks users, and the HD598 did just that for me. And by the looks of it, it seems you are enjoying it quite a bit. And very surprising you like them more than the LCD2 and the AD2000. That's the same reason I ditched the Pro 900, is because the soundstage alone on the AD700 made me like it more. The HD598 not only adds the much needed bass the AD series was missing, but it sustained amazing soundstage and even increased on stuff like comfort. Overall, It's my favorite dynamic driver headphone. Easily. And Sennheiser somehow managed to have amazing comfort, huge soundstage, balanced sound, great energy, and zero fatigue. I'm impressed.

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I'm *really* liking the HE-4. Unfortunately, my HD598 isn't getting head time anymore.

 

I would classify the HD598 technically inferior to the DT880, K701, D2000, and those in that price range; even though the HD598 is the same price. That is partially the reason I think there is "grain" in the sound (I swear people mentioned grain in the HD555/HD595 as well), is because while it's not technically "up there", it has a super addicting and pleasant sound. I think that's why most think it's not worth the price, is due to all the competition that is considered superior sounding. But, that's not really that matters. It's the presentation of the sound that really hooks users, and the HD598 did just that for me. And by the looks of it, it seems you are enjoying it quite a bit. And very surprising you like them more than the LCD2 and the AD2000. That's the same reason I ditched the Pro 900, is because the soundstage alone on the AD700 made me like it more. The HD598 not only adds the much needed bass the AD series was missing, but it sustained amazing soundstage and even increased on stuff like comfort. Overall, It's my favorite dynamic driver headphone. Easily. And Sennheiser somehow managed to have amazing comfort, huge soundstage, balanced sound, great energy, and zero fatigue. I'm impressed.



I see. If the graininess doesn't go away, then they are definitely more grainy than the K701s and DT880. If Sennheiser were to make a clean sounding HD598, they may hit a gold mine. As of now, the grain has become a bit more apparent to me but as a fill-in open headphone until I get my amp for my Stax O2, they are excellent. 

 

I find the sound to be similar to the ATH W11R, but more spacious, weaker in the bass, sound less full and more grainy. Kind of like an open W11R. They actually sound surprisingly similar.

post #99 of 3590
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Originally Posted by wind016 View Post

 

If Sennheiser were to make a clean sounding HD598, they may hit a gold mine.

 

That is exactly what I thought.

 

I would always think, "If only they had upgraded model from this up in the HD650 realm of technical capabilities. That would be the perfect headphone." By no means is it bad now, but they have gotten so many things right, I wish they could make an even more refined one. Unfortunately, they want you to step into HD600 / HD650 territory now, but I like the HD558 / HD598 series better thank you. I guess this is where the HD700 comes in...

 

I really don't have to worry about it any more though. I'm an orthohead, and I will never change. biggrin.gif

post #100 of 3590
I don't think the HD598 sounds grainy, but I haven't heard a HD800 or LCD2 yet so perhaps I'm just ignorant, or maybe the super clear opa627's I currently have in my amp make good synergy who knows. I do find the highs a tad harsh. Curious how the HD598 will sound with opa1641, just waiting for the browndog adapters to arrive.
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That is exactly what I thought.

 

I would always think, "If only they had upgraded model from this up in the HD650 realm of technical capabilities. That would be the perfect headphone." By no means is it bad now, but they have gotten so many things right, I wish they could make an even more refined one. Unfortunately, they want you to step into HD600 / HD650 territory now, but I like the HD558 / HD598 series better thank you. I guess this is where the HD700 comes in...

 

I really don't have to worry about it any more though. I'm an orthohead, and I will never change. biggrin.gif

I don't believe you normal_smile%20.gif If you're anything like me, you will find a better headphone within 6 months. You can prove me wrong if you want biggrin.gif

 

I personally don't have any problems with the grain on the HD-598. I'd have to be really trying hard to have it bother me and it's much easier to spot when you compare it to the new HD-600. I actually think perhaps the older HD-600 is grainier than the HD-598! My old (non silver screened version) HD-600 was very muffled sounding. The silver screened HD-600 I had for a month was a huge improvement. The newer HD-600 is less grainy than the HD-598, but very slightly. Even the HD-650 is less grainy than the HD-600. I compared them both and it takes a bit of effort and the right music to tell.

 

I'm totally with you on another headphone like the HD-598. I'd love to see the soundstage, forward sounding mids and imaging of the HD-598, but more detail and sound clarity. Similar to the HD-650, bu even better. HD-650 is no detail monster to me, not even close, but has more than enough detail for me. Actually an improvement of even the HD-650. I think Sennheiser could actually release a headphone with more detail and a more clear sound than the HD-650 that's NOT as expensive as the HD-800. The treble on the HD-598 is just about perfect for me. Of course I'm OK with the entire sound signature of the HD-598, but it can still be improved. I'd happily pay a lot more for more sound clarity and less plastic. The same overall design would be fine. I actually prefer the HD-598's comfort over the HD-600/650. Of course a user replaceable cable would be a must. No way I'm paying $300+ for a headphone that doesn't have a replaceable cable.

 

I think I prefer a headphone that's a combination of a more aggressive headphone and one that's laid back a bit. K601 and HD-598 is KIND OF close to that. I love a fairly balanced sounding headphone, but with slightly forward mids. Not too forward. K601 and HD-598 is just about right.

 

It's just weird how when I put on an HD-600 or HD-650 there is just so many things I miss about the HD-598. The soundstage of the HD-650 is just not as large as the HD-598. To me, HD-650 is also not as good for gaming, but who buys an HD-650 for gaming anyway? HD-598 I also prefer to the HD-650 for movies too. Lately though the HD-650 has gotten a bit better for movies once I made a new cable, but I still prefer the HD-598 or K702 for movies.

 

Hopefully we'll see a new headphone from Sennheiser this year!

 

BTW are the HE-4's mids are little more laid back than those of the HD-598? The Hifiman headphones look so nice, but the frequency graphs scare me and I'm always worried they'll be too dark or the mids won't be too my liking. Based on my experience, graphs don't mean much for me. Even the mids of the HD-598 sound more forward than the graphs make them out to be. The Hifiman headphones have been interested me lately. I wonder if the HE-4's sound is more clear than the HD-650? HD-650 is fairly clear, but it's sound clarity seems like it could be improved a little. That's one advantage my K702 has over the HD-650, but it's not as engaging or fun to listen to as the HD-650 for some music.

 


 

 


Edited by tdockweiler - 5/3/11 at 2:39pm
post #102 of 3590

Nah, I think I'm pretty sure. I'm simply addicted to the ortho sound, and I don't think there would be anything else I would want instead. Obviously, upgrades may come, but that is simply up the HiFiMAN line up. The value is so high with these headphones, that I would have to be paying much, much more to be getting something I may not even like as much. I've backed myself into a corner with dynamics; making me go the T1 / HD800 / D7000 route. Or I could just stay with orthos, which I love, and get bang for the buck that surpasses dynamic headphones. I've read the reviews in which people like the HE-5LE better than the HD800, and have also seen glimpses of the HE-4 "better" than the HD800. But it all comes down to preference.

 

I'm not going to say the grain is really apparent in the HD598, it's just it *can* be there. But still to this day, nothing really bothers me about the sound, because it's just good at everything. It's design is fabulous as well, and I would agree an upgraded one with better materials (and driver design) would be awesome. Soundstage is a huge plus over the HD600 / HD650, as well as the comfort. So really, the only thing I could want is better build and an enhanced driver. That is a dynamic I would pay a lot for... (Senn needs one anyway. $400 HD650 - $1500 HD800 is simply too big of a gap. They need the HD700 and HD750 in there...)

 

People have mentioned the mids on the HE-4 are laid back, but they really aren't is bad as people say they are. In fact, they are more upfront than the HD598. Besides that, they simply have more life and feeling to them. Vocals sound simply amazing on them. Compared to the HD598, they both sound surprisingly similar. The HE-4 is fare more engaging and hypnotic. The treble energy is higher and clearer, the mids are a bit more upfront and sound more realistic, and bass extension is definitely deeper. I almost think of them as the upgraded HD598. Their sound is not as smooth though, and it's signature could take some time to get used to, especially the treble. But overall, they are on the bright side of things; definitely not as dark as the HD598. And clarity? Holy crap! These are the most detailed and clear headphones I've ever heard! And they've got a realism to them that I just have never gotten with dynamic headphones. Thus, why I say I'm an orthohead. I just don't want to go back to dynamic, nor do I want to pay for a top tier one when I could get a "better" one of these for cheaper. But yes, the HE-4 definitely has more clarity that the HD650, and is BY FAR more engaging.

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Nah, I think I'm pretty sure. I'm simply addicted to the ortho sound, and I don't think there would be anything else I would want instead. Obviously, upgrades may come, but that is simply up the HiFiMAN line up. The value is so high with these headphones, that I would have to be paying much, much more to be getting something I may not even like as much. I've backed myself into a corner with dynamics; making me go the T1 / HD800 / D7000 route. Or I could just stay with orthos, which I love, and get bang for the buck that surpasses dynamic headphones. I've read the reviews in which people like the HE-5LE better than the HD800, and have also seen glimpses of the HE-4 "better" than the HD800. But it all comes down to preference.

 

I'm not going to say the grain is really apparent in the HD598, it's just it *can* be there. But still to this day, nothing really bothers me about the sound, because it's just good at everything. It's design is fabulous as well, and I would agree an upgraded one with better materials (and driver design) would be awesome. Soundstage is a huge plus over the HD600 / HD650, as well as the comfort. So really, the only thing I could want is better build and an enhanced driver. That is a dynamic I would pay a lot for... (Senn needs one anyway. $400 HD650 - $1500 HD800 is simply too big of a gap. They need the HD700 and HD750 in there...)

 

People have mentioned the mids on the HE-4 are laid back, but they really aren't is bad as people say they are. In fact, they are more upfront than the HD598. Besides that, they simply have more life and feeling to them. Vocals sound simply amazing on them. Compared to the HD598, they both sound surprisingly similar. The HE-4 is fare more engaging and hypnotic. The treble energy is higher and clearer, the mids are a bit more upfront and sound more realistic, and bass extension is definitely deeper. I almost think of them as the upgraded HD598. Their sound is not as smooth though, and it's signature could take some time to get used to, especially the treble. But overall, they are on the bright side of things; definitely not as dark as the HD598. And clarity? Holy crap! These are the most detailed and clear headphones I've ever heard! And they've got a realism to them that I just have never gotten with dynamic headphones. Thus, why I say I'm an orthohead. I just don't want to go back to dynamic, nor do I want to pay for a top tier one when I could get a "better" one of these for cheaper. But yes, the HE-4 definitely has more clarity that the HD650, and is BY FAR more engaging.


 


At the prices of some orthodynamic systems, they get into good Stax systems. Personally, I prefer electrostatic since they sound much more effortless

 

THIS JUST IN: the HD598 sounds more spacious and airy than my car's speaker system!  I suspect whatever Sennheiser learned from building the HD800, they incorporated into the HD598. They sound REALLY spacious. I think it's time for Sennheiser to dump the HD6XX series and upgrade the HD598 to their technical level.

 

Also, the grain really isn't bothering me, but I have the 20K frequencies rolled down with EQ. Maybe that's what was causing most of the grain? I got it for $180 and it's really excellent for the price. There are grainier headphones for twice the price and they sound better than less grainy Beyer DT880, AKG K701 at around the same price. I'm really diggin 'em. Probably enough to write a review.


Edited by wind016 - 5/3/11 at 5:45pm
post #104 of 3590
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At the prices of some orthodynamic systems, they get into good Stax systems. Personally, I prefer electrostatic since they sound much more effortless

 

THIS JUST IN: the HD598 sounds more spacious and airy than my car's speaker system!  I suspect whatever Sennheiser learned from building the HD800, they incorporated into the HD598. They sound REALLY spacious. I think it's time for Sennheiser to dump the HD6XX series and upgrade the HD598 to their technical level.

 

Also, the grain really isn't bothering me, but I have the 20K frequencies rolled down with EQ. Maybe that's what was causing most of the grain? I got it for $180 and it's really excellent for the price. There are grainier headphones for twice the price and they sound better than less grainy Beyer DT880, AKG K701 at around the same price. I'm really diggin 'em. Probably enough to write a review.


Yeah, there has been some magic with the making of the HD598. The sad thing is, most don't know about it or just glance over it because it's, "just an upgrade from the HD595". Well no, it's not. It's an upgrade from the HD650.

 

Hmm, not sure about the grain. It may be the drivers technical capabilities. And yes, $180 is an amazing price for these. I paid the full $250 and still find it good. Yet, it's dangerous territory competing with Beyer and AKG.

 

Eventually, I'll write my review as well. I usually only write comparisons, but in the case of a headphone I feel needs to be reviewed, then I do it. My first standalone review was the Pro 900 because of it's bass. Next, it's these.

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Yeah, there has been some magic with the making of the HD598. The sad thing is, most don't know about it or just glance over it because it's, "just an upgrade from the HD595". Well no, it's not. It's an upgrade from the HD650.

 

Hmm, not sure about the grain. It may be the drivers technical capabilities. And yes, $180 is an amazing price for these. I paid the full $250 and still find it good. Yet, it's dangerous territory competing with Beyer and AKG.

 

Eventually, I'll write my review as well. I usually only write comparisons, but in the case of a headphone I feel needs to be reviewed, then I do it. My first standalone review was the Pro 900 because of it's bass. Next, it's these.

 

I don't agree with this and that's a bit overkill, but just my opinion. I just had to comment. I do love the HD-598 though! I think overall the HD-650 is the better headphone, but the HD-598 is generally more fun to listen and a better match for my music. Of course this all depends on the amp and the cable. I really disliked the HD-650 out of the Asgard and on the E9 it's rather dull and lifeless, but not as much as the HD-600 (with stock cable). I think you really would have to compare the 598 and HD-650 side by side.

 

If you mean an upgrade in some areas, then I can understand. To me the HD-598 has better imaging, comfort, a larger soundstage, a more neutral sound and more engaging mids. The HD-598 is easier to drive and like though. The difference between sound clarity and the level of detail between the HD-650 and 598 is like night and day to me.

 

I think it all comes down to preference. The HD-650 for me seemed to be very very picky about amps. I didn't love mine until I got my Micro Amp. Same with my K702 until I bought the E9. I do think the 598 is better for more people and is much easier to like. The HD-650 is still not perfect. I wish it just had a clearer sound that was as clear as the K702. Still not too bad. BTW I had the silver screened version and I tried the old version years ago and hated it.

 

I attempted to go with the HD-600 instead over the 650, but that thing put me to sleep, but I did love how more neutral it sounded compared to the HD-650. I'm not a huge fan of the bass on the HD-650. HD-600 was also far better for movies and games than the 650.

 

I can't wait to see a K601 vs HD-598 review. I could do one but I hate over-analyzing my headphones these days. It stops me from enjoying them and it gets old fast.

 

BTW I would say the HD-598 is an upgrade to the OLD (non-silver screened) HD-600. Someone will hate me for saying this, but it's true. I do think the HD-600 (silver screen) is slightly more clear and less grainy, but it sucks the life out of music compared to the HD-598. The HD-598 also feels brighter than the HD-600 until you upgrade it to the HD-650 cable.
 

 

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