If you want music to sound alive and have great versatility at the same time, I'd consider the AD2000 if I were you. I've heard all headphones in question, and they are all very nice headphones. I would choose the RS1i, but the AD2000s have amazing speed, detail and clarity, and is amazing with every genre you throw at it. Great sound stage, detailed and controlled bass (maybe would like a TINY bit more quantity). Just another idea to throw into your head :)
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Poll Results: Grado RS1i or Sennheiser HD 650
61 Total Votespost #16 of 302/23/11 at 1:06am
67% (41)Grado RS1i
32% (20)Sennheiser HD 650
Gear mentioned in this thread:post #17 of 302/23/11 at 2:33am
Being a Grado fan, I really love my RS1i for its detail and it has just the right amount of aggressiveness with the HF (less than the 325 while maintaining the Grado signature highs). But truthfully, running the HD650 through my Minimax is something that I REALLY enjoy as well. I don't hear any veil with my setup and find them to be incredibly smooth. I think because the HD650 doesn't have the aggressive peaky highs as many other popular cans do, people use the word "veil" to describe its sound, which I think wrongfully gives people a less positive feeling about them. I think the correct way to describe them is that they are not bright phones, and to call them "veiled" is just not really accurate.post #18 of 302/23/11 at 3:03pmQuote:Originally Posted by Bilavideo
I voted for the RS1 but the HD650 doesn't get enough credit. Its design is simple and elegant. It has more comfort and stability. It has more soundstage and, for those who want less of an in-your-face experience, it provides a smoother ride. On the other hand, the stock cable is pretty ugly, looking like something that ought to plug into a video game console. One person's "refined presentation" is another's boredom, just as one person's sizzling treble is another person's ear fatigue. It's unfair to compare one can amped to the other unamped, but the RS1 can be enjoyed unamped while the HD650 just isn't itself without a decent amp. RS1 users rarely worry about upgrading their cable while the 650 seems to have inspired an entire cottage industry of aftermarket cables, each designed to "lift the veil" better than the others. I've always wondered if some of this cableitis wasn't a roundabout attempt to overcome issues of impedance. Just as the GS1000 doesn't sound its best without a warm amp, the 650 doesn't sound "clear" without its own kick in the amp.
Revolutionary driver or not, I think there are HD650 lovers who would argue that a souped-up 650 presents a relatively low-cost means of narrowing the gap between the HD650/600 and the famed HD800. No doubt, this will inspire a flamefest from HD800 lovers who choke at the thought that the 650 could ever hold a candle to the $1,400 HD800. Someday, when time and finances permit, it would be interesting to modify an HD650, to show how far it could go in bridging some of that gap. Given the extreme differences in price tags, it may be worth a little effort.post #19 of 302/23/11 at 6:00pmpost #20 of 302/24/11 at 12:13am
Revolutionary driver or not, I think there are HD650 lovers who would argue that a souped-up 650 presents a relatively low-cost means of narrowing the gap between the HD650/600 and the famed HD800. No doubt, this will inspire a flamefest from HD800 lovers who choke at the thought that the 650 could ever hold a candle to the $1,400 HD800. Someday, when time and finances permit, it would be interesting to modify an HD650, to show how far it could go in bridging some of that gap. Given the extreme differences in price tags, it may be worth a little effort.
I too would love to see what you could do with the 650's. Has no-one got an old pair that they dont use anymore? ha ha.
I would send you mine but I love them too much after my little bit modding.post #21 of 302/24/11 at 4:59amQuote:
Well, you could always bore out the cylinders and fit an extractor. Wet weather earpads would help too on the corners.post #22 of 302/25/11 at 12:23amThread Starter
Quote:Originally Posted by pp312
That's an absolutely terrible idea. Why do you say it's not about you when you'll be paying and you'll be listening long after we've all forgotten about this thread? What anyone else likes is irrelvant, and what suits you can't be decided by a popularity vote. If you can't get to hear these headphones at least decide by reviews (Amazon is a good place for that, if you want a wide spread of comments) and general postings here, especially those about the general character of the phones, taking into account the equipment and musical tastes of the poster. Not scientific, but a lot more scientific than counting votes here.
Maybe you right, But i have already looked at tons of reviews and still cant decide. So i thought why not leave it up to the votes.
That and i do want to see what everyone favorite is. So why not kill to birds with one stone.
But if you think that's not a good idea then i have no idea.
So in your opinion what one would be the best for my taste in music, I will port some of my favorite songs here so you can listen to them.
Alright here are a few of the ones i listen to everyday. Maybe you can listen to them and see what ones would be best.
post #23 of 302/25/11 at 2:07am
Thanks for posting all those links but I'm an old fart who only listens to classical. (I did listen to the first song and it seemed quite nice even to these old ears). However, I can't advise which HP would suit you--that's my point. I would only be advising what suits me, and that would be the 650, but with you listening to a different genre of music and having different musical expectations there's no guarantee you wouldn't hate the 650s. The idea of reading comments and reviews is not to take someone's word as to which is the best, because that's just their opinion based on their music and equipment. The idea is to get an overall view of the character of the phones and thus an idea of what MIGHT suit you, and I say might because only extensive auditioning would settle the matter for good.
Do you generally like a bright sound?
Are you a bass head?
Do you like the sound really clear and sharp or would you rather a slightly mellower sound that would allow you to listen longer without ear fatigue.
One factor you might consider is that the 650s are very popular, which means if you buy them from the right source (probably Ebay) you can re-sell with little loss if they don't suit. The RS 1 is a more specialised product and might be harder to get rid of. The 650 is also very comfortable after a wear-in period. Also, the 650 is a reference for so many people that getting acquainted with them will allow you to sample where high-end sound is at, as it were, and where you might want to go from there, if anywhere--if you want something brighter maybe. At the very least it's a great reference point.
Sorry I can't give you a yes/no, this one/that one answer but it doesn't work like that.post #24 of 302/25/11 at 4:13ampost #25 of 302/25/11 at 4:33am
Yeah this is a really terrible way of proceeding. What kind of music do you listen to? What headphones do you have and what have you liked about them?
Honestly, I can't really recommend you go either route here. Maybe some cheaper phones that let you figure out the kind of sound you're looking before you drop serious cash? Try some SR60s or SR80s first? They don't sound as good as the RS-1, but they've got that unique Grado sound signature. You could luck out, but I guarantee if you choose one you'll constantly wonder what the other sounds like and if you made the wrong choice.post #26 of 302/25/11 at 4:35am
I'm actually going to go out to the only local audio place around me soon and check out both of these headphones as well as the 325i's, 225i's, HD600's and the HD800. I'm pretty excited.post #27 of 302/25/11 at 5:30am
Or... you could get the ATH AD2000's and have the best of both the RS-1's and HD650's... which, also, sound a whole lot like the Stax 507's (95%+). I think, if I could have just one set of phones for <$1,000... it would likely be the AD2000's.
The AD2000's and the RS-1's (Grados, in general) are the easiest to drive (more efficient).
Though... the SR225's... will give you 95% of the RS-1's sound, for a lot less money - "the bargain of the bunch." And... you can use them for portable phones, as well - which, you really can't do with the others.
There are several RS-1's and SR-225's for sale on the FS Forum - you may just want to "start your journey" there - I did. Will save you money, and you won't take a loss when you "trade up."post #28 of 302/25/11 at 5:43am
RS1i is too colored. Yes it will make music sound alive, but it will also make it sound unrealistic. With the right amp, the HD650s can sound very engaging, it just isn't an in-your-face sound. Another reason I would go against the Grados is that at that price point I would expect headphones that make music sound as true to the source as possible.post #29 of 302/25/11 at 7:46amQuote:
^ Totally agree with buying used. Grados and Senns pop up all the time on the classifieds. Buy one, if you don't like it, sell it for little or no loss and buy the other.post #30 of 302/25/11 at 8:36am
My feeling is many people want other opinions about sounds without attempting to try themselves.Granted,some people lack access to these phones but others.....
Regarding other folks' tastes:How often would you trust strangers' tastes or opinions in the other areas of your life?Do you really think that because someone(you don't know) posts on this website they will agree with you in real life?
I am willing to bet that many people who post here (often even) have very little experience with sound at all besides their personal "headfi" life.This is great but they are not experts.Read only a short time and you too will discover that even the "experts" here often don't agree.Sometimes these same "experts" will change their mind or contradict themselves as well.
And .....If you search for 5 minutes on this site you will find that it's probably impossible to say anything new about the HD600 in comparison to the RS1.
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