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Noobie here. Ordered some Grado SR60i's..what am I getting into?

post #1 of 81
Thread Starter 
Let me just start out and say that I am a complete noob when it comes to headphones and music..gotta start sometime though, eh?

Anyway, I wasn't completely satisfied with desktop listening with my current setup..which is just an average gaming computer with no sound card and some cheap logitech gaming headset for some left 4 dead and skype calls. Works fine for those purposes but for music I just find it lacking..especially compared to my JVC 'Flats' that I burned in for portable use.

I would try to use those headphones on my desk but the cables are too short. Since I have some college refund money left over I decided to just jump the gun and go for something serious. I wanted to get into audiophile-ness for a while ever since my big brother started years ago (he's a fellow head-fi member but joined the navy) but never really had the cash or knowledge. Now I have some cash left and decided to order the Grado SR60i's and they're on their way right now.

Trouble is...I have absolutely no idea what I'm getting myself into! I told my brother on the phone I was getting some Grados and he practically flipped, saying that I made an awesome buy..guess Grado has a good reputation.

Anyway, is there anything I should know about before getting into this whole audiophile business sides to save up cash, get some high quality music, and avoid bose? (well my bro tells me to avoid them..). Would I need some sort of dac or something for these cans? How bad is the leakage that I heard so much about? Would I magically become zen with the environment as I transform into an audiophile? Would I get an A on my next college essay?!!

This is for mostly desk use so leakage shouldn't be that big of a problem though I'm interested if my sansa clip+ could drive these. I'm also still building up my music collection, too. My brother did gave me some flac encoded trance albums and I myself have a couple of rock..but it's still only a little bit. I mostly like rock and trance..especially vocal trance!

Cheers and go easy on me!
post #2 of 81
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Originally Posted by blufox4900 View Post

Let me just start out and say that I am a complete noob when it comes to headphones and music..gotta start sometime though, eh?

Anyway, I wasn't completely satisfied with desktop listening with my current setup..which is just an average gaming computer with no sound card and some cheap logitech gaming headset for some left 4 dead and skype calls. Works fine for those purposes but for music I just find it lacking..especially compared to my JVC 'Flats' that I burned in for portable use.

I would try to use those headphones on my desk but the cables are too short. Since I have some college refund money left over I decided to just jump the gun and go for something serious. I wanted to get into audiophile-ness for a while ever since my big brother started years ago (he's a fellow head-fi member but joined the navy) but never really had the cash or knowledge. Now I have some cash left and decided to order the Grado SR60i's and they're on their way right now.

Trouble is...I have absolutely no idea what I'm getting myself into! I told my brother on the phone I was getting some Grados and he practically flipped, saying that I made an awesome buy..guess Grado has a good reputation.

Anyway, is there anything I should know about before getting into this whole audiophile business sides to save up cash, get some high quality music, and avoid bose? (well my bro tells me to avoid them..). Would I need some sort of dac or something for these cans? How bad is the leakage that I heard so much about? Would I magically become zen with the environment as I transform into an audiophile? Would I get an A on my next college essay?!!

This is for mostly desk use so leakage shouldn't be that big of a problem though I'm interested if my sansa clip+ could drive these. I'm also still building up my music collection, too. My brother did gave me some flac encoded trance albums and I myself have a couple of rock..but it's still only a little bit. I mostly like rock and trance..especially vocal trance!

Cheers and go easy on me!


Welcome! biggrin.gif Yes, you did make a good choice with the grados. The sr60i are kind of a staple around these parts, and are my favorite headphone (despite owning much better ones, I still kick around the house with them.)

 

First, what I would do is upgrade your files, preferably to FLAC or ALAC and then worry about more gear. The files you use are important because crap in = crap out. The grados aren't hard to drive, so they will sound good with any gear you have (unless your sound card is REALLY bad). Once your files are updated, and your wallet has recovered, I'd look into an amp and DAC. I don't have any specific recommendations for either, unfortunately, as I like to build my stuff and am unfamiliar with commercial amps. 

 

Good luck, and sorry about your wallet.

post #3 of 81

Oh, and never go into this thread. 

 

http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/508459/sr60-mod

 

scary, yet wonderful things happen there.

post #4 of 81

I agree wholeheartedly with the above and must also admit that I'm unfamiliar with commercial amps. If you're into DIY, look up the Apheared 47, as it was (I believe) designed for the low-impedance Grado headphones.

http://benfeist.com/a47/

 

Also, I have a bit of a comfort issue with them, in that I can't have them on for more than 2 hours or so. Slowly, I'm breaking them in. If they are uncomfortable at first, don't panic as they will eventually feel better. Note that not everyone has this issue.

 

Finally, I wouldn't use them for gaming, as their "soundstage" is a bit lacking in that respect. I will agree with many people that it's almost like you're on stage with the band, that's how upfront they are. It's pretty awesome.

 

Note that I've never heard the SR-60i, and this post is based solely on my experiences with the similar SR-225i.

post #5 of 81
Thread Starter 
Wow thanks for the reply guys! I'm still working on converting my music to flac, trouble is finding flac files since my music collection is in mostly mp3. And posting that thread only intreagues my curiosity tongue.gif but alas I shall heed your warning. And that's fine if they're not that great for gaming, wasn't really planning on using these for blasting zombies anyway.
post #6 of 81

I personally like the Sr80i better, but the Sr60i are good as well. One thing you might want you consider doing to them is quarter modding them, you can google/search here for pictures. It opened up the sound that the pads were muffling. I hated my Sr80i until I did this. As for a DAC/Amp, you don't really need one for the Sr60i, though down the road it may be something to consider. Any source should power these without much of a problem. As for the music quality I wouldn't bother with FLAC/ALAC unless you are fine with only carrying a small amount of music on your portable player, and you have a decent amount of hard drive space on your desktop. A high bitrate VBR (Variable Bit Rate) will suit the average person just fine, preferably V0. 320kbps would be another option, though VBR would be "smarter."

 

One last thing to remember, the main goal is to enjoy your music. There are a lot of people here who seem to have forgotten that while searching for the "perfect sound." If you're happy with how your music sounds, then just stay far away from here.

 

Edit: You said you're converting your music to FLAC? How are you going about this?

post #7 of 81

The reason he asks about how you are converting to .FLAC is that if you're just converting your .MP3 to .FLAC you won't really gain anything, but if you are re-ripping your CD's or something, then it's okay.

 

I rip all my CD's to .FLAC as a backup, but use predominately .OGG (q9) for my portables. I can't tell a difference, and I still enjoy MP3@128 if that's all I have.

post #8 of 81
Thread Starter 
Downloading new flac files. I already know that converting mp3 to flac is pretty pointless. Sorry I didn't brought that up. To convert ALL of my music..it's gonna take me a while (and a lot of money) to rip them into flac cause you see, the original CD's are long gone since I had most of these songs for years.
post #9 of 81

Welcome to Head-Fi!

 

I've only been into this stuff for a bit over a month and I've already upgraded to some HD650's, so that should give you an idea of how addicting music and headphones really are.  You'll notice things in your music that you've never noticed before, even if you've listened to it hundreds of times.

 

Might want to look at a FiiO e7.  It is mobile enough to strap onto your DAP and it also sounds much better than the default onboard computer sound or your DAP's DAC.  The battery life is great too.

 

 

 

It's all downhill from here.  Enjoy the ride! smily_headphones1.gif

post #10 of 81
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Originally Posted by Kiwikat View Post

Welcome to Head-Fi!

 

I've only been into this stuff for a bit over a month and I've already upgraded to some HD650's, so that should give you an idea of how addicting music and headphones really are.  You'll notice things in your music that you've never noticed before, even if you've listened to it hundreds of times.

 

Might want to look at a FiiO e7.  It is mobile enough to strap onto your DAP and it also sounds much better than the default onboard computer sound or your DAP's DAC.  The battery life is great too.

 

 

 

It's all downhill from here.  Enjoy the ride! smily_headphones1.gif


 

When using the FiiO E7 for portable use you're only using the amp part of it.

post #11 of 81

Welcome. Mod that mother. I'm getting Cocabolo shells as soon as the funds run in.

post #12 of 81

Hey the sr60s are great entry level cans, good first purchase. But allow me to offer some practical advice, you don't need to go and re-rip your entire music collection into flac. Contrary to popular thinking more bits does not necessarilty mean better sound; modern mp3/mp4 encoders (lame mp3 or even itunes aac) sound transparent (same as lossless) at surprisingly low bit-rate (ok, you might hear some difference if you are using some high end dac/amp and flagship cans, but probably not the sr60s). Any difference you hear between flac and decently ripped mp3 is probably psychosomatic, if you don't believe me try an ABX test in foobar. It's nice to have things in flac to archive, but it's overkill imo and will be a total waste on something like a sansa clip.


Some more advice is don't expect them to blow you away straight out of the box, imo burn in time is important for grados, not only does the sound improve, but you also need some time for your ears to adjust to the sound. I've had a pair of SR80s for about 4 years now, and everytime I come back to them they seem to be getting better and better, like a fine wine that improves with the more wine you drink :D.

 

If you are on a tight budget, a dac and amp if quite expensive, there are some budget options available, low-end nuforce and fiio do some nice entry level amp/dac combos, which would probably be the best way to get the most out of your cans; but I wouldn't say it's necessary yet, the grados are quite easy to drive, and you will get along fine without a head-amp for a while. I also wouldn't bother modding your grados yet, especially if they are your first cans, things can go wrong and you could be left headphoneless! Saying that though, you might want to consider changing the pads, as quite a few people find them uncomfortable.

But anyway, enjoy your headphones, everyone remembers their first pair of good cans. x

post #13 of 81
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Originally Posted by ThomasLi View Post

 

But anyway, enjoy your headphones, everyone remembers their first pair of good cans. x


So so true. :)

post #14 of 81
Thread Starter 
Alright then, guess that saves me a bit of trouble. Don't worry, I don't think I'd want to mod the cans juust yet, I'm afraid I might break it D:

Oh and btw, it might be me but personally I think the grados look pretty friggin sweet
post #15 of 81

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Originally Posted by keanex View Post




 

When using the FiiO E7 for portable use you're only using the amp part of it.


Not with the LOD connection...

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