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"Hmm so fillet steak is better than sirloin - what a surprise - I think this thread is utterly pointless."

 

You flunk the course.  Better drop it before the end of the semester.


Edited by Gradofan2 - 3/2/11 at 2:07pm
post #77 of 290

If you have an home amp already,I think you don't have to invest much for the O2.

Though it's not the better set up for O2,but so far I think It is the best set up I've ever heard,and I think it is decent enough to get the O2 work for you.

I bought and sold many headphones for example GS1000,HF2 ,AD2000,dx1000,D7000,k702, DT880,HD650,ED8,T1,HE6 etc..

I think it's worth  qualitative and emotionally buying the O2 .But my situation maybe not quite like anyone else's ,because I can use the home amp with my speaker system,so in my case it's really worth the upgrade to the O2.(I need to add another 300$ for the Stax energizer,because luckily we here in Thailand can buy it cheaply ,because we build ourself this adapter,which compared to the Woo Wee ,It sounds better.)

 

I think It's up to you financial situation too,but for me if I have to suggest one ,what to buy.I will say go directly to the HD800,LCD2,HE6 or T1  ,O2 instead of go though the mid-fi headphones and losts the money for buying and selling.

You just need to read more here and somewhere else to find the phones ,which serve your music and then go for them.

 

see my set up

Krell KAV300i + Stax energizer(can be used with the dynamic headphones)+ O2mkI secondhand(always around 1300$-1600$)

is worth spending  for me than

 

 

HD800+some hiend WOO amps.

 

 

by the way  to be fair ,the O2's rig can't replace my LCD2's rig or my twagged JH16 because they are good in their own way.I need them all and luckily I can afford them.

 

 

p.s like I said before I have to sell my HE6 not because they are worse then LCD2 and HD800,but what I need the HE6 to do,the O2 can do it for me.

The same case is for the T1 and HE6 too,I sold my T1 ,though I liked them so much,because the HE6 just replaced them for their use.

 

 

 

 


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Edited by coolcat - 3/2/11 at 5:05pm
post #78 of 290
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I'm not sure where you're buying the O2's + KGSS for $3,000... or... even the O2's and 727.  For most of us that's a minimum of $4,500 - $5,000.  Perhaps, if you "luck into" a pair of O2's for <$1,000 + the KGSS at a good price, or a 727 at a good price - but, that's very rare.

 

And... I'm betting that combo doesn't provide an overall improvement in sound over the LCD-2, or even the AD2000 + WA6 SEm (that I have), of more than about 15%. 

 

The added cost increment of about 150% for a 15% improvement in sound... or... even an added cost increment of 66% for a 15% improvement in sound - just doesn't compute.  Not in a "rationale World"... maybe... in an "emotional World."

 

It's a lot like paying $400-$500 for a cable for the LCD-2's - it simply can't provide an improvement in the sound "proportionate" to the added cost.  Maybe 15%, but not 50% - it's an "emotional decision," not a "rationale decision," justifed by a 50% improvement in sound. 

 

And... JH-13's are not comparable to headphones.

 

I'm still waiting for the greatest value relative to the sound. 


The Stax Omega 2 is not like a dynamic. IMO all dynamics sacrifice something to get something else enhanced. There's not a dramatic difference between dynamics.

 

I wish the difference was only like 15% better then I'd still have an amp for my beloved Audio Technica W11R. I sold my hard earned Woo Audio 6SE for a reason. It's because I firmly believe that nothing plugged into the Woo Audio 6SE can compare to an Omega. Look at my profile and see the headphones I've tried. I don't think any of them comes close to reaching that level. Again, it's not like 15% better. 15% better is probably like the difference between a Grado 60 to a Grado 225. Actually, I'm not sure how you can quantify it, but it's the closest sound I heard to perfection.

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 but it's the closest sound I heard to perfection.



 That's what I told my friend,the O2MKI are just perfect,no more no less.

 

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 That's what I told my friend,the O2MKI are just perfect,no more no less.

 



Perfect may be a little too strong, but they are excellent and they are better than anything else in production that I've tried. The SR-007/KGSS combo is a lot more than 15% better than any non-electrostatic setup that I heard. I would say that it's more like 50% better than the other headphones mentioned in this thread (HD800, HE-6).

 

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Perfect may be a little too strong, but they are excellent and they are better than anything else in production that I've tried. The SR-007/KGSS combo is a lot more than 15% better than any non-electrostatic setup that I heard. I would say that it's more like 50% better than the other headphones mentioned in this thread (HD800, HE-6).

 

Haha. It's hard to compare the O2 with percentages, because it would look like fanboyism or exaggerated. 

 

I felt I liked the Stax Omega 2 twice more than the K1000 and R10. In order words, if you have an O2, you really don't need to be curious about other headphones.

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 if you have an O2, you really don't need to be curious about other headphones.



You can be curious, but I believe that no other headphones on the market at this time surpass (or even come close to) the SR-007 in terms of overall sound quality.

 

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Haha. It's hard to compare the O2 with percentages, because it would look like fanboyism or exaggerated. 

 

I felt I liked the Stax Omega 2 twice more than the K1000 and R10. In order words, if you have an O2, you really don't need to be curious about other headphones.



I fear for you when the C32 finally drops.

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You can be curious, but I believe that no other headphones on the market at this time surpass (or even come close to) the SR-007 in terms of overall sound quality.

 

I agree so I put "need to". I only have my W11R now because it's easy to drive which makes it easier to use anywhere with anything, and has closed design compared to the open O2.

 

Seeing as how much people pay for top tier dynamic headphone setups, I really would rather just stop with the O2s. I would rather live with a cheap Stax amp and save up for a better amp. Seeing how much Ultrasone charges for their ED10, just imagine how much a dynamic would cost if it actually came close to the speed of electrostatics.

 

Speaking of the O2, my O2 MK1 arrived, but I have no amp for it. =/   I'll be buying one from a very nice legendary Head-fier. XD  Can't wait.

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I fear for you when the C32 finally drops.

Gosh. Fear for me when used ones drop in the For Sale section XD

 

 

or when my wallet recovers..... or when I decide to use my credit card...  whichever

post #86 of 290

I kinda regret not getting that $1200 O2 MK1 in my local forum some time ago but after hearing a close friend who has horror stories about getting his O2 MK2 fixed, I'm not sure anymore. I do acknowledge that a proper O2 system is above my LCD2/β22 though. 

 

Anyway, this question is addressed to visualguy. I've got the chance to hear the HE6 again in a small gathering last weekend and still, no matter how hard I power them, I still experience slight soundstage anomalies. Initially I describe it as a "missing center image" but after hearing it again, I think I know how to describe it better: the center position is ever so slightly recessed against the left and right images. More evident with vocals but not so much with instrumental. I've drawn a crude diagram to show this issue which hopefully, makes it look clearer although the dip is perhaps not as extreme as pictured there. Do you, or anyone, hear something similar to this? 

 

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You can be curious, but I believe that no other headphones on the market at this time surpass (or even come close to) the SR-007 in terms of overall sound quality.

 


 

I've tried many good headphones ( exclude Qualia,HE90,HE60 and the original Omega),the O2mkI ,R10 bass heavy are really the best.The feeling is that,they both produce the sound with ease.The music blends together,though I like the Mid of the LCD2 (very big image,very sweet,very intimate) and the Bass of JH16 (big ,deep, and impactful) more than the Bass and Mid of the R10 and O2 a little.

But Overall If I have to pick one headphones,They should be R10 or O2,because they can give me the music ,the way it should be.

The last post,when I said "no more no less" ,because I just feel the speed,tonal balance,transparency, image are just right,no bass-boost or soever .

I'm still waiting for the C32 and I'm glad,that it sounds like,they are the improove version of the MKI.


Edited by coolcat - 3/3/11 at 3:54am
post #88 of 290
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If you have an home amp already, I think you don't have to invest much for the O2.  Though it's not the better set up for O2, but so far I think It is the best set up I've ever heard, and I think it is decent enough to get the O2 work for you.

 

But my situation maybe not quite like anyone else's, because I can use the home amp with my speaker system, so in my case it's really worth the upgrade to the O2.  (I need to add another 300$ for the Stax energizer, because luckily we here in Thailand can buy it cheaply, because we build ourself this adapter, which compared to the Woo Wee, It sounds better.)

 

See my set up - Krell KAV300i + Stax energizer (can be used with the dynamic headphones) + O2 mkI secondhand (always around 1300$-1600$)

is worth spending  for me than HD800 + some hi-end WOO amps.

 

 

Please clarify.

 

You're using a speaker amp with a "Stax energizer" to drive your O2's... and... dynamic headphones? 

 

How do you do that - How does this work with with dynamic headphones, and with O2's?  Are the dynamic headphones being driven directly from a headphone jack on the speaker amp... and... the O2's being driven from the "adapter," or the "energizer," attached to the "adapter?"

 

What is the DIY "adapter" that is better than the WEE?   Are there other such "adapters" - which may be purchased, rather than built?

 

 


Edited by Gradofan2 - 3/3/11 at 8:12am
post #89 of 290

I think he is talking about those Stax transformer boxes but I could be wrong. 

post #90 of 290

What are the "Stax transformer boxes?" 

 

Was / Is the SRD7 a "Stax transformer box?" 

 

Like the WEE" - do these just attach to your speaker amp to drive Stax phones?

 

And... you would then drive dynamic phones from your speaker amp, or your headphone jack on your pre-amp?

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