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post #106 of 290

An O2mk1/717 combo can be had for considerably less...I got that combo over a year ago for $2000.

post #107 of 290

In regards to the difference in SQ between HD800 and Omega 2, I share the same feelings as visual guy. Actually, the soundstage of HD800 feels much wider but it does not make it any more natural sounding than the Omega 2 (driven by 727, I don't have any better). On the contrary, IMO, the much more precise layering / instrument placement of the Omega 2 makes it much more realistic.

 

In regards to dynamic headphones closing the gap with Omega 2, well surely they're improving but so is Stax... It's going to take time to catch up with the C32, that I can surely imagine...

 

Finally, in regards to price/performance ratio, it's a bit funny talk every time. When I said I preferred the O2 to HD800 in previous threads, people were telling me I should have them driven balanced, by better amp and such. Well, in the end, it really means that to unleash the power of HD800 like headphones you need to drop 3-5kUSD in the amplification.

The O2 does not sound bad out of the 727A to my ear, at least it does sound better than HD800 driven by Luxman p1-u which isn't a shabby amp. So, while 5kUSD in the BHSE makes it indeed a bit inaccessible for most, you can exceed typical dynamic setups at a lower price point.

 

The C32 sounded marvelous out of the 727 so while it may end expensive headphone itself (let say 5kUSD), it will still be in the same ballpark as say HD800 + proper 5kUSD amp. And I am seriously doubting any dynamic headphone gear will be able to even just approach the sound quality of C32/727, regardless of how much you spend on the HD800 amplifier...

post #108 of 290

It's great seeing all these magical second hand deals on the O2 - meanwhile in the real world do they go for any less about $2400 new ? (about double the price of HE6/LCD-2) and that's before you have to find an amp

post #109 of 290
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It's great seeing all these magical second hand deals on the O2 - meanwhile in the real world do they go for any less about $2400 new ? (about double the price of HE6/LCD-2) and that's before you have to find an amp

Used prices are much lower than new... So what do you mean by real world?
 

Amps aren't that pricey if you've read the previous posts. You can get a 727/O2 rig that can trump most dynamic rigs and the O2 STILL has room for improvement. Considering the best amp for the O2 isn't the best way to consider what's "worth it" when less than ideal amplification still kills everything else.

post #110 of 290

Used prices lower than new - great - maybe you could point me at some

 

By real world I mean comparing like with like and in this particular case that means new for may reasons

 

The 727 that seems to require surgery ?

post #111 of 290
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Used prices lower than new - great - maybe you could point me at some

 

By real world I mean comparing like with like and in this particular case that means new for may reasons

 

The 727 that seems to require surgery ?

I don't believe arnaud's 727 is modded.
 

Well, I bought my Stax Omega 2 two weeks ago from Audiogon for $1600 used. A used HD800 is $1100. If we were to compare their sound difference, the Stax Omega 2 would be top tier and the HD800 would really be mid tier. It really is that big of a difference, at least to me.  An amp for both headphones would be around $1300. IMO not that much difference in price, HUGE difference in sound.


Edited by wind016 - 3/4/11 at 7:00pm
post #112 of 290
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Well, I bought my Stax Omega 2 two weeks ago from Audiogon for $1600 used. A used HD800 is $1100. If we were to compare their sound difference, the Stax Omega 2 would be top tier and the HD800 would really be mid tier. It really is that big of a difference, at least to me.  An amp for both headphones would be around $1300. IMO not that much difference in price, HUGE difference in sound.

A little exaggeration to me here. I love my O2 but the HD800 is definitely no slouch. How much is huge?

I won't say the O2+717 is a huge step above the HD800+B22. My justification might change after I finish the amp I'm building but so far I've never underestimated the HD800. Actually, I much prefer it to my K1000.
 

 

post #113 of 290

HD800 are for me a good sleeping pill :P,don't get me wrong I like my HD800 a lot,but just for some types of music,They lack  many things ,but for some songs,they are not that bad.

To compliment the O2,I think the LCD2 are perfect,they may lack the treble-energy(which I think,you can fix this with a proper set up),have bass boost ,too thick sound for someone etc.,but  for me they have their own charm.Almost every cds I throw in the CDP,sound good with the LCD2 (I really felt this way too ,as I had the JVC DX1000,but I sold them,because the LCD2 serve me for what I want from DX1000).

I think ,we are lucky today,that we have a chance to choose many good headphones .2-3 years ago in the era of K701,HD650,DT880,RS1 and also please don't count those K1000,L3000,R10etc.because they're not easy to find,the situation was worse than today.

post #114 of 290
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A little exaggeration to me here. I love my O2 but the HD800 is definitely no slouch. How much is huge?

I won't say the O2+717 is a huge step above the HD800+B22. My justification might change after I finish the amp I'm building but so far I've never underestimated the HD800. Actually, I much prefer it to my K1000.
 

 

It's not an exaggeration to me since I focus a lot on the presentation of the mid range. The HD800 mids definitely can not be compared to the Stax O2 mids. Stax are fast, lush, airy, and detailed. The HD800 are bright and a bit recessed. I believe that if I never heard the Stax O2, I would probably be very happy with the HD800 or HE 6, but I heard the Stax O2 tongue.gif
 

 



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HD800 are for me a good sleeping pill :P,don't get me wrong I like my HD800 a lot,but just for some types of music,They lack  many things ,but for some songs,they are not that bad.

To compliment the O2,I think the LCD2 are perfect,they may lack the treble-energy(which I think,you can fix this with a proper set up),have bass boost ,too thick sound for someone etc.,but  for me they have their own charm.Almost every cds I throw in the CDP,sound good with the LCD2 (I really felt this way too ,as I had the JVC DX1000,but I sold them,because the LCD2 serve me for what I want from DX1000).

I think ,we are lucky today,that we have a chance to choose many good headphones .2-3 years ago in the era of K701,HD650,DT880,RS1 and also please don't count those K1000,L3000,R10etc.because they're not easy to find,the situation was worse than today.


Yes, headphones changed ALOT. Who knew orthodynamics would become such a hit? So many nice dynamics today. Stax were still available then, but it seems much more acceptable to spend $2000+ on headphone equipment after Sennheiser released the HD800. It received the most amazing hype I've ever seen on Head-fi. I think the release of the Sennheiser HD800 and Monster Beats Studio -haha- marked a dramatic change in audiophile headphones. Spending over a $100 on headphones wasn't that ridiculous anymore.


Edited by wind016 - 3/4/11 at 8:16pm
post #115 of 290


We surely have very different ears then.

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It's not an exaggeration to me since I focus a lot on the presentation of the mid range. The HD800 mids definitely can not be compared to the Stax O2 mids. Stax are fast, lush, airy, and detailed. The HD800 are bright and a bit recessed. I believe that if I never heard the Stax O2, I would probably be very happy with the HD800 or HE 6, but I heard the Stax O2 tongue.gif

post #116 of 290
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I don't believe arnaud's 727 is modded.
 

Well, I bought my Stax Omega 2 two weeks ago from Audiogon for $1600 used. A used HD800 is $1100. If we were to compare their sound difference, the Stax Omega 2 would be top tier and the HD800 would really be mid tier. It really is that big of a difference, at least to me.  An amp for both headphones would be around $1300. IMO not that much difference in price, HUGE difference in sound.

 

Did you get the MKI or MKII for that price???

 

Did you get them from "rothmanbrad" on Audiogon?



 

 

post #117 of 290
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And others have reported the GES isn't really adequate to drive the O2's to their optimum, might as well use a 007t II, or 727 - need the WES, or better yet the KGSS, or BHSE. 


 

Screw optimum.  My setup sounds bloody fantastic.  The GES is a fantastic little amp.

You can quote me on that.


Edited by Towert7 - 3/5/11 at 8:31am
post #118 of 290
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A little exaggeration to me here. I love my O2 but the HD800 is definitely no slouch. How much is huge?

I won't say the O2+717 is a huge step above the HD800+B22. My justification might change after I finish the amp I'm building but so far I've never underestimated the HD800. Actually, I much prefer it to my K1000.
 

 



In MY setup, with MY ears, etc... I prefer the K1000 to the HD800 but I find the K1000 VERY unconfortable and tend to grab the HD800 more often.

Still, my global ranking is O2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>K1000>>HD800
post #119 of 290

I bought the O2 for $1450 used (Mk1). 717 for $800. I've seen both go together for $2k so I don't think I got the best deal. This setup doesn't have to be really expensive. And while it's true that the jump between the 717 and BH is pretty big, the 717 and BH are essentially similar in terms of voicing (straight wire with gain, with the 717 being a bit more colored), and with a good source the O2/717 rig can shine. With a transformer box the O2 can shine too, you'll just never get the sort of resolution and bass definition that you'd get with the 717 much less the BH. But then you'll have a world of speaker amps to play with and can voice the system to your preference, and once again, it doesn't have to be expensive. Transformer boxes are hard to find (the Stax ones anyway) but if you keep at it and don't succumb to the "I need this now!" principle then you can get one without paying an arm and a leg (I think I paid $150 for mine).

 

I don't get that whole "stats are more expensive" thing. If you try to match the performance of a 'stat rig with a dynamic one you'll usually end up paying as much or more. The one area dynamics are far ahead in is convenience, but then again custom-molded IEMs are more convenient still. There are also more amp choices in the dynamic world but when you have 'stat amps that are essentially straight wire with gain your source choice becomes far more important anyway.

 

The costs and/or difficulty in getting a 'stat rig are IMO overrated.

 

What I never liked was the voicing of the mid-level Stax (303, 404) but I haven't heard the new lineup. If it doesn't suffer from the same problems then it's even more reason to go 'stat. Then, there's always the ESP950.

post #120 of 290

@catscratch

 

thanks for the insight(s)

 

Clearly the natural competitors to the HE6/LCD-2 are the 303 404 (I have auditioned the 303 and did not like it at all) 

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