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post #1321 of 1355
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

Nah, the extreme outward curving angle of the nozzle is something that will work for a cable down fir with probably less than 10% of the people who own a b2, which means for a cable down use a lot of people will have to go with a very shallow insertion and it's pretty much like using a shallow insertion with an ety iem - it's not at its best sound at all. At any rate, the angle is too steep for such a long nozzle and that's why the dba02 mk2 is a lot better in this regard. ANd brainwavz didn't really tune the B2 - it's an OEM design - not their own.


Brainwavz did tune B2 - they chose a different filter than the one used in DBA02.

 

I can't see on your picture - are you switching channels? if you are not, you are going against the structure of the ear:

 

 

The "acoustic meatus" goes towards the front, not back.

And if you are switching channels - then it should be clear to you that Brainwavz didn't mean for B2 to be worn that way, or they would have switched the "L" and "R" markers.

post #1322 of 1355
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Originally Posted by BenF View Post
 


Brainwavz did tune B2 - they chose a different filter than the one used in DBA02.

 

I can't see on your picture - are you switching channels? if you are not, you are going against the structure of the ear:

 

 

The "acoustic meatus" goes towards the front, not back.

And if you are switching channels - then it should be clear to you that Brainwavz didn't mean for B2 to be worn that way, or they would have switched the "L" and "R" markers.

No, I'm not switching channels. And brainwavz didn't mean anything - it was a ready design and they just cloned the dba02, so someone else made the design and they just put in the nozzle different filter but they still sound the same. Also this pics is pointless coz different ear canals are differently angled but I guess from my pic you can't see that I've rotated the b2 to the side so it follows the angle of my canals. And as I said,  no one has that steep of an outward curved ears canal to fit the b2 properly with the cable down. Rin also mentioned after measuring the B2 that it sounds the best as close to the reference plan as possible, which is the second bend of the ear canal, which is impossible with a cable down fit - only if you use smaller tips and insert it like me.

 

And anyway, you can always shoot Raz a PM and he'll tell you how it's supposed to be worn but inward curving nozzle and short strain reliefs is how over-the-ear iems are made


Edited by kova4a - 1/9/14 at 1:13pm
post #1323 of 1355
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

No, I'm not switching channels. And brainwavz didn't mean anything - it was a ready design and they just cloned the dba02, so someone else made the design and they just put in the nozzle different filter but they still sound the same. Also this pics is pointless coz different ear canals are differently angled but I guess from my pic you can't see that I've rotated the b2 to the side so it follows the angle of my canals. And as I said,  no one has that steep of an outward curved ears canal to fit the b2 properly with the cable down. Rin also mentioned after measuring the B2 that it sounds the best as close to the reference plan as possible, which is the second bend of the ear canal, which is impossible with a cable down fit - only if you use smaller tips and insert it like me.

 

B2 isn't a clone of DBA02, they are both created by the same OEM (not Fischer Audio):

http://www.inearmatters.net/2011/10/review-brainwavz-b2-phoenixs-rebirth.html
 

The angles may be different, but they all are angled forward.

In your picture the cable is straight up - what exactly have you rotated? The nozzle is still pointing toward the back.


Edited by BenF - 1/9/14 at 1:21pm
post #1324 of 1355
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Originally Posted by BenF View Post
 

 

The angles may be different, but they all are angled forward.

In your picture the cable is straight up - what exactly have you rotated? The nozzle is still pointing toward the back.

 

??? I still don't get you point? I've angled it to follow my ear canal, which is slightly upward and still forward but after the first bend it gets slightly less angled to the front, so the housing is pointing forward and is mostly in my ear canal and as the canal curves, the is inserted in that curve and point towards my brain and less forward.

 


Edited by kova4a - 1/9/14 at 1:38pm
post #1325 of 1355

I'll snap you a couple of pics a bit later to show you how ridiculously it fits me cable down - I get better fit cable down if I switch the channels, so just because you have a certain angle of the ear canal and cable down works for you, doesn't mean that's how everyone should wear the b2

post #1326 of 1355
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

??? I still don't get you point? I've angled it to follow my ear canal, which is slightly upward and still forward but after the first bend it gets slightly less angled to the front, so the housing is pointing forward and is mostly in my ear canal and as the canal curves, the is inserted in that curve and point towards my brain and less forward.

 

Even with that rotation, the nozzle would point at 45 degrees up and back.

If this is how your ear canal really goes, fine, but that's not how it goes for most people - so this method is useless for them.

For us, humans, the nozzle would point towards the ear canal's wall and not the membrane.


Edited by BenF - 1/9/14 at 1:54pm
post #1327 of 1355

my wild guess on this:

it's a double driver, one on one side for bass the other for the rest, even if they are pretty close and come out from the same tube, I guess it is possible that your ear bending one way will tend to cover a little bit of the side of the nozzle, attenuating more bass or more "everything else" depending on having the B2 up or down.

 

this is far fetched but at least there is some logic behind it.

post #1328 of 1355
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Originally Posted by BenF View Post
 

Even with that rotation, the nozzle would point at 45 degrees up and back.

If this is how your ear canal really goes, fine, but that's not how it goes for most people - so this method is useless for them.

For us, humans, the nozzle would point towards the ear canal's wall and not the membrane.

You're still missing my point. It was intended to be worn cable up like a shure se530

But they made the nozzle too long and the angle of the nozzle too steep, which gives a very shallow fit if used like this and wearing it cable down can give you a very very slight better fit depending on the ear canals' angle but then the entire housing points outwards out of the ear and sticks out, so actually for what they intended you should be switching channels for a cable down use. That's why Fischer updated the dba02 with the mk2 to fix that issue. And everyone I know is wearing both the brainwavz and the fischer cable up and you're the first one to claim it should be worn cable down. That's why even on the pics of the ads they are pointing cable up.


Edited by kova4a - 1/9/14 at 2:09pm
post #1329 of 1355

Oh, and that's why the letter R and L on the housings are straight when the b2 is cable up and are flipped when it's cable down 

post #1330 of 1355

OK so we can wear it over-the-ear however kova4a I think you like that insertion but that's too much penetration for my canal. if you know what I mean :D

 

I can imagine that you cannot wear it cable-down because of that deep insertion which looks uncomfortable. I have got very good seal with regular cable-down fit with comply T but might order Tx bcs the barrier looks like good to limit sibilance. I know I have very good fit by knowing that I get good bass. To compare to Re0 I would say they are on par in quantity but B2 is better in quality mainly speed /decay  and resolution.


Edited by Bananiq - 1/9/14 at 3:51pm
post #1331 of 1355
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Originally Posted by kova4a View Post
 

Oh, and that's why the letter R and L on the housings are straight when the b2 is cable up and are flipped when it's cable down 

 

This is a good point, but if Brainwavz really meant it to be worn up - it's a huge ergonomic fail on their (or OEM's?) part.

Even in full size headphones manufacturers are trying to point the driver towards the membrane, using angled drivers or angled pads.

Yet in B2 the driver is supposed to point toward the canal's wall instead?

And since there is no chance for deep insertion with the provided tips, most B2 users would experience sibilance and lackluster bass - due to a lack of seal.

 

I'm using them with the MH1C tips (cable down) - no sibilance, good tight bass.

post #1332 of 1355

Why do you prefer these over Comply foams?

post #1333 of 1355
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Originally Posted by Bananiq View Post
 

Why do you prefer these over Comply foams?

 

I just don't like foams at all, didn't even try them with B2.

Tried many non-foam tips, and MH1C tips were the best in SQ and comfort.

post #1334 of 1355

I just noticed how Comply's are not so durable. After few days of using Comply-T its having signs of usage and I see I will have to replace them soon. The red foam is just breaking apart. No my ears are not filled with acid :D but still.

post #1335 of 1355

you could try the Shure black foams (aka Olives). much more durable

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