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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hi Yall,

 

Having just bought and received a FIIO E9, I've a question for other owners of the E9:

 

Try:

 

When the power supply is plugged in (we're talking UK here, just for reference) but the E9 isn't plugged in to anything else (eg. USB), if you touch it and move your hand across any of the metal surfaces, do you get a really nasty tingling in your hands/fingers?

 

(Maybe a better way to describe it would be to say that one were stroking it ;))

 

Is it anyone else's E9 also, or is mine faulty?

 

Interesting thing - the moment that I plug the USB cable (for instance) into my PC, the tingling goes away.

 

(I'm no electrical engineer, but is maybe something grounding to the casing?)

 

If I can find out quickly, I'll know whether or not to return it as faulty before it electrocutes me (I'm sure not ;)).

 

All the best,

 

 

 

 

 

 

Peter

 

 

 

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post #2 of 15
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ps. Please don't hesitate to shout at me if this post should go somewhere else - I've read many threads on Head-Fi in my search for headphones/amps etc., but as I've always been seeking answers, I've never had any knowledge to share back (and hence, my first post! - it all looks "flat" when everything is arrived at through Google...).

post #3 of 15

I faced this problem. Then it went away.But now when i change the volume, i hear some distortion, while music is not playing

post #4 of 15

Can u check and tell me whthr ur e9 also produce distortion, whn u try to change volume and no music is played. For the tingling issue, try to change the power socket and place it on a wooden surface.

post #5 of 15
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Yes, it does actually, though only a little bit - when there's no signal and I change the volume, there is a (faily quiet) hiss as the knob is turned - I'd put it down to sensitive headphones and the normally dark soundstage, but I'd be very interested to hear if anyone has an E9 that doesn't do this?

post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 

Has anyone else at all ever touched their E9?

 

If so, could you possibly let me know if you get the same nasty tingling?

 

Thanks in advance!

post #7 of 15

Pretty much everyone I know that owns the E9 gets the noise when adjusting volume. I'd say it's just a design flaw of the volume pot. Most times I get that noise, sometimes I don't. I dunno what causes it, but I do know that constantly rotating the volume pot between nearly off and max volume multiple times lowers the noise.... but it always comes back later on.

 

It shouldn't be an issue anyways as it only happens when adjusting volume and not while you're actually really listening.

post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply (and to mukulymn too!).

 

You're right, the hiss on the volume control doesn't bother me at all - kind of relaxing, actually.

 

What I'm far more concerned about is the voltage running through the casing (at least, that's what I presume the tingling feeling is?).

 

Most worryingly (please, someone tell me if I'm suffering from terrible, ghastly, abominable ignorance!), the tingling disappears the moment any conductor (such as the USB cable) touches any of the exposed metal of the connections - presumably the current is then running through the connector and into whatever device I've got plugged in to the other end?

post #9 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hi all,

 

The problem persists despite numerous replacement power supplies from the very helpful Amazon reseller.

 

One major question I have though - maybe someone from Fiio could help me on this, if they're around:

 

Seems like a voltage leak to the casing BUT the voltage also leaks into the USB and, more importantly, the line-in/line-out/preamp-out connections.

 

Thus, the voltage leak is travelling straight down whatever high(-ish) quality interconnects I plug in, straight back to my equipment such as CD player (which then also have the voltage leak to their casings).

 

Surely that's going to negatively affect the quality of the sound?

 

Surely for a product dedicated to improving sound quality in any way, that's going to have a huge negative effect on performance of the device??

 

Indeed, I have a nasty feeling that the line-in to my E7 sounds MUCH clearer and more detailed than line-in to my E9 from the same source, using the same cable (though I hate to rely on potentially subjective criteria).

 

 

 

ps. I have this all plugged into a mains conditioner, so it's not that.

 

pps. Argh!?

post #10 of 15
I've faced the tingling oroblem you refer to. But not with my E9, had it with my desktop PC instead. I mnow exactly what you're referring to. This is not a problem with the E9, it's a problem with your power outlet. As far as I can tell it doesn't do anything bad. Try plugging your E9 somewhere else, like in someone else's house. issue will probably go away.
post #11 of 15
I believe this occurs because the neutral of the mains is not at ground potential, so what you feel is the neutral connecting to the ground through your body. It should not happen if you isolate yourself from the ground, e.g. using rubber soled shoes.
You can confirm this by measuring the voltage between the neutral and the ground pins of a power socket.

Unfortunately, this can only be fixed by changing the electrical instalation on your home and/or block of flats. But the voltage should be small, you don't really have to worry about hazardous shocks, IF this is what I'm thinking it is. For the record, in my home, all electric devices with non insulated or grounded chassis do the same thing, not just the E9.
post #12 of 15
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Alas, I fear it may not be that simple!

 

I've indeed already tried plugging it in in two other locations (even in different towns) and yet the problem persists.

 

Further, I've plenty of other metal-chassied equipment (laptops, hi-fi separates, kitchen equipment etc. etc.) and not a single one of those have the same problem.

 

(Yet the moment I plug my E9 into one of them (the laptop/hi-fi separates, not the kitcfhen equipment wink_face.gif), the "tingling"/voltage is transferred to the metal surfaces of that device too - most unpleasant on the metal wristwrest of my laptop - means that I actually can't use the E9/E7 DAC combo as the tingling is too unpleasant as I type.)

 

Really annoying!!

 

 

 

 

post #13 of 15

Just a question. The tingling only happens while it is plugged in but not being used? Does it go away when you actually turn the E9 on and use it?

post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 

Alas, no, the tingling remains even when it's switched on and in use.

 

It's currently good as nothing more than a charging cradle for my E7. triportsad.gif

post #15 of 15
Thread Starter 

Hang on a sec: The (UK) power adaptor for my E9 has a plastic ground prong - doesn't that mean that it's not earthed at all?

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