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post #3211 of 3281
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Originally Posted by bgentry View Post

Are you saying that putting weights on top of a digital player, with no moving parts, improves the sound? And also that different types of weights change the sound in different ways?

Brian?


Absolutely not! That would be just pure crazy! :D

post #3212 of 3281
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The Mac's optical output is quite good, I use a Glass ADAT Cable from Apogee to my various DACs, works very well with older DACs that do not handle more than 96kHz sampling rate.

 

I find USB on the Mac a bit of a hit and miss affair, the newer ones with USB3 can be noisy, although it cleans up nicely with a filter, I use then iFi iUSB Power brick.

For best results the power for the DAC should not come from the Mac's USB port. If powered independently the results can be quite good, and is another reason I bought the iFi brick, there are quite a few vendors doing the same now as I have had the iFi for quite awhile now.

 

Audirvana has a custom exclusive mode USB driver, try it and see if you like it any better than the default Core Audio Driver.

 

I finally settled on a 2011 Sandybridge MacMini with USB2 after trying the more recent USB3 Haswell Minis and iMacs.

Glad to hear!

 

I had even thought there may be some form of optimization occurring for the digital output versus the USB, which is not "advertised" as for music use. In my dedicated 2-channel rig I use a Mac mini, perhaps the one you quoted. I truly like the way it sounds via USB. And it is interesting that you did not like the newer Mac computers. I had thought to use a CEntrance DACport HD as my litmus test to take to the Apple store to try out newer computers - the DACport HD sounds quite good once you connect up a USB cleanup device. My preference is REGEN - cleans it up quite nicely!

 

And I do use all the optimizations built-in Audirvana, for exclusion and such.

 

Thanks for your reply!

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I wanted to share my on-going experience with Roon and HQPlayer.

 

I purchased a Cubox-i4Pro from solid-run.com and imaged a micro SD card with the HQPlayer Network Audio Adapter (NAA) build for that device (Signalyst.com has images for Raspberry Pi, Cubox, et al.), free to download. I literally downloaded, imaged the micro SD card and booted the device - no configuration, at all.

 

End result:

 

Mac Mini 2012, running RoonServer + HQPlayer > Wi-Fi > HQPlayer NAA on Cubox-i4Pro > USB > Schiit Wyrd > iPurifier 2 > Modi 2 Uber > Stereo...

 

I am impressed that this all works, over Wi-Fi, up-sampling everything to 192/24 with the poly-sinc filter. I threw in an iFi Audio iPower 5v for clean power to the Cubox-i.

 

Sounds incredible and for me is end-game as a streamer, at any price (well, a better DAC would be nice... :cool: )

 

Here's a pic (the USB thumb drive is a left-over from when I was running Volumio; it's been removed):

 

post #3214 of 3281
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Originally Posted by b0bb View Post

 

I finally settled on a 2011 Sandybridge MacMini with USB2 after trying the more recent USB3 Haswell Minis and iMacs.

 

Me too, glad that was the good one ;)

 

I've been getting dropouts in my system, with my optically-connected MBP as well. I changed to a firewire drive on the Mac Mini.

Starting to suspect it's Amarra Hifi :confused: 

 

edit: I think I only notice dropouts with the MBP system when it's USB not optical (I use it both ways), so I'll try the Mac Mini with optical and see if that helps.


Edited by grokit - 2/11/16 at 9:37pm
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End result:

 

Mac Mini 2012, running RoonServer + HQPlayer > Wi-Fi > HQPlayer NAA on Cubox-i4Pro > USB > Schiit Wyrd > iPurifier 2 > Modi 2 Uber > Stereo...

 

:eek:  i 'm 47 , so i may be outdated to understand but can you tell me why you need all this thing to have a good sound ?   

 

can your mac mini running  iTunes or audirvana etc..    bluetooth  to a Wyred4sound  BLInk  to your dac will not sound as good ?   ( or a USB regen to a usb dac)

all this boxes and streaming process seems not necessary for me ?

 

but i may be wrong :wink:

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post #3216 of 3281
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Originally Posted by juanitox View Post

eek.gif   i 'm 47 , so i may be outdated to understand but can you tell me why you need all this thing to have a good sound ?   

can your mac mini running  iTunes or audirvana etc..    bluetooth  to a Wyred4sound  BLInk  to your dac will not sound as good ?   ( or a USB regen to a usb dac)
all this boxes and streaming process seems not necessary for me ?

but i may be wrong wink.gif
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I'm about the same age, so that shouldn't play into this. I can answer a few things.

Roon - more about the front end interface. Great way to combine Tidal and personal library. Has many discovery tools and unique ways to filter your library.

HQPlayer - upsampling to higher PCM or conversion to DSD. This allows the player to use better filters and noise shaping than most hardware does in the Dac. Should result in better sound quality.

The other stuff listed is a way to move the endpoint to remote location with no loss. Also to clean up power and signal if needed.

I personally just use Roon with HQPlayer. Both have free trials. Not a big fan of iTunes anymore and sound quality easily beat by HQPlayer, Audirvana+, Amarra and others. Roon has on of the best front ends but not best sound so adding HQPlayer makes it amazing.
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^^ Thanks, @iamoneagain , I couldn't have said it better :beerchug:

post #3218 of 3281
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 HQPlayer - upsampling to higher PCM or conversion to DSD. This allows the player to use better filters and noise shaping than most hardware does in the Dac. Should result in better sound quality.

 

so the best gap in sound is to use HQplayer  in place of iTunes or other player  and make upsampling with it .   

thanks for the info i will make a a try :wink_face:

post #3219 of 3281
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Originally Posted by juanitox View Post

so the best gap in sound is to use HQplayer  in place of iTunes or other player  and make upsampling with it .   
thanks for the info i will make a a try wink_face.gif

Just a note about HQPlayer. I feel it has the best sound on a Mac but it has some drawbacks. The interface is not great and it doesn't support ALAC files.

This is where Roon comes in. It has a great interface and can play ALAC files which it converts to PCm and can send to HQPlayer. So it's the combination of the two. Roon is quite expensive so almost have to think of it as a hardware upgrade.
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BitPerfect from app store is what I use

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I see that Audirvana+ has a 2.4 version now. For those who have updated, please advise if the Play Queue feature is still there. It is the one feature that makes me not use my JRiver. Thanks.

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I see that Audirvana+ has a 2.4 version now. For those who have updated, please advise if the Play Queue feature is still there. It is the one feature that makes me not use my JRiver. Thanks.

Huh? JRiver's play queue is perhaps the most powerful, best implemented play queue I've ever seen. I'm talking about "Playing Now", the list of songs that are playing and will play. Is "play queue" something different in audirvana?

Brian.
post #3223 of 3281
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Originally Posted by bgentry View Post


Huh? JRiver's play queue is perhaps the most powerful, best implemented play queue I've ever seen. I'm talking about "Playing Now", the list of songs that are playing and will play. Is "play queue" something different in audirvana?

Brian.

Thank, Brian but I just don't like JRiver. It just doesn't sit well in my eyes at least, sound notwithstanding.

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I also use JRiver and I know that it is a PC program port to Mac and unix etc.

And what this means.

It still has many pc attributes that haven't been fully addressed, and may never be.

 

But if your comment about "sit well in my eyes" is based upon how it looks, it does have the ability to change the 'skin' and its color scheme.

 

This can at least partially 'disguise' it's pc origins, just a touch anyway.

 

JJ

ps and in my tests it sounded 'best', and in defense of it's pc origins, once it is fully set up it can be very efficient and capable in terms of actual use.

And granted it has WAY more functionality than I will ever want/need/use, which can make using it more cumbersome, but it still sounds better, (when it doesn't occasionally hiccup), than any of 6 other players I compared it to.

post #3225 of 3281
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Originally Posted by georgelai57 View Post
 

I see that Audirvana+ has a 2.4 version now. For those who have updated, please advise if the Play Queue feature is still there. It is the one feature that makes me not use my JRiver. Thanks.

I thought it was strange I did not see this update on my laptop - this update seems to be for newer OSes. My Mac mini has the latest MacOS - my MacBook is running 10.7.5 and is no longer compatible the newest version of Audirvana+.

 

I did not notice any UI differences on my desktop (2.4) versus laptop (2.2.5), so I believe the Play Queue is still there. I'll post back if when I next look it is missing.

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