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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post
 


That is a mean-spirited, bull-Schiit comment, and you know it. Many, many users of A+ have asked about folder-level management.


Stop the whining  - He can fend for himself!.  :deadhorse: 

Always that lynch mob mentality coming through in this forum — 


Edited by joeexp - 3/26/15 at 1:37am
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Stop the whining  - He can fend for himself!.  :deadhorse: 

Always that lynch mob mentality coming through in this forum — 

 

Wasn't defending anyone... just letting you know that you're wrong about the folder topic.

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I'm very much in agreement with Zorrofox.  I would love to be able to view my music collection using nothing more than the directory structure on my NAS.  Artist > Album(s).  That way, even if the tags aren't exactly to Audirvana's liking, my music will show up exactly where I know it is supposed to be.

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I've seen a few people in the thread asking why these players change the presentation of the music.....I'm curious as well, and so does anyone know technically why all these OSX music players have a sound signature style vs being a 'transparent transport' of bits to the DAC stage which would then at that stage introduce its own signature to the music data ?


Edited by Lohb - 3/27/15 at 4:27am
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Originally Posted by Lohb View Post
 

I've seen a few people in the thread asking why these players change the presentation of the music.....I'm curious as well, and so does anyone know technically why all these OSX music players have a sound signature style vs being a 'transparent transport' of bits to the DAC stage which would then at that stage introduce its own signature to the music data ?

 

IMO, I believe it's all expectation bias / placebo. I've experienced this, first-hand. I went through a phase where I swore up-and-down that A+ in stand-alone mode sounded better than iTunes integration mode.

 

As a software engineer, I could possibly understand how passing through Mac OS's Core Audio, with its translation of data to floating point and subsequent interpolation with some minor rounding errors, could possibly have an impact on what's passed to the DAC.

 

However, the modern playback alternatives being discussed on this thread all by-pass these software layers and transport the data directly to the DAC. In most cases, this done using async USB, so there shouldn't be any timing considerations (i.e. what I've seen called "software jitter"). This is the case with both Windows and Mac OS.

 

So, Bitperfect should sound exactly like Audirvana+, which should sound exactly like Amarra, which should sound exactly like Fidelia, which should sound exactly like Decibel.

 

If anything is not working correctly, the subsequent effects are ticks/pops/drop-outs (I've experienced these on Macs with USB issues, as I've documented in this thread); it's not "congested mids" or less "air between the instruments".

 

But, please, educate me if I am wrong about this. I've asked this question here and on other forums, but no one has an answer for why one playback engine would sound different from another. I say they don't and I challenge anyone to pass an ABX that proves otherwise.

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Any A+ users on 2.0x noticing a difference in integer mode 1 vs 2 ?

 

The difference between the integer modes is subtle through the HD650 and virtually inaudible through my Audioengine A2 speakers. Different story through the HD800 though. Integer mode 1 is clearer and more coherent, while mode 2 can sound congested and wooly. I can easily tell one from other in blind tests.

 

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Finally got around to trying Audirvana 2.0.9 - It's the baby of Audirvana 1.5.10 / 1.5.12 and Amarra 3.0

 

Comparison to 1.5.10:

- Increased transparency and resolution

- Still intimate sounding in comparison to Amarra 3.0 but more open sounding than Audirvana Plus

- Bass resolution and speed better than 1.5.12 (almost Amarra like - very, very close)

- Ditches the laid-back sound for a more lively and musical feel

- Mid range is Amarra like (I think Amarra is still ahead by a hair of margin)

- Improved imaging and treble response - pulls off air without adding fatigue

- Best feature is soundstage hands down - does 3D better than Amarra. Everything falls into place perfectly. HD 800's are really able to capture this. I have yet to put my speakers through 2.0.9, but at least on HD 800, 2.0.9 is more favourable to Amarra 3.0

- Soundstage - SERIOUSLY - it's sounding like a high end streamer (never heard better on a computer setup)

- Amarra is a touch more aggressive with a bigger bite (although Audirvana might be more closer to the sweet spot - expect variance between system)

- I can distinguish this very easily running the HD 800 out of neutral studio gear

 

Completely different beast from previous Audirvana versions. It's voiced exceptionally well. I might prefer it to Amarra 3.0 in many cases.

 

Overall, super happy with 2.0.9 - my favourite sounding Audirvana player to date. In terms of SQ ALONE, I could live with either Amarra 3.0 or Audirvana 2.0.9. I can finally put Audirvana on equal footing with Amarra. Been waiting so long to say this!

 

EDIT: Wanted to mention I'm running Amarra 3.0.2. Will report back if Amarra 3.0.3 changes anything.

 

EDIT2: If you have a HD 800, you must absolutely try Audirvana 2.0.9!!! Game/headphone changer. This is the closest I've gotten on headphones (HD 800 specifically) to sounding like ATC monitors in a custom built studio room. It's been a long time since I've had a smile this big. Absolutely destroying Amarra 3.0.2 on HD 800.

 

I don't have experience with Amarra, but I can confirm that there is some pixy-dust voodoo at play with Audirvana+ 2.0.9 and its synergy with the HD800. The jump in sound quality over 1.5.12, which I stuck with for a long time as I was already quite content, was entirely unexpected and stark.

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post
 

 

The difference between the integer modes is subtle through the HD650 and virtually inaudible through my Audioengine A2 speakers. Different story through the HD800 though. Integer mode 1 is clearer and more coherent, while mode 2 can sound congested and wooly. I can easily tell one from other in blind tests.

 

 

I don't have experience with Amarra, but I can confirm that there is some pixy-dust voodoo at play with Audirvana+ 2.0.9 and its synergy with the HD800. The jump in sound quality over 1.5.12, which I stuck with for a long time as I was already quite content, was entirely unexpected and stark.


With your exp. on 800's with integer mode 1+2 I can believe that ...as one guy said, he uses his 800's like a microscope to 'look at' SQ changes in his audio chain.

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Originally Posted by olor1n View Post
 

 

The difference between the integer modes is subtle through the HD650 and virtually inaudible through my Audioengine A2 speakers. Different story through the HD800 though. Integer mode 1 is clearer and more coherent, while mode 2 can sound congested and wooly. I can easily tell one from other in blind tests.

 

 

I don't have experience with Amarra, but I can confirm that there is some pixy-dust voodoo at play with Audirvana+ 2.0.9 and its synergy with the HD800. The jump in sound quality over 1.5.12, which I stuck with for a long time as I was already quite content, was entirely unexpected and stark.

 

Agreed on comparison between Integer 1 and 2.

 

I haven't used Amarra 3.X since hearing Audirvana 2.0.9. The library's been stable, despite annoyance with editing metadata and viewing. When Damien comes out with the IOS app, it will resemble my Spotify setup.

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