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post #1831 of 2381
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Yeah I just loaded all of my HDTracks music and see what you're saying.

 

^ that

 

SWAP used 1.06 GB ?  I hope you are enjoying the lags on OS X.

 

You can only release that memory if you purge the cache. ( purge command in terminal ) 

 

That is something abnormal for a music player... Say I am only listening to music and the 16GBs of RAM loaded aren't enough.... Well.. well... Gonna stick with SongBird for now.

 

VLC is very bad with FLAC, too much distortion even with nighty builds.

 

FIdelia doesn't support keyboard control keys ( Play stop next etc.. ) 

post #1832 of 2381
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Originally Posted by IA64 View Post

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

Yeah I just loaded all of my HDTracks music and see what you're saying.

 

^ that

 

SWAP used 1.06 GB ?  I hope you are enjoying the lags on OS X.

 

You can only release that memory if you purge the cache. ( purge command in terminal ) 

 

That is something abnormal for a music player... Say I am only listening to music and the 16GBs of RAM loaded aren't enough.... Well.. well... Gonna stick with SongBird for now.

 

VLC is very bad with FLAC, too much distortion even with nighty builds.

 

FIdelia doesn't support keyboard control keys ( Play stop next etc.. ) 

I actually don't know how RAM works...OS X was running just fine when I was playing that monster of a playlist (110+ songs) in Audirvana Plus. I didn't notice any serious lag problems.


Edited by miceblue - 4/13/13 at 1:05am
post #1833 of 2381
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by IA64 View Post

Audirvana has memory leak issues... I installed the 1.4.6 version and it's buggy as hell....

 

I lowered the amount of memory reserved to 500MB but after an hour of playing it's using 11GB of RAM  ( Yes 11 ) 

 

Everytime I move to the next track the memory consumption increases by 25-40 MBs... 

 

Worst part of the story is that the software shows that it's using only 500MB Real Memory in Activity Monitor but the reality is that it's using much much more.....

 

And it's not over, when you quit the application it doesn't release the memory back !! It only frees 500MBs, I have to reboot my Mac or type "purge" in terminal to free up the inactive RAM 

 

It's not a memory leak, it's a misunderstanding of how virtual memory works in Mac OS X. Try this: Get two Macs networked and open up a shared disk from one on the other. Copy a folder with a few thousand files in and watch the inactive memory fill up the RAM. You'd think this is a memory leak, but it's actually intentional. The idea is to keep recent data in memory in case it needs to be accessed again soon after, but mark it as inactive so it can be quickly over-written. It is effectively free memory.  A similar thing happens when you run Audirvana.  

 

If you purge that inactive memory, in some cases you can end up with your machine slowing down as quite a bit of data that was in the inactive memory ends up being accessed from the hard drive again.

post #1834 of 2381
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

I actually don't know how RAM works...OS X was running just fine when I was playing that monster of a playlist in Audirvana Plus. I didn't notice any serious lag problems.

 

You won't notice lags unless you launch new applications because all your RAM is reserved, system is using your HDD instead of RAM to cache memory. Unless you are using an SSD, that would be detrimental to the performance overall. Application launch time will be significantly higher.

post #1835 of 2381
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Originally Posted by IA64 View Post

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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

I actually don't know how RAM works...OS X was running just fine when I was playing that monster of a playlist in Audirvana Plus. I didn't notice any serious lag problems.

 

You won't notice lags unless you launch new applications because all your RAM is reserved, system is using your HDD instead of RAM to cache memory. Unless you are using an SSD, that would be detrimental to the performance overall. Application launch time will be significantly higher.

Yeah I'm using a SSD. >.>

Doing the same thing on my old MacBook with a HDD on the other hand, it would definitely lag like crazy *I'm not going to try it, hahaha*.

post #1836 of 2381
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

 

It's not a memory leak, it's a misunderstanding of how virtual memory works in Mac OS X. Try this: Get two Macs networked and open up a shared disk from one on the other. Copy a folder with a few thousand files in and watch the inactive memory fill up the RAM. You'd think this is a memory leak, but it's actually intentional. The idea is to keep recent data in memory in case it needs to be accessed again soon after, but mark it as inactive so it can be quickly over-written. It is effectively free memory.  A similar thing happens when you run Audirvana.  

 

If you purge that inactive memory, in some cases you can end up with your machine slowing down as quite a bit of inactive memory ends up being accessed again.

 

yeah sorry I know how RAM works, first I thought it was a memory leak then I edited the first post when I noticed that it was inactive, forgot to correct the leak claim.

 

However this should be freed once the application exits. It's not the case. I'd rather purge the cache than hear my HDD bloating and struggling all the time.

 

Audirvana gives you the option to allocate active RAM as much as you want, say 5GB-10GB... but then, I find it useless if the system will cache it.

 

Fidelia, itunes, Songbird and other players don't have similar impact on the PC performance. That's only the case with Audirvana.

post #1837 of 2381

I have Audirvana remember my playlist which has something like 1000-2000 songs in it and I don't have this problem at all.  I'm using a Macbook, 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo, 8Gb RAM, Integer Mode On and 2Gb dedicated to A+.  Using iTunes with A+ will sometimes cause issues that you describe but I use a free app called FreeMemory and it will dump what A+ has saved in Inactive.

post #1838 of 2381
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Originally Posted by IA64 View Post

 

SWAP used 1.06 GB ?  I hope you are enjoying the lags on OS X.

 

You can only release that memory if you purge the cache. ( purge command in terminal ) 

 

That is something abnormal for a music player... Say I am only listening to music and the 16GBs of RAM loaded aren't enough.... Well.. well... Gonna stick with SongBird for now.

 

VLC is very bad with FLAC, too much distortion even with nighty builds.

 

FIdelia doesn't support keyboard control keys ( Play stop next etc.. ) 

 

Play/Stop - Spacebar

Next song - Command-Rt. Arrow

Prev. song - Cmd-Left Arrow

Shuffle    -   Option-Cmd-S

Enable/Disable effects - Cmd-D

 

there may be more, I'm not sure ... that's all I know.  smile_phones.gif

 

The remote-control App for iDevice is great too.

post #1839 of 2381
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Originally Posted by solserenade View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by IA64 View Post

 

SWAP used 1.06 GB ?  I hope you are enjoying the lags on OS X.

 

You can only release that memory if you purge the cache. ( purge command in terminal ) 

 

That is something abnormal for a music player... Say I am only listening to music and the 16GBs of RAM loaded aren't enough.... Well.. well... Gonna stick with SongBird for now.

 

VLC is very bad with FLAC, too much distortion even with nighty builds.

 

FIdelia doesn't support keyboard control keys ( Play stop next etc.. ) 

 

Play/Stop - Spacebar

Next song - Command-Rt. Arrow

Prev. song - Cmd-Left Arrow

Shuffle    -   Option-Cmd-S

Enable/Disable effects - Cmd-D

 

there may be more, I'm not sure ... that's all I know.  smile_phones.gif

 

The remote-control App for iDevice is great too.

I think the point was that you can't use the media-control keys like Audirvana Plus. Pressing the spacebar in Firefox, for example, won't play/pause the music.

post #1840 of 2381
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Originally Posted by Jmstrmbn View Post

I have Audirvana remember my playlist which has something like 1000-2000 songs in it and I don't have this problem at all.  I'm using a Macbook, 2.4Ghz Core 2 Duo, 8Gb RAM, Integer Mode On and 2Gb dedicated to A+.  Using iTunes with A+ will sometimes cause issues that you describe but I use a free app called FreeMemory and it will dump what A+ has saved in Inactive.

 

....as well as what all other apps have. Immediately afterwards, unless you have an SSD, enjoy the incredible lag as your system re-loads a heap of data from disk.  The Mac OS X memory system works fine and doesn't need messing with. The problem is more many apps having become bloatware over the last decade, full of unnecessary eye candy.

post #1841 of 2381
I'm currently trying out the Fidelia demo and so far I'm impressed with it - the iZotope sampler having, to my ears at least, a clear advantage over the standard apple samplers in terms of separation and air. I also like that it's not dependent on iTunes being open as I have 2 iTunes libraries, one for serving my iToys and one specifically for the purpose of archiving CDs into lossless format.

I've played with the advanced package and could not really find anything that improved the sound further, but that's probably because I don't have the faintest idea what I'm doing with the settings. Also as I'm not using, and am unlikely to use anything above 44.1 16bit lossless material, therefore I don't really see what loading the whole track into memory will give to me. The "hog" mode is interesting, but as I can tell the system to use the standard sound and Fidelia to use the DAC there seems to be no need real need for this from my point of view.

The FHX add-on is not for me. It's interesting, but found nothing there which I could see myself using with any regularity, if at all.

The only bad point really is the library which really looks as if could have come out of the 90's - definitely a case of letting engineers to close to the UI programming wink.gif but I can live with it.

So, I'm about to pull the trigger on the basic version, but only so long as the basic version supports the iZotope sampling, and the abilty to add the standard Apple effect filters, mainly for equalisation should I need it.

If anybody could confirm that the basic package will do what I want then I'd really appreciate it as the site App Store description and the Fidelia site don't appear to be entirely clear on this.
Edited by Slaphead - 4/14/13 at 6:22am
post #1842 of 2381
With the basic version of Fidelia you can run AUs such as Apple's EQ. The isotope resampler also works when the volume is being attenuated. So, yes I think Fidelia will do all that you require.
post #1843 of 2381

Give me a bitperfect playback for Songbird and I'll stick with it for life. 

post #1844 of 2381
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Originally Posted by miceblue View Post

I think the point was that you can't use the media-control keys like Audirvana Plus. Pressing the spacebar in Firefox, for example, won't play/pause the music.

I see your point:. The "media control keys" on the keyboard would control iTunes instead of Fidelia.
post #1845 of 2381

Very long thread and didnt have time to read all of it. Anyway can someone please recommend a music player for use with macbook pro. Preferably something that can adjust the bass. thanks

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