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post #931 of 983
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Originally Posted by luisdent View Post

As the arrow is much more expensive I'd like to point you to the jds labs C5.  It is more than $100 but about half the price of the arrow.  And it is extremely reference quality for a portable amp.  I use it with the 232 and it's the best they've sounded.  It doesn't make them have any more treble, but it opens up the treble "details" by revealing more space between instruments and such.  highly recommend it.  The e11 is kinda crappy because you can't use it while it's charging from what I understand.  If that's important to you (i use my c5 charging sometimes).  The zo is the lowest quality of the bunch.  While it isn't "bad", it fluctuates the entire frequency spectrum if you use any bass boost settings other than none. :-P  Some people like what it does, but the 232, although V shaped, is very smooth throughout the frequency spectrum.  The zo would add unevenness to the sound.  Good or bad would be the opinion of the listener, but definitely less "accurate".

I'd go for an e12 if price is absolutely critical.  But I recommend going up a step to the more reference jds c5.  It has a slightly more consistent frequency response and specs are excellent on the C5.  Channel imbalance is 0, volume steps are minute, bass boost is theater like (i wouldn't use it for the 232 personally), custom cases can be engraved, etc. etc.

Just my two cents. :-) John at jds is awesome too.  Really top notch customer service straight from them.  Literally.

Great, thanks for the suggestion! I'll look into the JDS Labs C5. I'm not sure If I'm willing to shell out the money for an Arrow 4G since I just spent a good chunk of cash on a pair of PFE 232's. rolleyes.gif
post #932 of 983
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Originally Posted by RickH9 View Post


Great, thanks for the suggestion! I'll look into the JDS Labs C5. I'm not sure If I'm willing to shell out the money for an Arrow 4G since I just spent a good chunk of cash on a pair of PFE 232's. rolleyes.gif

 

The C5 sounds just as good as the arrow if not better, but lacks a bit of the eq adjustment with bass/treble the arrow has and is a bit larger physically.  The arrow is ridiculously thin.  But they're still both portable.

 

I will tell you this though.  If you start with a good player and the 232, you won't hear a major difference with an amp.  Don't expect a big upgrade in sound.  Things will be better, but the difference should be pretty small if your player is good to begin with.  Such as a new ipod or a sansa clip+/zip...  Just saying.  Some people (me) prefer that slight quality difference and (with some earphones) the power difference.  But I would argue it's slight enough that most "normal" listeners wouldn't hear a difference.  If you are an audiophile who wants the best possible sound, you should hear a difference.  But a small one.


Edited by luisdent - 7/13/13 at 11:11am
post #933 of 983

Agreed. I like hearing the overhead and sense of energy behind the music that an amp provides. Without the amp, I sense strain or a limitation that I can't put my finger on.

post #934 of 983
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Originally Posted by FieldingMellish View Post

Agreed. I like hearing the overhead and sense of energy behind the music that an amp provides. Without the amp, I sense strain or a limitation that I can't put my finger on.

 

Yeah, it makes the sound more natural and effortless.  Sort of "opens it up" a bit.  But you'll get bigger differences in sound switching earphones than switching amps.  The great thing about the C5 is that it has a low output impedance, so it won't change the sound of the earphones "natural" frequency response.  Some other amps will.  Again, some may like this, but it deviates from the reference expected quality of things.  The C5 also has dead silent noise floor.  Like... dead....  Beautiful.

post #935 of 983
After considering a pair of PFE232 for quite a while now, I took advantage of an Earphone Solutions open box sale at the weekend and picked up a pair for $380 + shipping ($25) to Australia. Took just 3 days to get here via FedEx. They are sold out of open box but still have a 25% off coupon on their product page for new ones.

I've been listening to them with the stock grey filters all evening and got to say I prefer them to my W4Rs and UMX3 (previous favorite). I think the W4r will now get moved on.

All the comments about deep, clear and fast bass is true. And the soundstage! It's very good for an IEM.

I'll leave my comments there because everything that needs to said about the PFE232 has been posted already. Just thought I'd add my disappointment that Audeo has stopped production of earphones going by how good these are.
post #936 of 983
Could someone point me earphones with a sound signature similar to PFE232? (Sorry my bad english tongue.gif)
post #937 of 983

I haven't heard them yet, but these have a very similar response... http://en.goldenears.net/20925  They are somewhat similra in price range and both seem to get good reviews for that type of signature.  The sennheiser's will probably be made for a good while too, as they are new and the flagship model.

post #938 of 983

Am sat here breaking in my new Clas -dB and Pico Power combo. Tentatively leaning towards sounding "stunning". Specifically with the PFE 232 the sound is now more coherent. On some setups or tracks the PFE 232 signature can be (a) mids / vocal recessed, or (b) treble over-stretching itself in the sense it may come across as slightly thin / sparkly and sibilant. With this duo am now getting wider soundstage, better separation, vocal body that is now in line with the rest of the spectrum, control up top and bottom.

 

Has seriously made me lose interest in getting a new IEM. Still scouting a new full-size mind.

post #939 of 983

Could anybody tell me if these will be a significant improvement over the VSonic GR07? Or is it more of a lateral move. If they are in a different league altogether, I may get a pair. 

post #940 of 983
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post

Could anybody tell me if these will be a significant improvement over the VSonic GR07? Or is it more of a lateral move. If they are in a different league altogether, I may get a pair. 
It's been a while, but i'd say they're both good with different treble problems. The pfe is probably better overall imo, but neither are perfect.
post #941 of 983
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Originally Posted by mrhizzo View Post

Could someone point me earphones with a sound signature similar to PFE232? (Sorry my bad english tongue.gif)
I haven't heard anything identical, but the sennheiser ie800 are very similar with less peaky treble. And more balance between bass and treble, but they both have recessed mids.
post #942 of 983

Thanks for the thoughts, Luis. I like my GR07s, but I'm sort of looking for an upgrade - I don't know if the 232s would be that for me. I can't seem to find any comparisons, so I'm not sure if the 232s are significantly better or just a tad.

post #943 of 983
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Originally Posted by doublea71 View Post

Thanks for the thoughts, Luis. I like my GR07s, but I'm sort of looking for an upgrade - I don't know if the 232s would be that for me. I can't seem to find any comparisons, so I'm not sure if the 232s are significantly better or just a tad.

The treble of the pfe is overall smoother, but it is still a bit "hot" in the high treble, like 10khz or something. It makes cymbals and thing sound very "shhhhhh" like. However it is great for opening up orchestras and such with air and presence. The gr07 also sounds a bit more congested in presentation. The pfe seems more balanced and open overall. But it depends on your taste. I find the treble of both to be too imperfect for my taste. I actually prefer the much flatter pfe112. But my favorite is the er4s. So i prefer more ruler flat stuff. If you like raised bass and treble, the 232 is one of the best u/v shaped earphones out there. The ie800 is good too, but i don't think it justifies the price personally...
post #944 of 983
omg just came back with black filter for a long time with grey and i really feel it's a different phone. the bass and treble is amazing.
post #945 of 983

Has anyone bought a replacement cable for these? I have a brand new pair of 232's on the way, but I was curious what would happen in the event that I needed an additional cable for these. The Audeo website sells extra filters and tips, but not cables. Any experiences with this?

 

Also, can someone link me to exactly which Olive's will fit appropriately on the nozzle?


Edited by rbf1138 - 10/6/13 at 12:37pm
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