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post #901 of 1011

I've been listening to the 232 with the foam tips a while tonight.  I prefer the accuracy of the er4s when fitted properly, but with the foam tips the 232 are pretty nice.  They are a little raspy at times, which is my biggest complaint, but not really sibilant at all like the silicon tips.   Although not as neutral as the er4s, the bass and mid bass can make some music seem more intimate and soft in a good way.  And the bass might be a little more than neutral as well, but it can be really nice in some songs where the bass is prominent in the sub area.

post #902 of 1011

I'm finding that sibilance is avoidable on the 232 using the advice above about foam and insertion depth, but also the amp and source are critical.  For example, my Arrow sounds so much more realistic on the | gain instead of 0.  I believe the switch makes changes to the amount of negative feedback, which is known to affect sound on many designs... you can get a parasitic resonance or treble overshoot.  Interestingly, it also happens on gain II, but probaby for different reasons (like not enough feedback to tame a nonlinearity in the gain device).  

 

Interestingly, the tonal balance of the Arrow on the | gain setting is a bit warmer in the midrange, and this mitigates the V-shape of the 232 response quite a bit.  

 

I found my E7 and E17 were not usable with the 232s to my standards (I'm pretty sensitive to sibilance or peaks just above, such as the 10k range mentioned above). 


Edited by Stoney - 4/10/13 at 10:22pm
post #903 of 1011

I am using shure triple flange with mine and have no issue with the treble. I found they sound best with deep insertion and a strong seal.

post #904 of 1011

Deep insertion seems to push any treble artifact higher, perhaps in your case beyond where it is detectable or objectionable.  Foam seems to diminish that resonance.  Either or both methods seem to help. I wish I had measurements or theory to back that up, but it seems to match observations over the years. 

post #905 of 1011

it does not make a lot of sense for a headphone that cost $600 to have harsh. So you are sure it do not require burn in? I have a westone um3x and it never has any harsh, although I have to say that pfe232 is better sounding. the harsh is not making sense to me. as I listen more and more in the last few hours. I think I found that the harsh only happen on right earphone. I guess I will proceed with a replacement from earphonesolutions.
 

post #906 of 1011
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it does not make a lot of sense for a headphone that cost $600 to have harsh. So you are sure it do not require burn in? I have a westone um3x and it never has any harsh, although I have to say that pfe232 is better sounding. the harsh is not making sense to me. as I listen more and more in the last few hours. I think I found that the harsh only happen on right earphone. I guess I will proceed with a replacement from earphonesolutions.
 

 

I wouldn't ever call the harsh really.  They can be sibilant with the silicon tips, but even then, it isn't the normal sibilance that most earphones have.  It's more of a raspy high frequency sound from the amount of treble they have up in the 10k+ region.  It can be a bit "spikey" which cause what some describe as the sibilance or harshness.

 

However, the foam pretty much fixes this.  Nonetheless, They are very treble extended headphones with a boosted range as well, so even with foam tips they still have a sort of raspy quality to the treble even when it is even with the bass for the most part.  I don't mean raspy like a bad spike that sounds harsh, I mean that the treble in general has a very extended range with such a boost that it causes things to sound sort of like when you say the letter S like a snake.  It isn't that you necessarily hear this stand out, but rather that it is the overall feel of the treble range.  If you compare it to something like even the pfe112, you'll see the treble has this quality to it.  This is primarily because of where the midrange is dropping out in the spectrum.  You end up with a certain type of treble sound.

 

It's very revealing and detailed and airy, but the whole treble range is elevated over the mids so that it takes on that quality of raspiness.  I think some people will find this off putting.  I'm torn.  I would rather have the exact earphone with a more flattened out treble and midbass, but as it is, it sounds very good nonetheless.  I haven't heard much better bass in an IEM, and while the treble isn't perfect it does reveal a lot of details and is fairly level in it's range...

post #907 of 1011

I've never had luck in my canals with anything but foam tips.  The E500 and SE530, for example, emphasized sibilance more than the 232, but the phenomenon seems to be the same.  

post #908 of 1011

the comply foam was the tips I used. still harsh. you do not think it is defective or something?

post #909 of 1011
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the comply foam was the tips I used. still harsh. you do not think it is defective or something?

"Probably" not. I'd have to hear them, but I've listened to two separate sets of pfe 232s, and they are simply a little "full" in the treble range. Some people find this harsh or sibilant.

Hearing loss and possibly differences in our ear canals and such cause differences in how we hear treble harshness. The best way to remove this is disable any EQ, use foam tips and insert then deeply. A nice flat amp helps too, but an iPod is fairly similar in frequency response.

If that doesn't help, you simply don't like the treble signature if the 232. It's not perfect, so I wouldn't think there's necessarily something wrong...
Edited by luisdent - 4/12/13 at 3:43pm
post #910 of 1011

thanks a lot for your inputs. I will try few more days with my clean ear canal. which filter did you use?

 

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"Probably" not. I'd have to hear them, but I've listened to two separate sets of pfe 232s, and they are simply a little "full" in the treble range. Some people find this harsh or sibilant.

Hearing loss and possibly differences in our ear canals and such cause differences in how we hear treble harshness. The best way to remove this is disable any EQ, use foam tips and insert then deeply. A nice flat amp helps too, but an iPod is fairly similar in frequency response.

If that doesn't help, you simply don't like the treble signature if the 232. It's not perfect, so I wouldn't think there's necessarily something wrong...
post #911 of 1011
I only use the grey filters. I don't like any more of a v shape personally. The grey will be the most neutral and the least harsh.
post #912 of 1011

I have been using the black filter and I will try grey again. for some reason, I did not get any harsh today. it requires burn in? I am in Boston, since you are in NH, maybe someday you can listen to mine and make sure mine is not a defective one. :)

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I only use the grey filters. I don't like any more of a v shape personally. The grey will be the most neutral and the least harsh.
post #913 of 1011
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I have been using the black filter and I will try grey again. for some reason, I did not get any harsh today. it requires burn in? I am in Boston, since you are in NH, maybe someday you can listen to mine and make sure mine is not a defective one. smily_headphones1.gif

It must be crazy there after today's events. :-/
post #914 of 1011

yes, I have no mood enjoying my pfe232 these days. road close everywhere. polices everywhere.

 

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It must be crazy there after today's events. :-/
post #915 of 1011

Hello

I am considering buying a pfe 232. But I need an information about the volume level. I had w4 before, sometimes I had to turn the volume max in order to reach to my listening level (i have a hearing disability) If I get an pfe, will I have difficulty about volume level? Btw I have hm601 Sansa clip and iPod 5.5.. Thank you for your consideration.

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