[NEWS / DISCUSSION / IMPRESSION] Phonak Audéo PFE232 - Page 50

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Originally Posted by dogears 

So how does the filtered ASG1 (pls don't say shouty anymore) compare with this PFE232 - or even the 121?

ASG-1:

Are more capable earphones, with mid spikes, they have an amazing soundstage, are not as comfortable, lack highs

232:

More sibilant, nice mids and highs, above-average soundstage, very comfortable.

Personally:

-If your into normal listening:

Pfe 232's

Redgiant A03

-If your into on-stage monitoring, or can really stand the mids, or don't EQ:
ASG-1 for everything and anything

Basically the asg-1 is the best technically speaking earphones I've ever heard, but they just aren't made for personal listening, at least that's not what I call personal listening. It's pro audio, and I don't need it listening to usher, for example.

I actually think the PFE is less offensive in comparison to the ASG-1s, which is why I think it got better reception.  The bass is really more of a terms of preference between the two.  The ASG-1s midrange is favored over the PFE slightly.  The main difference for me is that the PFE's treble just blows the ASG-1s out of the water.  Again, this is unfiltered.

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 

I actually think the PFE is less offensive in comparison to the ASG-1s, which is why I think it got better reception.  The bass is really more of a terms of preference between the two.  The ASG-1s midrange is favored over the PFE slightly.  The main difference for me is that the PFE's treble just blows the ASG-1s out of the water.  Again, this is unfiltered.

IMO they are completely different earphones and more so completely different purposes.

Both are liked by certain people, and both are not that common among people - one being expensive, the other being not as well known.

Ever since I got them, and I've kept quiet about it - but I feel like something is missing on the right earphone, vs the left earphone.

Almost like a driver isn't working...has anyone else experienced this?

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Originally Posted by Totally Dubbed 

Ever since I got them, and I've kept quiet about it - but I feel like something is missing on the right earphone, vs the left earphone.

Almost like a driver isn't working...has anyone else experienced this?

1. It can be a seal issue.

Try to get a better seal - I had the same thing and when I had got a better seal, it got ok.

2. Are you by any chance using the Comply tips?

Check out this video if you're, it can help you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N7Zc5meSooI

Tyll explains there what can make the sound muffled when using Complys.

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Originally Posted by ItsMeHere 

1. It can be a seal issue.

Try to get a better seal - I had the same thing and when I had got a better seal, it got ok.

 

2. Are you by any chance using the Comply tips?

Check out this video if you're, it can help you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N7Zc5meSooI

 

Tyll explains there what can make the sound muffled when using Complys.

 

I thought seal too...but I've tried a few tips now - I mean...it's worse on the stock silicones.
By that I mean, i notice it more, than with the comply's on.

And comply wise...I have used the stock t130's...but got my p series out..and gotta tell you p series long are super comfy!

I know they aren't made for the 232's but they fit well, and are great for isolation lol.

And I didn't like tyll's recommendation.

If anything it made it even worse.

Check the comments - i tried it with the p series back with the mg7s...and it sucked.

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Originally Posted by Totally Dubbed 

 

And comply wise...I have used the stock t130's...but got my p series out..and gotta tell you p series long are super comfy!

I know they aren't made for the 232's but they fit well, and are great for isolation lol.

 

 

I'll try the P-series tips later.

Your problem is very weird. Maybe you should try to contact the PR agency about it.

P.S: I don't think it'll help, but try replacing the filters, maybe the right one is defective.

^ I'll try the filters, good shout.

I'll check within the nozzle just in case....

And 232's with Pseries...reminds me of a mini handheld camera with a HUGE lens lol

I was just thinking the same that the right filter might be dirty.  Replace them both just in case though. 

Ok I've been doing a lot of listening...and there is something up - for sure.

The left earphone is just simply louder.

I tried different filters, tips, source, no amp/with amp

And the deal breaker was this:

Putting my MG7's or CKS77's back on, and then realising there is nothing wrong with my ear (as stupid as that might sound, but maybe it was to do with the insertion or something with my right ear canal)

Long story short, i think a driver is bust on the right side.

I've already been offered a replacement, and I waited to make sure it wasn't me.

I can pretty much confirm it isn't me lol.

It's not noticeable at first...but then you compare...and you can tell, especially if you listen closely.

It's almost like this:
Feels like the bass is actually "working" on the left, but on the left side, and not in the middle, as it should.

I know stereo recordings etc, but it isn't the case, as all my other earphones don't have that "problem"

Why didn't I ever think of the cable?

I'll check now.

Oh and it's not the channel - it's 1 driver, out of the 2 in the right ear - at least that's what I'm feeling.

Almost feels like it comes in and out, by that I mean sometimes I hear the different like night and day, then at others I can't see a problem.

EDIT:
I don't know if it is or isn't my head or not lol.

I really should do even more testing - this time with the ipod wire.

I was testing for over 5hrs, beforehand.

Possibly was a loose connection? I have no idea.

Let's see where this tale takes me lol.

When I get this problem it's normally a seal imbalance caused by driver flex.  PFEs don't have this problem as much, but it still is possible.  Another thing is that some songs don't have balanced bass.  Some have it panned to the right a bit, while others do it to the left.  That specific location you showed in your image is a location where a lot of higher mids are placed. 

Either way, I'd contact Phonak CS.

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Originally Posted by tinyman392 

When I get this problem it's normally a seal imbalance caused by driver flex.  PFEs don't have this problem as much, but it still is possible.  Another thing is that some songs don't have balanced bass.  Some have it panned to the right a bit, while others do it to the left.  That specific location you showed in your image is a location where a lot of higher mids are placed. 

 

Either way, I'd contact Phonak CS.

well in the image, it's because it felt like one of the drivers weren't pulling their weight.

Pushing it diagonally left lol.

Just thinking of it:

And yeah as I said, it's not that as if it was then my other earphones would have the same problem.