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post #676 of 3028

Well, lets not confuse the general character of the EX1000's treble w/ a peak or two that some might be more sensitive to than others.

 

The cable swap only seemed to remove that annoying peak for me, nothing else.  It doesn't make the EX1000 sound like an Orpheus.  Still sounds like an EX1000.  So yes I prefer the cheaper, crappier cable from the EX600 over the pricier EX1000 cable.  I've AB'd them 3x's now so I must have massive expectation bias.  wink.gif  I like listening to music w/o discomfort, call me crazy.  

 

Yes, a poor seal on the EX1000 will really thin out the bass and the peaks will rape your ears.  

post #677 of 3028

 

For USA customers ... If you use Google Shopping SE to price compare EX1000, you get a pretty substantial $$ range ... $315 - retail. Anyone SUCCESSFULLY order from the low-$$ outlets?

post #678 of 3028
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Originally Posted by music_4321 View Post
 
I think those who have treble issues with the EX1000s is either due to a poor fit or just plain dislike of the Sony's sound sig. The treble is definitely brighter than on the W4, UM3X, CK100, SE530, SM3, UM2 & IE8. 
 
I did say in my initial impressions (comparing the W4 with the EX1000 loaner I had with a 'Japanese' cable) that the treble reminded me of the TF10, which I liked a lot, in fact possibly my favourite treble-wise before I got the EX1000s. Some consider the TF10's treble too bright, but many have reported having (serious) fit issues with it (not my case, BTW). 

 

I'm Ok with "brighter", but it absolutely, insanely, bright. I don't even consider TF10 as bright. They are almost dark sounding (in a way I managed to fit them) I do consider treble of RE0 and GA1 and ER4P and F700 to bee too much for my taste, but I can tolerate easily all of them. But not EX1000. It is in another league of brightness :))

 

The fit is crazy on these. None of my tips worked until, after couple of hours of DIY, i created some compilation from two reversed tips. It didn't help sibilance, but midrange finally got a body, and bass became more pronounced. It is much more fun now.

post #679 of 3028
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Originally Posted by lelek45 View Post

The fit is crazy on these. None of my tips worked until, after couple of hours of DIY, i created some compilation from two reversed tips.

 

I had a good laugh reading this interview with Sony's "Ear Shape Craftsperson".

 

Quote:
Interviewer: What is an Ear Shape Craftsperson?

Tomohiro Matsuo: The headphones division at Sony has a successor system where someone in the company is appointed to take numerous human ear samples and study the shape of the human ear, and I am the fifth craftsperson to bear the title.
post #680 of 3028
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lelek45 View Post

I'm Ok with "brighter", but it absolutely, insanely, bright. I don't even consider TF10 as bright. They are almost dark sounding (in a way I managed to fit them) I do consider treble of RE0 and GA1 and ER4P and F700 to bee too much for my taste, but I can tolerate easily all of them. But not EX1000. It is in another league of brightness :))


Something's wrong with either your fit or your phone. My EX1000 are definitely less bright than the RE0.

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Quote:
Interviewer: What is an Ear Shape Craftsperson?

Tomohiro Matsuo: The headphones division at Sony has a successor system where someone in the company is appointed to take numerous human ear samples and study the shape of the human ear, and I am the fifth craftsperson to bear the title.


It seems they hired the wrong person....Do they read ths thread???  :)

post #682 of 3028
When I had impressions made for some um56 tips, the audiologist told me I had the easiest ears she's ever made impressions on. Anyway, I have never had problems with fit on any univeral phone and the Sony's are no exception but hey, I'm easy.
post #683 of 3028

lelek45-

 

 

I agree something seems to be amiss regarding fit/compatibility with your ear canal shape, because you mention the FX700 is not as bright as you find the EX1000. I find them opposite in brightness. For me the FX700 was at times borderline too much to bear, and now I find the EX1000 quite a bit mellower with harshness/brightness (but they can be a touch bright when it's present in music-- they don't smooth things over unnaturally like the IE8's did). 

 

Interesting how one phone will work for certain owners and not others. I hope you land on some sort of tip configuration that winds up working for you and allows you to enjoy them at their fullest. They can be quite amazing, and non-IEM-like. Keep posting updates, or asking further questions to get the best fit. 

 

post #684 of 3028
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I have Indoor Games both on CD & 192kbps (VBR, AAC file). Even the 192 file sounds better than the YouTube link you posted, which doesn't sound all that bad, but vocals don't sound quite right, either. The 192 file I have sounds perfectly fine with the EX1000s with no hint (to these ears) of sibilance. I prefer this song with the EX1000s over my custom ES3X.

 

Karmacoma does sound quite sibilant with the EX1000s, but all I can say is I think it is more the result of how the vocals were recorded because the rest of the instruments that produce higher frequencies sound fine, not bright or piercing at all. With my ES3X, which is a more 'forgiving'/warmer phone than the EX1000, sibilance is a lot less apparent and it sounds almost fine, yes, but at the expense of losing a bit on upper mids & treble quality & detail retrieval with other instruments. With this particular song I prefer my custom ES3X. Perhaps you also prefer this warmer type of sound presentation. I definitely would if most of my music sounded like this, but it doesn't.

 


 

 

OK, thank you for confirmation! I obviously tested with lossless versions with the same result. 

 

While first track is "just" sibilant, second is quite painful in the upper midrange and also very sibilant. I can listen to it only on very low volume.

 

It is probably seal issue. I will continue working on this…. Or I just need to stick with dark phones (like IE8 - they are almost perfect).

 

I almost don't have issues with classic music on these, BTW.

post #685 of 3028
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Something's wrong with either your fit or your phone. My EX1000 are definitely less bright than the RE0.


 

 

Thank you! Then it is definitely a seal issue. 

post #686 of 3028
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Originally Posted by lelek45 View Post

I'm Ok with "brighter", but it absolutely, insanely, bright. I don't even consider TF10 as bright. They are almost dark sounding (in a way I managed to fit them) I do consider treble of RE0 and GA1 and ER4P and F700 to bee too much for my taste, but I can tolerate easily all of them. But not EX1000. It is in another league of brightness :))

 

The fit is crazy on these. None of my tips worked until, after couple of hours of DIY, i created some compilation from two reversed tips. It didn't help sibilance, but midrange finally got a body, and bass became more pronounced. It is much more fun now.

 

Originally Posted by lelek45 View Post



OK, thank you for confirmation! I obviously tested with lossless versions with the same result. 

 

While first track is "just" sibilant, second is quite painful in the upper midrange and also very sibilant. I can listen to it only on very low volume.

 

It is probably seal issue. I will continue working on this…. Or I just need to stick with dark phones (like IE8 - they are almost perfect).

 

I almost don't have issues with classic music on these, BTW.

 

 

Yeah, like I said, I think it's either a fit issue or just plain dislike for the EX1000's sound sig, but saying you were OK with the TF10s tells me it's definitely a fit issue.
 
Of course there could always be an issue with one of the most sophisticated components of the EX1000s - the Equalizer (see below, second from the right).  ;)
 
 
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Edited by music_4321 - 6/27/11 at 9:11am
post #687 of 3028

Those are a really nice pair of head phones, Too bad I don't have enough money for any of them. 

post #688 of 3028
Thread Starter 

^ If you're on a budget, the EX600 for about $150 are better bang for buck than any of them, since they don't fall all too short of the EX1000.

post #689 of 3028

I thought this Equalizer

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Seriously though - has anyone tried/modded the EX1000 w/o the Equalizer?

post #690 of 3028

 

Got my EX600s this morning (European version with 2 cables). Will A/B both my EX1000 & EX600 and post my initial impressions later today or tomorrow.

 

Also got an original EX1000 spare cable - my EX1000 is the American version that comes with the EX600 cable - and will also check if there are any sonic differences between cables (which I very much doubt).

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