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^ Interesting.

 

I wonder how it works vice versa.

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I've been pushing those tips far back since day one, but I use Meelec M6 triflanges or Monster Triflanges. I also found that I get a much better seal wearing them straight down than over the ear lol..You're making my wallet cry Anax....You still find that you get a better seal with the 1000s than the 600s?

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Well now you've got me excited I ordered them. I don't have much experience with different cable materials but I should be getting the American version.
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Edit - Bad news.  The cable does make a difference to my ears.  The fatigue and peak is gone.  This is now the near perfect and best of all the universals I've heard.  If I had swapped the cables back in January I would have given these a gigantic thumbs up!  I can listen to these endlessly now and the balance and tonality is spot on.


I knew you'd come up with a brilliant explanation why you hated them then and love them now. wink.gif

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K, pumping the sonic juice through both today.  So far, the EX1000 loses out to the EX600 in nothing except perhaps one thing but more later on that.  When pushed the Ex600 is decidedly less refined, articulate and liquid.  Decidedly in the way I use it of course.  Instrument separation, imaging, micro detail, it's all much clearer and more refined on the 1000.  As suspected the bass comments from yesterday are off.  The 600 has nothing on the 1000 in the low end.  So yes the 600 is 95% of the 1000, in sound signature.  But in performance I feel its more like 75-85% depending on how you weight various aspects.  For me it's about 75%.  The 600 is still only two days old however, the 1000 is well run in.  

 
Now for the exception.  You might not like this but take it as you like.  I noticed the EX1000 sounded really good today w/ none of that splashiness and treble peak that was fatiguing me all the previous times.  I figured I got used to the sound or the drivers loosened up after a few days of exercise.  Dynamic drivers actually can return to a 'resting form' after much disuse btw.  There is supported research to this fact.  I looked down and remembered I had swapped the 600 and 1000 cables when playing with them.  I reverted them back and the issues I had w/ the ex1000 seemed to return.  Oh the fatigue!  Call it expectation bias or whatever but that's how it sounds to me.  I'm going to do more testing but so far I prefer the 1000 w/ the 600 cable which would be good being that I'm in the US we get the 'cheap' 600 cable on the 1000.
 
Edit - Bad news.  The cable does make a difference to my ears.  The fatigue and peak is gone.  This is now the near perfect and best of all the universals I've heard.  If I had swapped the cables back in January I would have given these a gigantic thumbs up!  I can listen to these endlessly now and the balance and tonality is spot on.  Time to wait for a sale or the 7550.  Unless something happens w/ burn-in the EX600 will be going back, not for me.
 
Testing done via DACPort > Arrow 4G default settings.  Both EX600 and EX1000 plugged into the dual output jacks of the Arrow simultaneously.  Same UE single flange silicone tips on both sets.
 
Note - I also tried dfkt's suggestion about pushing tips beyond the stopper on the nozzle.  Did so on both sets and worked out great.  Highly recommended.   
 

 

First, your bass comments were posted on the EX600 thread.  ;)

 

What you say about the cable is very interesting and though I'm very sceptical about cables making a difference in SQ, currently you have both cables, so I can't say you're wrong but I do have my own theories (though not worth wasting time speculating about them).

 

What I do know is that what I heard on the loaner set I had was basically the same (from memory, obviously) I'm hearing with my own EX1000s. What is true, though, is that the cheaper & thinner EX600 cable does have a better/ stronger strain relief at the jack.

 

I've just tried "pushing tips beyond the stopper on the nozzle" and it makes absolutely no difference SQ-wise in my ears. I've said a couple of times I've been very fortunate to get a perfect fit with the stock tips. If pushed, I'd say that pushing the tips further towards the housings might have caused a 'micro' loss in clarity in the high frequencies but I think that's more me trying to look for a difference in sound rather than there being one.

 

Don't know about whether "dynamic drivers actually can return to a 'resting form' after much disuse". I think in my case, after the first day with the loaner pair I had, my ears started 'digging' the sound sig of the EX1000s on the second day where I also tested a whole lot more recordings than in my initial listening session.

 

I still get that sparkle/brightness with the same recordings, and at higher volumes some of them can get a bit fatiguing, but those are few albums in my music library. For the most part the EX1000s (with both cables) were/are very impressive with a very large part of my music collection.

 

One thing I do find perhaps more interesting in your post, however, is the fact you've so far found the EX600 delivering around 75% the performance level of the EX1000s. One of the most astounding aspects of the EX1000s, in my view, is exactly that: how incredibly well they perform, and how, when pushed, they're effortless, not missing a beat, so to speak. Waiting for my own EX600 set, I've been wondering precisely about this particular aspect. I have to wonder if those other materials used in the driver & housings in the EX1000s do make a difference. Even if the difference came closer to 85% and not 75%, the EX1000s, for me, would be keepers - no doubt about that. I'm one of those who's prepared to pay a premium for such a 'small' difference. But I'd probably still recommend the EX600 over the EX1000s to the average HF'er.
 

 


Edited by music_4321 - 6/21/11 at 1:33pm
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You still find that you get a better seal with the 1000s than the 600s?


No, same.  It was a comfort thing more than seal issue before on the 600.  All fine now on both.

 

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I knew you'd come up with a brilliant explanation why you hated them then and love them now. wink.gif


I can always swap them back and hate them again if you like.  wink_face.gif  Nothing changes except the peak that was bothering me.  I have some theories but I'd have to break out my knife.  Whatcha think James?  tongue.gif

 

To be clear, if it's only one thing that causes your ears pain, gives you migraines or distracts you from the music, well, for that person it's a big deal.  Dealbreaker rather.


Edited by Anaxilus - 6/21/11 at 1:44pm
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And speaking of performance, here's an album I'd always found almost unlistenable with my ES3X, W4, UM3X, TF10, CK100 & IE8 - needless to say it was worse with the SE535s and worse still with the SM3s. The bass & drums have always been very hard to make out because this recording isn't very good - the whole thing is a bit of a mess, actually, almost like a good bootleg recording. This is an album recorded live in the studio. The album is Origin of Symmetry by Muse.
 
With the EX1000 this album is by no means perfect but it is very listenable AND enjoyable. How? No idea. The is the first phone I've used with this album where the bass & drums resemble, er, bass & drums. Quite surprised to discover some bass lines and drum parts I hadn't been able to notice before as the recording is subpar, which is quite odd for a 2001 release - perhaps it was intended to sound this way, who knows. This, strangely, is an album where the word performance can be applied to describe how the EX1000s manage to salvage an otherwise great album.

Edited by music_4321 - 6/22/11 at 5:45am
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I love Muse.  Their recordings do suck.  Like most stuff nowadays.  Unfortunately it's not even the worst out there.

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I've been meaning to check out some Muse after hearing a cover of them on American Idol. Which album would you two recommend checking out?
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Listening to some of their tunes on grooveshark.  Looks like I will be going on a buying spree.  Good stuff.

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Since the poodle talk has calmed a bit, I thought I'd show a picture of those highly trained attack ninja poodles I was talking about.

 

ninja-poodle.jpg

 

My St. Bernard (ex1000) will be here Thursday.


Edited by shotgunshane - 6/21/11 at 6:50pm
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Since the poodle talk has calmed a bit, I thought I'd show a picture of those highly trained attack ninja poodles I was talking about.

 

 

 

My St. Bernard (ex1000) will be here Thursday.


Hey did you ever get where-ever you're ordering from to match the price of that $350 someone posted a few pages back?

 

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