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[Review] Impressions of the Sony EX1000 versus the FX700, GR10 and e-Q5 - Page 30
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The decision is actually quite easy this time 'round.
A while ago I saw somewhere the EX600 uses the exact same new liquid crystal polymer 100-layer driver as the EX1000, other users have confirmed it sounds 95% the same (a tad more mids, a tad less soundstage), and Anaxilus is saying the ex1k is considerable in the $300-$400 price range.
I think that concludes the EX600 is highly considerable in the $150-$200 price range, I'm surprised Sony is even selling it that low under the initial RRP, and no I'm not being Sony fangay... I just bought the flagship Etymotic today!
Edited by kiteki - 6/16/11 at 5:51am
Another funny thing is I have seen two people wearing the Sony ex6c/ex1k here in Melbourne in the city, and that is weird because I never see people with high-end IEM's ever, I saw a guy with Denon D7000's on public transport once and that was pretty much it.
Okay, I've been having a listen to these for the past few days. Not too much different from my initial impressions in January. It's the best dynamic IEM I've heard next to the FX700 for sure and they both take different approaches. I definitely have a solid seal and fit after much tip play. Using some UE silicone single flanges pushed in as deep as possible w/ a nice solid, comfy seal. The best fit I've gotten from a 'Discus' IEM I've gotten yet. As great as it sounds my two main complaints still remain.
1-The bass is not as thin as I heard in January but it is a smidge under accurate quantity to my ears. It is not bass light at all, it's very good. Well extended, textured, present, detailed, impactful. Needs just a hair more body IMO. Really only a fraction. Nit picking here. If you listen to mostly acoustic you would prob never notice. Electronic and synth pop do better at revealing this.
2-Likewise the slight glare around 6-7khz. Using both my DACPort and 602 I can't get rid of the upper mid/lower treble splashiness. Snares, High hats, sometimes female vocals are just too much. The 602 does better as it does w/ the GR07 but it's still there. Once you notice it you can't really let go and it's all too apparent afterward. I'm beginning to think that both the GR07 and EX1000 were voiced w/ Asian languages in mind as this seems to be quite common wrt this target market.
For the original $600 I stand by my claim that I would not consider them. They would need to smooth out the upper freqs for my taste. The bass is more than adequate and rewarding. At $300-$400 they are definitely worthy of consideration. They easily compete w/ the likes of the FX700, 530, SM3 and surpass each in their own respective ways.
Are they as good as my IERM or ES5? Not in my opinion. Both are better balanced and more neutral. The IERM is much more oriented toward micro detail and clarity, recording accuracy and monitoring. The ES5 is more dynamic w/ more realistic life-like timbre and precise 3D imaging where instruments just appear in front of you. The mids are also more lush and everything is just more natural sounding. ES5 vocals and strings are to die for. The EX1000 does come close to the strings of the ES5 though. The EX1000 does beat the IERM in bass presentation by offering a more complete, coherent and extended sound but the IERM does come close to the EX1000 by offering a comparable full bodied low end presence that actually sounds a bit fuller but more mid bassy. The ES5's low end sounds thicker than both but less mid bassy with better impact than both but still loses to the EX1000 on extension and low end balance. Both the IERM and ES5 are more resolving except where the EX1000 can put it's 16mm driver to use. For example, on both it's much easier for me to tell if a song was mastered from analog tapes originally. From about 50hz on up they both beat the EX1000 in almost every way.
I'll be giving the EX1000 more ear time this week before they move on to their next destination.
Nice impressions, clear, concise and to the point. I take it your ES5s & UERMs will be up for sale pretty soon? ;)
As for the EX1000s being "voiced w/ Asian languages in mind", I really don't think that's the case, not only because they're also being marketed/sold in Europe & North America, but because they don't quite sound like that to these ears. If anything, that's something I'd say more about the CK10s and not the EX1000s.
What I do think is that the EX1000s really shine with good recordings & masterings - not necessarily having to be presented in lossless or high bitrate formats - and not so much (though still VERY good) with some of the more recent & brighter (read loudness wars) type of recordings & masterings aimed mostly at the mp3/iPod generation.
Edited by music_4321 - 6/16/11 at 6:04am
Oh, I have plenty of 24 bit Vinyl rips and most of my 80's pop is pre compression/loudness wars. A lot of it is mastered by Steve Hoffman too. I have quite the collection of extended dynamic range recordings. There is basically nothing I use for reviews wrt dynamic range recorded in the post 90's except maybe Satellites by Cowboy Junkies and some foreign acoustic material like Paco de Lucia. I also use a lot of binaural stuff from the Ultrasone demo disc as well.
I'm not sure what inadequacies in my comparison gave the impression I was listening to Oasis.
Since I'm hearing the spike again and from two different sources in such a way I never get from the IERM and ES5 I can't say the EX1000 is the more accurate phone amongst those to my ears, YMMV. If you can't hear any issues just be happy and enjoy your phones.
Well, I did hear some kind of spike when I A/B'd both W4 & EX1000 and that's what I first reported when I had a EX1000 loaner pair. I thought this spike might create listening fatigue - on 25th April I wrote:
Treble: Here's where at times I'm having a little trouble with with the Sonys. On some recordings the treble is very, very good (excellent even), on others it's a little bright, brighter than I like, and at higher volumes I know I'd get listening fatigue - it's not harsh, but brighter. Here's where I generally prefer the TF10s highs (from memory) and the W4's most of the time. On a couple of recordings the treble on the Sonys sounded a little grainy, only a little. I'm really nitpicking here as, on the whole, the Sony's overall sound presentation is very appealing, generally more exciting than the flatter (sort of) W4's presentation
However, on the second day I noticed that unlike the W3 & SE535 - 2 IEMs whose treble/upper mids ultimately I could not tolerate for longer listening sessions - the EX1000 allowed me to 'acclimate' to its brighter treble quite quickly and allow me to enjoy some of the music I had more than I did with the W4s and even the 'offending' recordings were never harsh, piercing and the grainy bits I heard on just 2/3 albums I noticed it was a result of the recording/mastering rather than the phone itself.
As is always the case, the EX1000's sound sig will not appeal to all, and on the first day with them I felt I wasn't going to get a pair myself. It was on the second day that I was sold, and after hearing quite a few more recordings with them I finally placed my order late that evening. The next two days with the loaner set only reinforced my purchasing decision.
Ten days later I got my own pair and now it's been over 5 weeks with them, and the treble, though still sounding a little bright on a couple of recordings, never gets fatiguing and with a A LOT more recordings it just delivers a very convincing & satisfying sound, more so than what I got from both the W4s & TF10s.
Of course, from all accounts the ES5s sounds like a great IEM and if I was considering getting a second set of customs - and I'm glad I'm not - the ES5 & the MG6Pro would be at the top of my list, though I have to admit that after 5 weeks with the EX1000s, I'd slightly favour the FS right now, but I'd still need to read a couple more impressions/reviews from reliable sources.
Maybe the MG6Pros should be your next purchase? ;)
Edited by music_4321 - 6/16/11 at 12:33pm
Interesting impressions @Anaxilus, perhaps you'd like the EX600 even better, since they seem to be a tad thicker in the lower (mid)range and slightly less present in the highs than the EX1000. Again going from memory, and I should better shut up before someone with both phones side by side proves me completely wrong, lol. Anyway, I don't hear any spikes on my EX600, so perhaps I'm either not listening for them hard enough, or age may simply be a blessing in this case.
On another note, yesterday I got my W4 back after quite some time and was honestly a bit shocked by how "small" they sounded in comparison to the EX600. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about their soundstage and I could easily tell that they're technically even more proficient than the Sonys, but... err, I hate to say it, they just sounded a bit like a poodle next to a full grown St. Bernard in comparison. Seems like I've been spoilt by a pair of €150 IEMs that are simply downright fun to listen to - not in the audiophile and rather derogatory sense of the word (since they're actually quite balanced). More like fun, as in feeling genuinely happy and content just to lean back and let them do their thing.
Of course this is all off topic, but then again (considering the EX600's kinship to the EX1000), maybe not.
I do have some EX600's on order. If they are what they've been cracked up to be I'll be keeping them most likely. I need a dynamic driver that's accurate and resolving enough to AB a wider range of gear with. Something w/o an impedance curve or crossovers.
@music. Don't forget, I have a set of Merlin demos coming. Probably over the Pacific as we speak. I do wish they had a 16mm polymer driver crammed inside though. We'll see.
Why not EX800st/EX7550s for those purposes? From what I could read from graphs, they have more bass than the EX600, closer to the EX1000s. Very similar midrange without as much of a 3-5k dip compared to the EX600s and a smoother treble than the other 2.
Mind linking all the graphs? Thx.
Let's not forget the graph of the EX700 that looks the same as the others and yet a lot of people hate it.
Seems like driver material and housing material play a significant role in sound signature that we can't see in an FR graph.
Anaxilus - I'd forgotten about your Merlin demos. While I'm curious about them, too, I'm even more curious about the MG6Pros & ES5s.
James444 - Interesting how you heard the W4s this time round. Perhaps you'll end up liking the EX600 more than the EX1000s. Not entirely joking, BTW.
Edited by music_4321 - 6/16/11 at 1:42pm
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